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« on: September 12, 2013, 09:02:58 AM »

So when I am with or around my uBPDw I am looking fo rways to be alone or do soemthing on my own which rarley ever happens.  But I can't tell her this as she sees it as not wanting to be with her... which to a certain level it is but not for the reasons she feels. Well maybe now they are but never used to be that way.

And onthe other hand when I am away I can't enjoy my time with me. I am so anxiety ridden I can't relax. I hover over my phone so I don't miss a text.  My head doesn't let me let go of the current topic of the last argument. I can't focus at work for mor ethan a few minutes to a hour at best. When I am at home I can't even watch tv before she gets home. I flip through channels worried that she will yell at me for what ever. Then the last 15 to 30 mins before she gets home I can't even sit still. Yesterday I found something that helped and that was working on refinsihing some old dressers. But that didn't stop me from constantly checking the phone for texts that never shown. I have the ringer on high yet I am so paranoid I will mis responding to her that I check the phone anyway.

Is this telling me I have had enough or is it jusy telling me I need more boundaries? Or both? Or neither? I know this for sure my blood pressure is probably off the charts at times. This is consuming more of my time and my thougts than it has ever done before. I am still being told its mine to fix and I am doing nothing about it. Maybe I  am not "doing anything" on purpose.
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2013, 11:09:22 AM »

Hi Cipher,

sounds very unhealthy and driven, so sorry to hear that!

In my opinion you need more time to take "care of yourself". We say this often here and sounds sometimes like a silly advise.

Having some times just for you, enjoying life, without phone or laptop- just doing something you like... .this may for each person different. Some are playing dart with friends or taking pictures at a special place, exercising, whatever.

Sounds like you are so used to be there for your wife, that you have to be patient and learning it in little steps... .Yes boundaries. Some time of your life is just for you. Not for work, not for obligation to be there for others. What do you think about it?

You said you are anxiety ridden, what are your fears?
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2013, 11:25:03 AM »

Thank you Surnia for replying.

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Sounds like you are so used to be there for your wife, that you have to be patient and learning it in little steps... .

  Yes I have from day 1 to inlcuding today. I have not been perfect but try my best to be there. I  have not been there for me. You may be right about this.  I have been so fucused elsewhere that I have to learn what I like and how to enjoy it on my own.

I have tried boundaries before. Any personal time or time away from my wife thoughs us a huge  Red flag/bad  (click to insert in post) for her it just makes things go crazy. So i just avoid it all together. I like the sound of "some time of your life is just for you. Not for work, not for obligation to be there for others".  I'm not allowed.

My anxieties are with fear of the next rage or aruement or comment. Which are now so frequent I come to expect them all the time.  I fear the most it never changing. If we stay together it won't ever get better only worse.  I also fear if we did split it not getting better either. Maybe even getting worse. Or during the splitting up process it being worse anyway.

Its so sickening that I can't even talk to her. And I'm the one that helped set it up that way by admiting to every little thing and taking any blame possible. I have a T session next week and this a topic I am planning on discussing.  I have ahd smal bouts of depression before and bounced back. This feels different. No bounce is left.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2013, 12:34:18 PM »

Cipher

I can so relate with your fear.

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My anxieties are with fear of the next rage or argument or comment.

In the last months of my marriage I went through chronic anxiety. When I went back from work to home on my bycicle it started, about 20 minutes before I reached home. It was so horrible. Now, without this anxiety I am so much better. Being constant under this kind of stress is so unhealthy.  :'(

Good you have a T appointment to discuss this further.  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2013, 12:40:25 PM »

Did you find it easier to get the anxiety under control after the marriage? I am trying to now but think it won't until after if that really happens. I wish I could go to T every week but I can't afford to and its an hours drive. I had a closer one (5 mins) but my wif didn't like that i wasn't being "fixed" the way she wanted. I was working on me and that change wasn't the change back to the old door mat me she wanted me to go back to.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2013, 01:07:54 PM »

My anxiety is gone since I am divorced. I have just the normal things like being nervous when I have to go to the dentist, this is nothing compared to the panic before. (Please don't generalize it.)

And yes, I went through similar things: I started to change and this made things much worser.

