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« on: September 09, 2015, 02:18:13 PM »

Hi Everyone,

It has been quite a while since I have been on the boards. My MIL is undiagnosed BPD/NPD and my husband, me and our kids have been NC for almost 6 years.  We are considering visiting H's extended family in the next few months and need some advice on how best to have a drama-free visit (is there such a thing? Smiling (click to insert in post)  MIL lives out of state from her family and so do we.

During the 6 years, she has done some crazy things to try to re-establish contact and had her family members be her "flying monkeys" trying on her behalf as well. It's so obvious when people have been put up to it because they don't act like their normal selves... .

Every time we visit the extended family there is some family drama going on as well and we want to be able to have as nice a visit as possible and also have our two teenagers not feel stress on their vacation.

We are thinking of staying in a hotel so we have at least some personal space to decompress and will rent a car as well. 

How much notice should we give the family? The family has been known to "ambush" one another in the past when 2 people aren't on speaking terms and we don't want to even be put in a situation where we will have this happen to us. Do we just "surprise" the family and show up? Or do we tell one person that it's a "surprise" and have them not tell anyone else? 

What other things can we do to plan a good visit and what should we consider in our planning?  It's time to visit our family and I don't want to live in fear so need to carefully plan things to minimize drama and anxiety. Smiling (click to insert in post)  H and I have been to separate therapists and both have validated us that we did right by choosing NC with her. Thanks for any thoughts or advice you have.   Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2015, 04:06:00 PM »

Welcome back lessdramanow

You've been NC with your MIL for quite some time now. You are now considering visiting your husband's extended family. How would you describe your relationships with his extended family-members?

You've mentioned how your MIL has tried to re-establish contact through some of her family-members. Do you feel that any of those family-members realize/acknowledge that there might be something wrong with your MIL?

I understand your concerns about this visit. I'd say if you decide to go through with it, planning based on realistic expectations and setting (and enforcing/defending) firm boundaries will be crucial. I've selected some articles that I think can help you get ready for whatever might come your way:

Setting Boundaries and Setting Limits

COMMUNICATION: S.E.T. - Support, Empathy and Truth

COMMUNICATION: D.E.A.R.M.A.N. technique

We can't control what others do but we can control what we do ourselves. I hope these resources can be of some help to you
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2015, 12:47:23 AM »

Thank you Kwamina 

My husband's extended family members have been sweet and loving towards me, however they do their sister's bidding for her after she pressures them to. My MIL is the oldest sister of theirs.  Because of this, I am leery of the visit and feel like they'll be mostly normal but it'll be the "elephant in the room" type of thing most of the time. They will most likely want to enjoy time together but will probably make some type of comment or question about the NC and try to influence.  We cannot stop them from doing that but my husband and I are united in that we don't wish to discuss anything with anyone in his family about the NC. We respect their right to have a relationship with her and don't want to bring anyone into it. We just are so through with the drama that we wish to have our own enjoyable relationship with all of my husband's family, without discussion of my husband's mother at all.

Thanks so much for the articles you provided. All are helpful. My husband doesn't wish to take a soft approach with his family, just wants to say "we're not here to talk about her" if they bring the topic up about his mother.  He said he wants most of all to avoid having to be in the same room as her and being in that situation at all--doesn't want to be the cause of family drama. If it came down to it and someone told her of our visit and she was there he wishes to just get me and the children in the car and get out of there asap without talking to his mother.  My husband wishes to go during Thanksgiving since most of the family will be together.  His family knows there is something wrong with her, however they are all enmeshed tightly with her and all have some of their own dysfunction going on.  They usually treat my husband and me and the kids pretty well, it only gets weird/awkward when they do MIL's bidding.

I definitely feel nervous about it, especially that it's during the holidays. I like drama free holidays which are never possible in that side of the family. I understand my husband's wishes and want to support him. I think if we and the children agree that if the topic of MIL comes up, we say the same thing''we're not here to talk about her,".  He said if it comes up a second time we would then leave and go back to our hotel room or somewhere else away from the family.  My main worry is that his family will corner myself or the kids to try to pick our brain about the NC to see what info they can get or give. 

