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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: July 30, 2015, 07:34:00 AM »

Hello all. Everything came to a head last Friday when I picked up my girls up from my BPD ex wife. She was none too happy that I tried to implement strict boundaries the previous week and was fuming that she couldn't get a reaction from me. She ended up trying to punch me and started spitting on me while I was sitting in the car and called me every name under the sun all while the girls were present. I ended up calling in the police and making a report.  So went to my solicitor on Monday and they have got an emergency sitting in court for tomorrow morning seeking either full custody or whatever the judge will give me. My family and friends have been amazing and even her family have been backing me up but I cant help feeling that I may be over the top. However I acted on legal advice that if I was seen to do nothing then social services would step in. We have been separated for over two years but still she has this hold on me. I'm terrified about the process tomorrow and what she is going to try and say and do. I need this nightmare to end so I can start living again, and more importantly be a stable, normal and happy dad for my children. Any advice?
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2015, 09:08:13 AM »

Did you have the incident recorded? Ever since my DH started filming exchanges (and he made sure uBPDbm knew that he was), the conflict has calmed down. We've also made exchanges occur at the police station (they record the parking lot there anyway) so that she would be on better behavior. In our court order it states that neither party is supposed to get out of the car.

You did the right thing in filing a report and taking action. Don't be nervous. Just state your side clearly and what you would like to see for the future and why it would be beneficial for the children. Focus your argument that it is for the benefit of the kids and you could persuade the judge. If you state it like "She acted like a jerk so I should get full custody" then it could just sound like you're trying to get payback or something.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2015, 09:20:55 AM »

Did you have the incident recorded?

I'm past the majority of the conflict, so I was caught off guard when my ex raged at me on a phone call yesterday.  I have three old voice recorders I used from 2005 to 2013, both for documentation and self-protection.  I bought a newer, better model a couple months ago but guess what?  Yes, she caught me off guard and I didn't have any of them with me when she raged yesterday.  Argh!

When facing court or other action that will expose poor behaviors, many acting-out disordered people will make Denials and counterattack with Allegations to make you look worse than them.  So my question is whether you have documentation or witnesses for court of what she did?  Too often a court could retreat into claiming "I don't know what really happened so... ."  The fact you have a police report may help you get past the expected back and forth bickering perception in front of the judge.

Also, many courts give more weight to the parenting behaviors (and misbehaviors) than to the adult behaviors (how she interacts with you).  So even if her ranting and raging against you is acted upon, how much impact will it have on the parenting schedule or custody?

I separated and then divorced nearly 10 years ago.  Mother started out with the court's default preference despite her initially facing a Threat of DV charge.  Because the temp order was so favorable to her she delayed the divorce as much as she could.  In steps that took 2 to 3 years each, I went from (1) temp non-custodial alternate weekends to (2) shared custody and equal time to (3) full custody and equal time to (4) full custody and majority time during the school year.  The last change is where the court finally wrote in the decision what had been happening all along, "mother was disparaging the father in the presence of the child".

Though it was clear my ex was uncooperative, obstructive, oppositional and not sharing the child, every improvement had at least some, if not primary, focus on her parenting behaviors.  I believe you would do well to list all the issues with appropriate documentation but do give emphasis to how the children were exposed and impacted.  In general courts give the most attention to the children and too often couldn't care less about us.  Maybe it's different in your area or in this particular incident, so do report everything but also try to show how each incident can or did impact the children.  So often it is the 'children' that are the hot buttons for court, not very much us.

Also, the court may be inclined to let a single incident skate by with little more than a brief lecture or finger wagging.  Include other incidents too but be aware it will likely want to ignore older incidents as being 'stale' or too old to include.  But if you can present multiple incidents with the purpose of documenting a clear pattern of behaviors, that will be more actionable.

Do you have a log, diary or journal?  It's probably okay for you to refer to your documentation so you can make your incidents more credible.  Claims of "he always... ." or she always... ." without specifics of date, time, location, witnesses, etc are often viewed as exaggerated he-said, she-said and largely ignore.  So do include details, as time allows, it makes your account more credible.

Court may only schedule your hearing for a half hour or an hour so make your portion of the time count.  Start with the most important issues and incidents in case you run out of time to cover the various issues you want included.

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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2015, 06:36:23 PM »

It can be very rattling to appear in court, and I'm sending you a big hug that comes with a bubble of protection during adverse court proceedings 

My ex is a former trial attorney and I was so nervous appearing in court, I literally shook from nerves. Your solicitor will likely to much of the talking, as will the opposing solicitor. Judges seem to adopt a patronizing tone, as though everyone in their courtroom is a small child. Don't take it personally.

I found it was best to avoid eye contact with my ex. If you have to speak to her directly, look at her forehead or a spot just behind her. Do you have any family or a friend who might go with you? Someone you trust who has a calming influence?

This may sound goofy, but a colleague recommended I do a power pose in the bathroom for 2 minutes prior to my hearing. My colleague was a former attorney who did this herself prior to court. It's based on scientific evidence that your body language can influence how you feel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks-_Mh1QhMc

It did help me feel calmer in the hearings, although it could be that standing in the stall with my arms raised for 2 minutes made me loosen up 

If it helps any, you did the right thing to file a police report. When you don't establish boundaries, people escalate abusive behavior, and your daughters will benefit knowing that you had the courage to stand up to bullying behavior. It models for them that this is possible. Even if they love their mother, they know her behavior is wrong, and you can show them how to have boundaries too.

I'll be thinking about you tomorrow, hoping for the best, Davef. You're not alone, and we are here for you.

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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2015, 01:15:56 PM »

Hello all. Everything came to a head last Friday when I picked up my girls up from my BPD ex wife. She was none too happy that I tried to implement strict boundaries the previous week and was fuming that she couldn't get a reaction from me. She ended up trying to punch me and started spitting on me while I was sitting in the car and called me every name under the sun all while the girls were present. I ended up calling in the police and making a report.  So went to my solicitor on Monday and they have got an emergency sitting in court for tomorrow morning seeking either full custody or whatever the judge will give me. My family and friends have been amazing and even her family have been backing me up but I cant help feeling that I may be over the top. However I acted on legal advice that if I was seen to do nothing then social services would step in.

That is true. Even if you are a victim, letting your children be exposed to violence can signal that you are incapable of protecting your children. This was a very firm boundary, and you did the right thing. As lnl said, it also models correct behavior, even if the experience was traumatic at the time. You demonstrated that one, such behavior is unacceptable; two, that there is a right way to respond and that there is a system in place to protect all of you; and three, that you stood up to protect your children, even from their mother.

I see so many stories from people on the Coping and Healing Board where adult children of PD'd parents often seem to resent the passive parent more than the abusive one. Good for you. Please update on how it went.
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2015, 12:43:33 AM »

I know the feeling. I am with you too. You should be proud of yourself! I hope everything went well!
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2015, 06:32:51 PM »

Hi Davef. I hope it went well, looking forward to your hearing from you.
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