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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: March 08, 2014, 04:55:03 PM »

In our situation, there still is no CO. uBPDbm insists that she take care of SD9 during the week (M-Th) and my SO take care of her during the weekends EVERY weekend. SO has told her time and again that this isn't a schedule that he wants. He wants two days during the week and every other weekend. SD9 is even getting annoyed because she never gets to spend a weekend with BPDmom.

Well SO doesn't receive phone calls from SD9 (even though he asks for them daily) and SD9 isn't completing her homework so about once a week we pick SD9 up from school to check up on her. BPDmom claims that we "steal" her days. We offer the weekends but she never takes them. We suspect it's because she wants to play "mom of the year" without actually doing the work and go out with friends/boyfriends on the weekend. If you tally it up, with her schedule she would spend about 12 waking hours with SD9 per week and we'd spend about 35.

My question is... . how is this going to look in court? Would the judge see through her claims and question why she never wants to spend the weekends with SD9? I would like opinions based on the judges you have come across.
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2014, 06:02:00 PM »

My question is... . how is this going to look in court? Would the judge see through her claims and question why she never wants to spend the weekends with SD9? I would like opinions based on the judges you have come across.

Judicial norms are different from state to state and even county to county. Is the judge going to see through her desire to have her weekends to herself? Maybe. But even so that doesn't mean the judge is going to care. If a judge feels it's in the best interests of the child to spend every weekend with her dad while mom has some time to herself then reasons why likely won't matter.

So, maybe it might help to re-frame the argument? Instead of fighting her to have only every other weekend, maybe the thing that makes sense is for dad to ask the court for time during the week. Document what happens with homework while the child is in her mother's care. Document anything that will help you make the case that it is in her best interests to spend some weeknights with dad. You obviously don't need to protect his weekend time as much because that's all she wants him to have anyway. Focus on what you want and why. Let her focus on what she wants and why. If it gets to court and she still doesn't want to have her daughter on weekends then you might end up with her every weekend and some week nights.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2014, 08:51:05 AM »

So, maybe it might help to re-frame the argument? Instead of fighting her to have only every other weekend, maybe the thing that makes sense is for dad to ask the court for time during the week. Document what happens with homework while the child is in her mother's care. Document anything that will help you make the case that it is in her best interests to spend some weeknights with dad. You obviously don't need to protect his weekend time as much because that's all she wants him to have anyway. Focus on what you want and why. Let her focus on what she wants and why. If it gets to court and she still doesn't want to have her daughter on weekends then you might end up with her every weekend and some week nights.

Nope has good insight.  Focus on why DH should have some weekdays and not on why his ex should take weekends.  (Except to show

Insight?  Mother may want the best of both worlds.  Weekends off to party or whatever, and all weekdays so she keeps majority time and get increased child support.  (DH should be careful when the topic of CS comes up.  He wants weekdays not to lower or avoid CS - avoid that stereotype - but because it's what his daughter needs.)

First, there is no CO yet, so all protests are just that, protests, not violations of any order.

Second, courts without exception see alternating weekends to have a proven track record.  Of course there are exceptions such as for those on required rotating schedules such as police, fire, medical care, etc.  Note that wanting every weekend off is not a typical demand made by a parent.

Third, courts generally want to see the parents involved with the child's life and that includes schoolwork especially if the other parent is not handling that well.

If school work is suffering - or even if it isn't - then a 2|2|5|5 schedule is a good one.  My son had that from age 6 to 11 starting from when I became the Residential Parent.  She had Mon|Tue and I had Wed|Thu (so I could ensure weekly work got done) and we alternated the 3 day weekends.  It continues during the summer according to our new schedule where I have the weekdays during the school year.  That recent change was because of the schoolwork, mother's behavior with the school and me and mother living outside the county.

It sound like your husband is asking or should be asking for a 2|2|5|5 equal-time schedule at a minimum.  There are advantages to either early weekdays or later weekdays, ponder which would work best for you.  I always preferred Wed|Thu, I was able to wrap up the week's homework at school and it gave me control heading into the weekend.

Is he also seeking to be Residential Parent?  In my area it's called "Residential Parent for School Purposes".  That's what I did.  I managed to get it because ex was looking bad heading into the trial and that was my #1 term to settle.  I told her I'm RP or else we walk in and start the trial.  Both lawyers insisted it didn't mean anything at all except for where the child attended school.  Guess what?  Mother has since moved twice, each time father away, I haven't moved at all.  More importantly, after continued conflicts with mother in the next several weeks, mostly about exchanges at the end of the school day, the school gave me as RP one day to enroll our kindergartner in my school district.  (My point, if I wasn't RP them her school would have been stuck with mother.  However, I was the new RP and the school soon dropped her like a hot potato 5 weeks before the school year ended.  Lawyers turned out to be so wrong in my case, RP was helpful (1) for son and (2) to give school reason to expose her behaviors.)