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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2013, 01:40:49 PM »

I know everyone is different and each situation is complelte different even if some things seem similar.  I just feel if the marriage was over some fo the things that add to the anxiety would no longer exist. It would still be up to me to contiune to work on me to help with new stresses that come from ending a relationsip. I at least am not naive enough to think that all my problems go away. After al lI spent years helping this situation become what it is. I may have to work for a while to get things right.  In the mean time I can work on that now as best I can and see what happens along the way.

I think physically I am ready to move on... mentally Iam in some of the FOG yet.
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2013, 02:14:48 PM »

I was in the same position as you. It's very debilitating and it weakens you. Any time taken out for yourself is considered a crime against the relationship. This is telling me that you need to build up your strength and move on.

The stresses of ending the relationship are indeed different but at least you are in control and you have the opportunity to reclaim your life to live it the way you choose. Just because you helped create the situation doesn't mean you can't choose to reject it now.  Hopefully your T can help you work it out. Good luck.
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2013, 05:59:10 AM »

This might be a bit long but I need to see where I went wrong in this. This is a text thread almost word of word... .I edited the nast words out sort of.  Thoughts as to how i could have handled it different or if I was handleing it ok?... .

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Her: I haven’t heard from you

Me: Oh sorry I’ve been trying to get these dressers done. I want to park the car in the garage before it snows.

Her: Well you didn’t say d**k to me.

Me: Sorry I was sanding. I didn’t think it was so late.

Her: Ok and you still aren’t saying anything.

Me. Ik sorry sidetracked by what I’m doing

Her: Yeah right thanks.

Me: I’m trying to work on these sorry.

Her: And ignore me.

Me: I’m not ignoring you.

Her: You haven’t talked to me.

Me: What would you like for dinner?

Her: FYI I’m pissed with you for again not communicating with me about what you were doing all afternoon.

Me: I was working til 3. The after I got home took the dogs out, then started on the dressers and have been doing that since.

Her: You continue to prove without a doubt that I can’t trust you.

Me: So what did I do that was wrong?

Her; YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED TO COMMUNICATE S***T TO ME AND YOU AREN’T.

Me: I am its just been longer between due to the work I am doing.

Her: Are you f****g kidding me you didn’t think f***g tell me what you had been doing until 10 mins ago.

Me:  oh crap. You are right sorry.

Her: We just f***g fought about this 2 days ago for s**t sake.

Me: Ik I started sanding and got side tracked.

Her: Nice. You give me no confidence in you whatsoever  that you will f***g change this behavior.

Me: I’m sorry I wasn’t texting every 10 mins.

Her: And whats worse is you don’t even THINK to do what has been asked of you about communicating what you plan to do. I DIN’T F****G ASK YOU TO F**G TEXT ME EVERY 10 MINS I ASKED YOU TO F** TELL ME WHAT YOU ARE DOING!

Me: Sorry

Her: Yeah like I believe that.

Me: I am sorry when you didn’t text me I didn’t stop being in the groove so I forgot about it. I am sorry.

Her: You should have told me what you were going to be doing before you f**g started! And I suppose that you don’t see that you have done anything wrong?

Me: What I am doing isn’t wrong. But yes I should have text you and for that I am sorry I did not.

Her: YOU NEED TO F***G STOP! I DIDN’T SAY WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS WRONG.  NOT F****G COMMUNICATING WITH ME IS THE CONTINUED F***G PROBLEM.

Me: I agree with you I should have communicated to you what I was doing.

Her: Gee I thought you were going to “try harder”  I thought you were going to follow though with the things you wrote as the “rules”  what a bunch of lies. Gosh why can’t I trust you I just can’t figure it out! You know why we haven’t worked past this s**t. Its because  of YOU!  That’s right look in the mirror. It has never been resolved because you don’t do what it takes to show that you can be trusted. Then you be an a—hole to me because you don’t follow through. Screw that.

Me: Ik you are upset. Im sorry I didn’t text you what I was doing.

Her: No you aren’t you will continue to do this same s**tYou reference the last thingI just sent to you which is exactly why you will continue to have the same argument. YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING

Me:  I’m sorry I made a mistake and didn’t text. Sorry

Her: You don’t f**g get it. You are not doing what needs to be done to show you can be trusted. Come on out the big picture together!

