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« on: October 26, 2014, 12:57:21 PM »

So, my boyfriend and I broke up. We did not speak for three days after I found him again lying about his whereabouts.

After three days, I broke NC. I got a text from a strange website about him sending me money to mail his things back. It killed me. He usually calls and texts and apologizes. Not this time.

I told him I want to remain friends and we've been speaking. But, he's being so cold. I think he's already begun speaking too/seeing someone else.

We've "broken up" many times before, but they were never real break-ups such as this. Mostly all due to his lying and cheating. A few weeks ago, I caught him having a secret e-mail account as he was messaging women on Craigslist for pictures and such. I'm still dumbfounded. But, he apologized and cried his heart out. I kept it going. This most recent time, he told me he was at home, when he was in fact at an Italian restaurant with another women.

I guess my question is ... .why is he being so cold and should I continue to contact him?

It's not as if I want him back. I want him to care and show some concern.


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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2014, 01:31:09 PM »

I guess my point of this is: I don't know how to fight for something when he seems to have given up. I'm not sure what to do, but I feel like I don't have much of a choice at this point.

I think he's shameful of his own behavior and knows deep down that he'll continue this behavior. He's in therapy, but evidently it isn't working. I'm so torn. We've been together two years and it was amazing. He would've walked to the ends of the earth for me. Yet, on some level he's still selfish.

I don't want him to feel abandoned but he created situations in which I had no choice. Everything was perfect while I was living close to him. But, I graduate and came back home. So we've been doing long distance. In that time frame, he's been "cheating" on websites and there may be more that I don't know of.

I think after the Craigslist account he knew the relationship would never fully recover. I wish he could understand that if he built a pattern of trust, I would have begun to trust him and not felt so insecure.

I don't know how to handle him at this point. I always used to be in control and he would always run back. This time, it's like he's on to the next one. Although, she's a downgrade. Maybe she'll be less controlling and he'll be able to keep up his facade for a longer period of time. I don't understand how he turned the situation back onto me this morning. "I don't want to go through it again." Go through what? You cheated. You lied. Sure, I may have "mothered" you a bit. But, look where it got you. A complete 180 from the old person you used to be and much better off. I had faults. I'll admit that. But, I never would've handled them in such an immature manner. I didn't want to stop trying.

He has the emotional development of someone much younger, so how can I effectively communicate my feelings? Should I continue to try and keep the contact open or is that only leading him into the arms of another?

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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2014, 02:29:27 PM »

Hi there. I currently am and have been on several occasions in the past, in more or less the same predicament as you are. So believe me when i say I know the agony, pain and despair you're currently feeling and I'm sorry you're going through this. BUT after the years I've been on these boards I've come to learn and truly believe that the solutions and answers lie not with them but within ourselves and I wish for you to have the same epiphany. I'm currently reading 'codependent no more' in an effort to gain back control over my life and to answer your question I'd like to post an excerpt from it:

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We cannot control anyone’s compulsive behaviors—overeating, sexual, gambling—or any of their behaviors. We cannot (and have no business trying to) control anyone’s emotions, mind, or choices. We cannot control the outcome of events. We cannot control life. Some of us can barely control ourselves.

People ultimately do what they want to do. They feel how they want to feel (or how they are feeling); they think what they want to think; they do the things they believe they need to do; and they will change only when they are ready to change. It doesn’t matter if they’re wrong and we’re right. It doesn’t matter if they’re hurting themselves. It doesn’t matter that we could help them if they’d only listen to, and cooperate with, us. IT DOESN’T MATTER, DOESN’T MATTER, DOESN’T MATTER, DOESN’T MATTER.

We cannot change people. Any attempts to control them are a delusion as well as an illusion. People will either resist our efforts or redouble their efforts to prove we can’t control them. They may temporarily adapt to our demands, but the moment we turn our backs they will return to their natural state. Furthermore, people will punish us for making them do something they don’t want to do, or be something they don’t want to be. No amount of control will effect a permanent or desirable change in another person. We can sometimes do things that increase the probability that people will want to change, but we can’t even guarantee or control that.

And that’s the truth. It’s too bad. It’s sometimes hard to accept, especially if someone you love is hurting him- or herself and you. But that’s the way it is. The only person you can now or ever change is yourself. The only person that it is your business to control is yourself.

Detach. Surrender. Sometimes when we do that the result we have been waiting and hoping for happens quickly, almost miraculously. Sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it never happens. But you will benefit. You don’t have to stop caring or loving. You don’t have to tolerate abuse. You don’t have to abandon constructive problem-solving methods such as professional intervention. You only need to put your emotional, mental, spiritual, and physical hand back in your own pockets and leave things and people alone. Let them be. Make any decisions you need to make to take care of yourself, but don’t make them to control other people. Start taking care of yourself!