I wonder if our expectations are realistic and if our boundary plan is effective?  We expect that the extended family will treat us very well, and will make one attempt or two to try to bring up the NC and give their opinion.  We will follow through on saying we aren't there to discuss that and change the subject. If it gets brought up again we will excuse ourselves from the visit for that day.  My husband spent a lot of time with his aunts growing up and they treat him like their son, so I expect they will at least once try to bring it up.  His grandfather probably won't bring it up, and he definitely knows how she can be.  The other concern would just be that the family would tell her about our visit and try to get her there to reunite with us.  My husband doesn't wish to come unannounced so his family can have time to prepare for our visit, but doesn't want to give them 2 weeks' notice or more incase they would let his mom know and his mom would show up.  I would like to never have to see her face again, and neither does my husband or children.  The risk is that we can't control the extended family's behaviors, only our own.  She lives states away so I think if we gave 3-5 days notice, it would be enough that she wouldn't be there.

Can you please let me know your opinion of our plans?  I realize that we haven't really done work on the support and empathy and truth, and are pretty hard-nosed about it. It is because in the past one of his aunts tried to talk to us about my MIL and we did do SET with her and she didn't hold our trust in confidence. My MIL had heard words that had somewhere along the way gotten all twisted up and she was so angry with us.  After that, we felt betrayed and don't want to be in this situation with her again.  Since NC we get 2-3 attempts from her and her sisters or my BIL per year and we don't respond to any of the phone calls or emails in relation to MIL.  We do continue to stay in touch with extended family in our usual ways, sending cards, notes, and calling if it doesn't have to do with MIL.

The biggest reason we want to visit is because my husband's grandpa is getting older and we haven't seen him in so long. We want to see him, and his wife and have the kids spend time with him too.  We won't feel "on guard" with Grandpa because he never stirs up drama.  It will be nice to see the aunts and cousins and will only feel a bit on guard with the aunts and it won't be the whole time.

Do you have any thoughts, further advice or questions? Thank you so much for any more you can provide.  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2015, 08:05:59 AM »

Hi again lessdramanow,

Sometimes it is not about what we say, but more about what we don't say and determining if there is a need to respond at all. We have a workshop here about J.A.D.E. which stands for Justify, Argue, Defend, Explain. To help prevent yourself from getting dragged into circular arguments it helps to keep in mind the following: Don't J.A.D.E. as in don't justify, argue, defend or explain. Here's the link to the workshop:

COMMUNICATION: How to stop circular arguments

You rightly point out that you can't control what your extended family-members do. The thing you can control is what you do yourself, or in this case don't do by not J.A.D.E.-ing

Based on your past experiences I'd say your expectations are probably realistic. Yet you never know what will happen so my advice would be to focus less on what might happen (something you can't control) and again focus more on something you can control, your own behavior and preparation. When it comes to boundaries I think it's important to keep in mind that boundaries primarily are for protecting our own well-being. The other person might not respond positively to your setting and defending of boundaries, but that isn't something you can control. What you can control is your own responses and the ways you can assert yourself and defend your boundaries.

I hope this is of some help to you! Smiling (click to insert in post)

Take care
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2015, 05:33:51 PM »

Hi Kwamina,

  Thank you so much for your explanation about JADE and giving the link to the workshop.  I appreciate all of your advice and will focus on protecting our family's well-being and my husband and I will have a few discussions on how best to do that and have a united approach of what our boundaries are and what we will do to protect ourselves even if it makes others unhappy and even if they respond negatively.  We will protect ourselves and our children and it is comforting to know that we have been united since NC and have protected our boundaries 100% of the time the way we agreed we would. We will continue that on our visit.

You have been a tremendous help to us. Thank you so much. 

--lessdramanow
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