Me: I don’t understand?

Her: It means you wrote a bunch of s**t down we have a blow up argument and that you are not communicating and show that you can not be trusted and you continue to behave and do the same f**g things that we fought about!. You are the problem and then you blame me cause I’m pissed that you aren’t doing what you said you would and were told by T to f****g do.

Me: I see now. I get it. I’m sorry. I didn’t text like I should. I am sorry my behavior isn’t as good as  it needs to be yet. I will do better.

Her: Yet? This same s**t happened 2 days ago! You asked for specific examples and I provided them as you STILL can’t seem to get it!

Me: Honey I got caught up in the sanding. I’m sorry.

Her: Read that since you still don’t seem to f***g get it.

Me: I understand that. I just didn’t think. I figured I would sand and when I didn’t hear from you I forgot about it. But yes I should have text when I started, 100% absolutely correct.

Her: You resent me for behavior that you won’t change.

Me I do not resent you at all.

Her: You will NOT change this will always be a problem because of you.

Me: I can and will

Her: And I know you won’t you give me absolutely no reason to believe that it will.

Me: I will change I will be better

Her: You complain and say that it never been fixed  or addressed and I hate to tell you that is has. T has told you to communicate and show that you are being trustworthy now and years ago it hasn’t changed. Do you know why? It because YOU DON’T do those things.

Me: I am sorry I will do those things I know I haven’t been very good at that lately I will try harder to not let it happen anymore.

Her: I highly doubt it.

Me I will

Her: You said that same thing2 days ago. I don’t believe a damn word you say.

Me: I am sorry

Her: No you aren’t and I know that this is where our relationship with stay because of YOU and your refusal to do anything about it.

Me: I will make this better.

Her: Seriously if you are sick of hearing the same thing over and over why don’t you actually stop to think about why that is.

Me: You are right. Its up to me to make things right.

Her: And you won’t. 2 days and here we are again with the same crap.

Me: I will

Her: I don’t believe that.

Me: I will do better

Her: And of you can’t understand what that is then I suggest that you look back through the texts and really seriously reflect on this.

Me: I plan to do just that.

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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2013, 06:41:46 AM »

Cipher, STOP saying sorry.  The text exchange went on for way too long and got way too   You were sanding dressers.  It's okay.
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2013, 06:55:15 AM »

In the last months of my marriage I went through chronic anxiety. When I went back from work to home on my bycicle it started, about 20 minutes before I reached home. It was so horrible. Now, without this anxiety I am so much better. Being constant under this kind of stress is so unhealthy.  :'(

Early Monday Morning I got a phone call from my ex of 1 week.  The whole rest of the day I felt flustered.  The days where he would dysregulate I would be flustered and ineffective the whole day(s).  Forget trying to have a moment of peace for myself on those days.  My mind just couldn't do it.  To the outside world nobody knew so on a difficult day it was like the rest of the world was piling on.  

The ex before who was with him 17 years told me that upon driving up to the house she would see the front gate and it would remind her of prison gates.  That was a light bulb moment for me.  

She suffered(s) from depression and anxiety.  I have recently learned that she has taken Xanax for years and since she left my ex anti depression drugs as well.  

He called again on Wednesday.  In that conversation it became clear to me that the purpose of his call Monday was to defuse his "upset" by hurling it at me.  Blaming me and trying to convince me how my thinking is wrong. The old  pattern of  start an argument with you and "rant" so that he feels better.  I didn't pick up the gauntlet but it still flustered me now that I have so much peace in my life.  He poked at me similar to what he did when we were together.  I knew he had some difficult circumstances coming up but I did not know exactly when.  Monday was the day things went down.  At the same time he hedged his bet by also trying to change our history to make me feel like my thinking was wrong all along.  His actions were not really what I perceived.  An attempt to recycle. Then Wednesday he called to be a good friend to me.  The kind person I saw during the honeymoon stage.

All I see now is the cycle of abuse and manipulation.  By definition--Abuse is the improper usage or treatment of an entity, often to unfairly or improperly gain benefit.  What I feel I have experienced is Mind abuse.  