For each of us, there comes a time to let go. You will know when that time has come. When you have done all that you can do, it is time to detach. Deal with your feelings. Face your fears about losing control. Gain control of yourself and your responsibilities. Free others to be who they are. In so doing, you will set yourself free.

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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2014, 09:56:04 PM »

I guess my point of this is: I don't know how to fight for something when he seems to have given up. I'm not sure what to do, but I feel like I don't have much of a choice at this point.

You can't fight for them. It is a waste of energy. I have been pining for my husband and trying to get him to engage or something for years to no avail. I feel like I have been fighting a losing battle so I stopped the fight.

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I think he's shameful of his own behavior and knows deep down that he'll continue this behavior. He's in therapy, but evidently it isn't working. I'm so torn. We've been together two years and it was amazing. He would've walked to the ends of the earth for me. Yet, on some level he's still selfish.

Who knows what they think and feel. It really does not good to speculate. Therapy only works if the person genuinely wants to change and takes things seriously. Some people have been in therapy for years with little or no progress. It is like they go to have somebody to talk to and listen to them rather than do anything different.

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I don't want him to feel abandoned but he created situations in which I had no choice. Everything was perfect while I was living close to him. But, I graduate and came back home. So we've been doing long distance. In that time frame, he's been "cheating" on websites and there may be more that I don't know of.

At some point, you have to realize that they will feel abandoned no matter what you do. To them it is out of sight out of mind. If you are not there to give them constant attention and affection, they get sidetracked by other stuff.

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I think after the Craigslist account he knew the relationship would never fully recover. I wish he could understand that if he built a pattern of trust, I would have begun to trust him and not felt so insecure.

That is beyond their ability to understand. I have been with my husband for almost 18 years and he still doesn't grasp that concept that in order for me to trust him he has to be trustworthy. That means keeping his word in all that he does and if he is unable to keep his word it should be for a good reason. "I forgot" or "I didn't think about it" is not good enough. But, every time we went through those little cycles I would get upset and he would talk me out of being upset. He would promise me the moon and act like a whipped little puppy. He would act so blasted sorry and would be really eager to make things better. If I would push too hard, he would get upset and imply that I was being demanding. Now that it has been almost 18 years I tell him, "I have given you how much time and you haven't really made any real change." Oh, he will change for a while but he seems to slip back into old patterns after a bit.

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I don't know how to handle him at this point. I always used to be in control and he would always run back.

Relationships don't work when one person is control. It doesn't matter who it is. A relationship should be two people working together as partners.

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This time, it's like he's on to the next one. Although, she's a downgrade. Maybe she'll be less controlling and he'll be able to keep up his facade for a longer period of time. I don't understand how he turned the situation back onto me this morning. "I don't want to go through it again." Go through what? You cheated. You lied. Sure, I may have "mothered" you a bit. But, look where it got you. A complete 180 from the old person you used to be and much better off. I had faults. I'll admit that. But, I never would've handled them in such an immature manner. I didn't want to stop trying.

I don't quite know how my husband has managed to turn himself into the victim either. It is like he has forgotten the first 15 or 16 years together where I busted my butt trying to be the perfect wife. Now that I am fed up, he is acting like he doesn't understand what went wrong and why I am being so mean and thoughtless towards him.

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He has the emotional development of someone much younger, so how can I effectively communicate my feelings? Should I continue to try and keep the contact open or is that only leading him into the arms of another?

You can't effectively communicate your feelings. From my own experiences and from what I have read here, I don't think they are capable of understanding other people's feelings. They are too self centered. Only you can answer whether or not you want to keep the contact open. You need to read here and look through the lessons so that you will be a little bit more aware of the possible ramifications of keeping the contact open. As far as whether or not something will lead him into the arms of another, nobody knows. Heck, he probably doesn't know from one day to the next.
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2014, 07:44:49 AM »

Thank you for your response! I appreciate it!

I just feel so forgotten about and I'm finding it so difficult to let go. Everything reminds me of him and he's already focused on the next thing.

Even after everything, I still love him. We aren't together but I wish he was still fighting or at least showing me he cared.

It seems after I uncovered all the lies, he had no choice but to move onto the next one.

Nothing more I can do except move forward, I guess.
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2014, 09:02:20 AM »

Nothing more I can do except move forward, I guess.

Try NOT to guess - just be VERY SURE that, that is, what you really want to do.

Then - Go For It.

If you do - Try NOT to make the same mistakes twice. Check out the   

Good Luck

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2014, 10:45:28 AM »

It is. I don't have a choice. I refuse to beg someone to stay.

His mask is off. I caught him in so many lies in just three weeks and I don't think he can face them fully. I think he knows there is no going back.

I'm now the bad guy somehow and he's isn't making any contact.

I boxed up his things and will be mailing them Wednesday. If he doesn't care, then why should I?
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 05:37:28 AM »

If he doesn't care, then why should I?

Absolutely.


Also check out the Dating Board on this site. Some good advise there.



NEVER, make the same mistakes twice - if possible!

Good luck

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