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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: November 15, 2017, 04:42:34 PM »

In my presence, my uBPD girlfriend mentioned to her older daughter that she'd be willing to allow our young child to live elsewhere and "visit" her.  She has mentioned more than once to me in a better frame of mind that this was an option.  She hadn't mentioned it in several months, since she started her latest round of silence with me.  Has anyone had this experience?  I'd take her up on it in a heartbeat and move back to my home state to be near my family so I could heal and keep our child safe.  I'd absolutely be willing to bring her out to visit her mom on a monthly basis if it allowed us the chance to escape the day to day misery.  Since she isn't communicating with me, I didn't pounce, but I'm wondering if this seems like a realistic possibility.  Sadly, I'm looking for any sign of optimism so I don't feel like I'm drowning.  I'd love to be able to approach her if she ever comes out of the current silence.
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2017, 09:57:59 AM »

I post mostly on the Family Law board.  That's where legal issues of separation and divorce are discussed and only members who are logged in can view those threads.  You can post there when you're ready to pursue the idea of becoming your child's primary parent.  BPD is a mood dysregulation Personality Disorder, that means her moods can change in the blink of an eye due to a perceived slight, trigger or trauma.  Even if you managed to get in a signed and notarized statement that she would agree to let your child live elsewhere with you, likely the court would require her to confirm it later in a court hearing.  In most cases it isn't easy to know in advance whether the person with BPD (pwBPD) will recant or confirm when the decision comes down to the wire.

Good that you've sought legal advice from a family law attorney.  Most attorneys aren't familiar with specific PDs.  They just call them crazy, unstable, high conflict, etc.  Part of the reason is that even the family courts generally avoid seeking a diagnostic label for problem parents and don't try to fix them, instead they stick to the behaviors and behavior patterns.  The difficulty is that much of the blaming, blame shifting, denials, chaos, instability, invalidation of the children, etc is not considered to rise to the level of being "actionable".  This is not to say you can't become the primary parent but there are hurdles because mothers often get default but unwritten preference.  Are you on your child's birth certificate?  If so then likely you wouldn't have to take a DNA test, well, unless she contests you're the father.  Stranger things have happened.

Also, be aware that not all lawyers are experienced enough to handle difficult cases.  You need someone more than a form filer and a hand holder.  You lawyer should be proactive to stand up for your needs but also very familiar with the court's way of handling such issues.  Hopefully she will be agreeable to your goals and the extra precautions turn out to be unnecessary but you still have to be well prepared if it turns out she's really spiteful and obstructive.

However, if you and your lawyer are aware of typical PD behaviors you can plan and strategize better.  You'll be able to make more informed and more confident decisions.  A good reference to inform yourself as well as the lawyer is the website www.HighConflictInstitute.com created by William Eddy.  He's a social worker, mediator, lawyer, writer and lecturer to family law professionals.  He has fabulous Cred.  He and Randi Kreger wrote "Splitting: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing Someone With Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder".  Is is among our most highly recommended books to read and study when pondering heading to court.

Your consultations with a lawyer are fully confidential.  You have a right to privacy.  You don't have to confess it under late night interrogations, no matter how guilty and obligated she tries to make you feel.  Yes, if you're trying to rescue a relationship sharing is required, but if it has failed then you do need to keep your resources, strategies and options confidential.
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2017, 06:21:47 PM »

Thank you for the feedback.  I reviewed the HCP website you recommended.  It was insightful.  I also plan on reading the book by Bill Eddy. 

A few questions I have are how do I make use of her undiagnosed BPD or HCP issues in court?  Could I, and how would I, be able to have her receive a psych evaluation?  Would my future lawyer be able to request it?  She's extremely manipulative and she's able to present herself in a positive light in front of others.  Myself, her two older children and her parents could definitely tell you what she's really like, but I'm terrified that if it's he said/she said she can convince most anyone she's the victim.  She lives her life as the victim of everything.  I'm definitely her longtime "target of blame" based on the HCP website.  Could she "win" a potential psych evaluation by being able to convince others she's in her right mind?  Thank you for any input.
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2017, 08:23:06 AM »

If you ask for her to undergo a psych eval, expect that the court could order it for both of you.  Are you okay with that?

Also, a psych eval does not dig deep into a person's parenting ability or parenting.  That's a Custody Evaluation which can take 4 to 12 months, sometimes even longer.  Mine was with a most excellent child psychologist, scheduled for 4 months but he had to add a month to translate responses on tests that my then-stbEx (an interpreter) wrote in her other language.

My ex and I were both required to get psych evals when we first separated and the lawyers were to share them with the court and each other.  I did mine, a couple hours with a graduate student from a local university hospital.  My report stated I had ANXIETY.  Ya think?  Well, clueless me, we shared it.  Uh oh, where was her report?  Crickets.  We never got it, don't even know if she even complied and submitted herself for an evaluation.  Looking back, I ought to have told my lawyer, "Announce that you have my report but don't hand it over until they are ready to EXCHANGE them."
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2017, 04:33:57 PM »

I'd be fine with being evaluated myself.  I'm sure they'd find that I still suffer from co-dependency issues, some depression and low self esteem due to her.  Would it look better or worse for me to seek treatment on my own?  Could it be spun that I'm proactively improving myself OR that I must have serious issues myself in the view of a judge? 

Regarding your anxiety, I don't know how anyone here could walk away unscathed from our various relationships. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2017, 12:32:36 AM »

The topic of counseling came up with my lawyer at the beginning of divorce, my then-stbEx having secretly started my son in counseling so she could find negative enablers.  He simply stated, "Courts love counseling."

Are you worried a court may look poorly on you if you have a counselor and your ex-spouse doesn't?  I doubt that, it would show that you're self-aware and willing to seek impartial, objective input.  Not to mention, you're doing it due to the dysfunction in the marriage relationship, not that you're the cause.  That could be used in your favor, that your ex is refusing meaningful counseling or therapy.

Frankly, my court did comment that my ex ought to get counseling but then also stated she may not be able to afford it and so didn't require it.  Huh?  I thought ObamaCare made the cost a non-issue?

Looking back, I had many worries and frets, so very concerned that I may look bad one way or another.  Actually, it was my ex that behaved so much worse.  And the court either glossed over it or studiously ignored it all.  You know that old Shakespeare play, it may be "much ado about nothing."
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