Mind abuse or mind control refers to a process in which a group or individual "systematically uses unethically manipulative methods to persuade others to conform to the wishes of the manipulator(s), often to the detriment of the person being manipulated".[49] The term has been applied to any tactic, psychological or otherwise, which can be seen as subverting an individual's sense of control over their own thinking, behavior, emotions or decision making.

I live in my own home and it's peaceful.  When I don't hear from him I'm content and generally peaceful and happy.  When he calls now I'm on eggshells.  I don't want to have to deal with him so I don't have the eggshell feeling.  The nice guy even scares me because I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.  And I think every time while I really like the nice guy I would rather not know him at all than have to deal with any of the drama or the feelings I get of false hope.  I have to constantly remind myself that it is FALSE.  I just know I can't live like that anymore.  And I see the patten so much more clearly by having removed myself from the drama and the triangle.  

When I read your (Cipher13) text thread it so reminds me of mind games. My exbf would leave me alone to do stuff as long as I wasn't home.  We didn't text.  But if I was home it was constant poking.  I suspect that's where the ex before me got the prison feeling.  She however was constantly called and texted to when she wasn't home.  So the mind abuse was established well before me.  I was just a new recipient after she left him. I thought we were overcoming it the last couple of years.  I had learned skills and we had some long periods of being at peace.

Interestingly they are still trauma bonded together.  Recently she developed a very serious health issue. I feel badly for her.  I don't want her to suffer.  She constantly needs help and he's the rescuer/great guy.  She never has to deal with the mean him any more.  I got/get the mean guy.  Hence stage right for me.


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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2013, 07:02:25 AM »

Cipher13-those text messages she was sending you were emotionally abusive.

You need to set a boundary here-either by replying ONCE and ignoring subsequent text messages or by ignoring all the text messages.

I agree with 123Phoebe-just delete the word "sorry" from your vocabulary altogether. You haven't done anything wrong so there's no need to apologize.

If you have to sand dressers etc, then that's what you have to do. It's not a good idea to go into JADE (Justify, Argue, Defend, Explain). There's a thread on JADE somewhere on the forum here-probably the workshop section I'm guessing?

Are you going to therapy by the way? If you are, then it might be a good idea to show the text messages to a therapist and ask for a professional opinion on this situation.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2013, 07:08:47 AM »

123Phoebe, eeyore, & musicfan42

Thnak you so much. Phoebe you are right I said I'm sorry too much. I have been trained to respond in some way to preven further outburst and thats the simplest thing I can thing to send. eeyore you story rings true and I will use to to further help myself thank you.  Musicfan42  I am in T and am going next week. I planned on bringing this. Thanks for the confidence boost. I never know if I am right in my feelingas since I'm being told I'm wrong. Its good to know I can trust my gut still. I don't mean to use others as a guage but its the only way I can make sure I am still sane sometimes

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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2013, 07:24:42 AM »

Cipher, i've been through the same, and received idential messages to what you've had. I ended up apologising, when i shouldn't have been. It's harder said than done. My messages used to get very abusive towards me.

For example, i was on a stag do, she tried calling me repeatedly. I didn't have my phone on me, when i returned, it had missed calls and text after text of abuse. I ended up apologising, when there was no need. I was on a stag do without my phone on me. The messages were along the lines of 'More interested in your weekend away than talking to me, i don't know why i bother, you're a rubbish boyfriend and an abosoloute pr*ck. I'm wanting to talk to you and you can even be bothered to call me etc etc'

Whats this JADE all about?
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2013, 07:53:37 AM »

JADE

Stands for Justify Argue Defend Explain.  Its more or less how not to communicate during these turmoils.  Basicall a list don't or things to avoid.  There are some treads and post about it on here. 
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2013, 08:02:42 AM »

Understanding JADE

https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=205038.0

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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2013, 08:11:27 AM »

Thank eeyore
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2013, 10:58:32 AM »

Hi Cipher

I agree with others, this conversation is far too long. Your wife is most of the time verbally abusive, I feel with you. This is really hard stuff, I guess you are going through this quite often. 