You can't force a parent to take the child if they don't want to, especially not a disordered parent.  Number One is for father to get his weekday days.  So just go ahead and start for a reasonably standard order such as the one mentioned here.  If she insists on weekends off, that's up to her but DH should stand firm for getting at least two weekdays to monitor homework to ensure D does well in school.  Judge may inform mother she doesn't have to take all her weekends but it has to be on the schedule?  As I wrote, no judge will force a parent to take a child.  Perhaps only give her 2 weekends per month, that means you've get the 5th weekend every two or three months.  Or one weekend per month.

I feel DH should walk out with at least 50% time and Residential Parent.  NO settlement should be for less.  Yes, the judge could order less, hopefully not, but DH shouldn't agree/settle for less.  For us, settlements are lousy half-measures that too often don't address the big issues.  Mother is likely torn between looking like MOTY (Mother of the Year) and having her adult/party life.  :)H shouldn't trigger her unnecessarily but perhaps could use that to his advantage.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2014, 12:05:41 PM »

He's been asking uBPDbm for a 2-2-5-5 plan for MONTHS but she won't agree. So instead I guess he tries to "force" the schedule by picking up SD9 during the week from school. uBPDbm complains that we "steal" her days and when he offers weekend time to make it up she refuses. I guess we just worry about what the judge will think, that we're the ones creating conflict with this supposed "agreed upon" schedule? Or just throw it all out and split it up 50/50. I know judges don't want to rock the "status quo", but in our situation there is no status quo except for what BM claims.

SO is thinking he wants to go for primary physical and educational decision making. We can take all the documentation (planner not being signed, hw not being completed, BM not attending conferences, making threats to pull her out of school... . ) and hope for the best.
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2014, 01:34:40 PM »

While you do want to have a strategy, plan well and build documentation over time of the things court would see as actionable or concerning, I have this motto too:

If you don't ask, you won't get it; if you do ask, you might get it.

Inaction or being timid aren't strategies.  He has just as much right to say No or This Way as bm does until there's an order.  Of course he has to be cautious not to create incidents where he looks bad, no physical contact, screaming or shouting at her.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2014, 12:47:05 PM »

Document a typical month. Details like time when awake, time when sleeping, school work not being done with the dates. Hit the judge over the head with the facts about what is best for the child. Decide what you think is best and support it with overwhelming factual evidence.

I am currently seeking more time during the school year because  our boys are doing 90% of their homework when with me. I have all of last year and this year with all the details on one piece of paper. I have all the supporting evidence, about two inches thick, in a nice neat pile. What I suspect will happen when we finally get to court (The hearing was scheduled for last Sept but ex has dragged this out as much as possible. She is running out of tricks.) My atty will present the one piece of paper with all the details and also the pile. The judge will not want to look at the pile and will hand both to ex. It will be up to ex to look through everything or just agree with the single paper. I've done this before and she has always just agreed without looking at the BIG pile. The single piece becomes evidence and it is what the judge is supposed to use as evidence since both parties agree. Ex knowsI tell the truth so she wouldn't contest it in front of the judge since that would make her look bad.

Another trick I have learned about my ex in court. When she is on the stand and is lying I will pick up some papers and look through them. I pick one out and slide it to my atty. It is blank. Ex sees what I am doing and immediatelychanges her story. I've done that twice and it worked both times.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2014, 11:19:04 AM »

We often say "document, document, document" here, but david makes a good point about having everything neat and well-organized.

Things move so quickly in court, and it costs a lot of money to have lawyers look at stuff. So document it, but also make it super easy for them to see what's there, what it all means. Advocate for your documentation.

I also quantified things for my lawyer. My ex is obsessive compulsive, and has sent over 10,000 emails over the past three years. I tallied up the emails and gave my lawyer a number she could use in court. I also created categories. One for excessive anger and name-calling, one for threats, one for stonewalling (this is one I underestimated, and one that my judge took a lot of interest in), and one conflict with third-party professionals, making it impossible for me to do what was best for S12.

Then I kept a log that detailed everything, my thoughts, or a record of what happened on any given day. I also use Gmail -- when I get an email from N/BPDx, I send it to my Google calendar and label it LEGAL. Then I print out a calendar agenda that neatly sorts everything into chronological order. Because this documentation process is tedious and time-consuming, so anything you can do to make it easier for you means you're more likely to do it.

I also printed everything out into a binder and make it easy for my lawyer to use. I created a table of contents so she could find everything. She ended up creating a smaller version of the one I gave her to use in court, but she didn't have to sort through everything to figure out what was there, she just used mine and then selected the best emails for evidence.
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