Her: I haven’t heard from you

Me: I can understand you feel alone right now. Its important for me today to get the dressers done. I want to park the car in the garage before it snows. I am back at ... .. I will stop texting now, to get my work done. Take care, honey.


Something like this. Could be that she is having extinction bursts and sending a lot of nasty texts. 

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2013, 12:06:44 PM »

I know I know I struggle with finding ways to curb these... The conversations are 100 times worse. Saying nothing or trying to end the discussion add to issue. I could have  just let her know in advance and maybe that would have prevented. Just there probably would have been somethig else then.
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2013, 01:21:05 PM »

Her: I haven’t heard from you

Me: Yes you are right you haven't heard from me.  I have been on a mission to finish the dressers.  It will take me at least _____ more hours.

Her: Well you didn’t say d**k to me.

Me: Yep I am very focused. I'm not capable of being able to talk right now.  I'll call you _____(time). 

Her:  I'm pissed

Me:  I heard you I need to ______ I'll call you at _____ bye. 

Assume Later

Her:  I'm still mad at you.  You didn't communicate with me.

You:  I hear you are still mad at me. 

Her:  You don't communicate with me.

You:  I hear you feel I don't communicate with you. 

Her:  explicative, explicative, _____

You:  I need a break from the cursing/yelling/finger pointing/whatever it is.  I am going _____hit.  I'll try to call and talk to you at _____hit (time).  We can talk when we are both calm. 

Keep repeating until you get the result.  Your boundary has to be set that you won't deal in circular arguments. 

Please if anyone has better suggestions that will help, offer them. 

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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2013, 01:32:29 PM »

Thanks that will help. i have attempted soemthing liek that before but it was in converstion and that doesn't seem to work or I give up too soon. With texting I can try to do that a little more with hopefully better results.

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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2013, 02:17:29 PM »

Hi Cipher13!

I agree with the others about this text conversation being too long and also really abusive. And I understand how frustrated you must be and want to commend you actually for not loosing it and let temper get the better of you... .That is tough! And in that regard you do well!

The saying I am sorry over and over is a bit of a problem though as some have pointed out... .

And what got me thinking is there is something problematic about the whole reason for this conversation in regards to this eleged promise or commitment you seem to have agreed to regarding telling her all the time what you do... .?

Now I know you guys are in some kind of couples counseling, right? And I remember you were writing down stuff to work on in your relationship... .But did you really agree to at all times letting her know exactly what you are doing, and if so... .why?

And how far does that promise go? Do you have to let her know if you are going to the bathroom too?

I know you are a guy with a huge heart and you are really trying here... .But part of making this work is actually creating "rules" and boundaries that you feel it is ok to commit to... .Not just giving in to her every whim... .

And the way I see it, giving in to these demands is setting you up for disaster all the time, since:

A: you cannot really live up to such a claim, it is impossible for any of us to be accountable all the time for what we do and send info on our every step to our partners... .It is bound to fail at one time or another... .And then- BAM your hit with an accusation that you cannot defend yourself at all against, since you have made "the promise". That the "promise" is impossible to fulfill wont count at that point... .

B: going along with such commitments creates a whole lot of opportunity for your partner to be able to bait you into argument and allow for her to blow off steam on you whenever she is having an anxiety attack or feels frustrated over whatever. It will create more problems than solutions... .

I ask you, was this really something you wanted to commit to? Or did you get cornered into it?

I can understand so far that if one have made plans with ones partner and for some reason or other need those plans changed, due to stuff we want to or need to do, then of course letting said partner know we need plans to change is important.

I can also understand that it can be "nice" at times to willingly tell a partner what we are going to do, just to make conversation or touch base. But it cannot be a trust issue! You are a trustworthy person whether or not you let her know at all times what you are doing. And she has to accept that, in order for anything to work... .

Now if you had a record of cheating every opportunity you got or did something else that from an objective perspective eroded the trust in the relationship, I could understand if it would take a bit of time to rebuild that trust, but ultimately that too needs to be the work of the person not trusting, not single handedly the work of the person not trusted... .

She is the one having problems with trust, that means she needs to work on her. You cannot do that for her. That is, as you hopefully see now just by reading your text conversation, you cannot make her trust you. She has to!

Again, I think down deep this is not about trusting you or not, this is about her BPD and her issues of trust in general. And her need for baiting and engaging you into argument, so she can get release and feel good about herself by making you feel bad and take the blame... .

This is not a healthy dynamic. And if you ask me, I think you need to re negotiate this deal... .

First of all any deal you commit to with her should not violate any of your boundaries. And becoming a slave to someone by constantly reassuring them and telling them what you do, and perhaps even adjust what you do according to her liking, is violating boundaries, that I think you should have! Smiling (click to insert in post)

I agree with Surnia here with her suggested text. That is an example of a healthy commitment. Not being secretive about what to do when asked, but at the same time counting on getting the space needed to do whatever it is you need or want to do!

Now I am not you, so I would never agree to any deal about telling a partner exactly what to do at all times... .To me a demand for that would be a deal breaker... .But I could commit to be open about what I do, if requested upon and as a part of a nice conversation... .However if the partner began to accuse me of not saying things fast enough or wanted to change what I was doing then that would to me be breaking my boundaries... .And I would disengage until said person had calmed down and could accept the fact that I am not a part of them... .But my own individual and need to be respected as such. At least on some level... .

Now, all you can do is set up boundaries that fit into your image of what is reasonable for you! But it is important that you do... .The problem is we cannot make other people comply with us if they are hellbent on not doing so. But then we have to allow them to take responsibility for their choices... .If she cannot live with you not reeling her every minute about whatever mundane thing you might be doing. Then that has to be allowed to be her choice... .If we give up on ourselves completely and allow whatever disordered and abusive thing they can come up with to go on, then what will be left of us in the end?

The thing is... .Since her need for these "rules" are disordered and unreasonable in the first place, and the true reasons for it is about her and her disorder. Then chances are she will still not be satisfied even if you would be able to commit 100% to this deal! Since then she would need to find something else to use to bait you into argument when she needs release from frustration... .And what then?

You are such a good hearted person, Cipher, and you do not deserve to be treated this way! That is a fact! The tough part is you will have to be the one doing the work in order for you to be able to create a functional boundary fort around you, either within or without this relationship... .It is tough choices... .But in the end we do have to look out for number one... .And your number one has to be you! 

Best Wishes

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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2013, 02:46:38 PM »

Thanks that will help. i have attempted soemthing liek that before but it was in converstion and that doesn't seem to work or I give up too soon. With texting I can try to do that a little more with hopefully better results.

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I don't like texting it's too impersonal. 
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2013, 05:58:50 AM »

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eleged promise or commitment you seem to have agreed to regarding telling her all the time what you do... .?  I think she is using what the T mentioned for me to do to touch base with her when I am going some place and finished to give her s sense of trust that I am doing what I am saying. However she is taking it to an extreme.

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Now I know you guys are in some kind of couples counseling, right? And I remember you were writing down stuff to work on in your relationship... .But did you really agree to at all times letting her know exactly what you are doing, and if so... .why? At the time it was a T suggestion. Then it turned into I just needed to do what she wanted to make this stop. I thought I was compleletey in the worng. Thats how she made it feel to me

And how far does that promise go? Do you have to let her know if you are going to the bathroom too? No not that far but it seems close.

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I ask you, was this really something you wanted to commit to? Or did you get cornered into it? At the time I thought I was completely wrong. over time I realized its getting worse and I'm not doing the horrible things she is claming I am. I have tried to re-negociate this "deal"... .i have gotten her to not be so focused on texting every 5 to 10 mins.  Thats about as far as I have been able to take it.

I am in T and in a couple weeks she is goin for a joint session. I have an apt this week. Of course this will be brought up. However she has no idea about this illness nor that it is discussed between T and myself. However the T has seen us on an off for several years and it has only been the last month or so that I have made it aware to T that I suspect BPD and have discussed the issues I have been having for the last several years... .I think T has suspected somethings but wasn't fully aware.  I have foudn out over this weekend that her sister who we know has had several issues to deal with openly accept and almost brags about being "crazy".  Its one thing to accept you have problems its another when you are trying to getting attention with it. She has made several inferenaces that the whole family is "nuts". My wife really really really take offence to that. I just wish she could really see what I see and I am sure others can at times as well.

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