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Before you can make things better, you have to stop making them worse... Have you considered that being critical, judgmental, or invalidating toward the other parent, no matter what she or he just did will only make matters worse? Someone has to be do something. This means finding the motivation to stop making things worse, learning how to interrupt your own negative responses, body language, facial expressions, voice tone, and learning how to inhibit your urges to do things that you later realize are contributing to the tensions.
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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2018, 06:39:16 PM »


My purpose is not to beat your up for make you feel bad... .my purpose is to let you look at and examine parts of your life that perhaps are contributing to relationship trouble.

If you "needed to do something" to have us communicate... .that would be a place to start.

She gave you a written message that she wanted you to leave the card and gave you no indication at all that she wanted to see you in person (for whatever reason).

Knowing that (oh... I'll show her... .) you marched over and did the here it is... ooh I pulled it back... .here it is... .look into my eyes. 

Seriously... .did anything about her note she left you and the things she left you... .did anything at all indicate she wished to look into your eyes?

A potentially healthier thing (perhaps off the drama triangle) would be quick note or email.

"Hey... found the stuff and note under my desk.  I would like to chat before giving back the card.  Let me know what time works for you." (or something to that effect)

Then wait... .

Perhaps wait 1 month... .2 months... .whatever.

You've put the ball in her court... .live your life in the meantime.

Thoughts?

FF
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2018, 07:38:05 PM »

My purpose is not to beat your up for make you feel bad... .my purpose is to let you look at and examine parts of your life that perhaps are contributing to relationship trouble.

If you "needed to do something" to have us communicate... .that would be a place to start.

She gave you a written message that she wanted you to leave the card and gave you no indication at all that she wanted to see you in person (for whatever reason).

Knowing that (oh... I'll show her... .) you marched over and did the here it is... ooh I pulled it back... .here it is... .look into my eyes. 

Seriously... .did anything about her note she left you and the things she left you... .did anything at all indicate she wished to look into your eyes?

A potentially healthier thing (perhaps off the drama triangle) would be quick note or email.

"Hey... found the stuff and note under my desk.  I would like to chat before giving back the card.  Let me know what time works for you." (or something to that effect)

Then wait... .

Perhaps wait 1 month... .2 months... .whatever.

You've put the ball in her court... .live your life in the meantime.

Thoughts?

FF

Just so you know, I don't feel beaten up or bad over anything you say; never have, actually.  You have a very different perspective on things and I definitely give a lot of thought as to what you say.

I understand what you are saying about "marching over there"; I truly do.  That said, I really do not think there was any harm in doing that.

I wish I could show you this email that she sent earlier about this trip and just how far it goes in what she says to me; she makes it like I am running off to a brothel for a week.  I'm sorry, but it just makes no logical sense what she says about it. I know there are 100's of people on this board who have similar stories of just unbelievable non-sense from their spouses and significant others, as I read them, too; and the non-sensical part of so many of the BPD people's words and actions just make my jaw drop, and I'm still at that point in my own situation - I'm sorry, but it just continues to baffle me.  I'm still at the point of wondering "do they REALLY talk themselves into believing THIS is REALITY?", when clearly it is not?

You have always been very kind to me; I have and continue to appreciate it, and fully understand that you do have a different perspective on things than I do, and i value that.
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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2018, 07:42:01 PM »



I understand what you are saying about "marching over there"; I truly do.  That said, I really do not think there was any harm in doing that.
 

Perhaps it didn't harm.

Did it help? 

Again... .was there anything about the box of stuff or the note she left that indicated she wanted to have an in person interaction of ANY kind with you? 

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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2018, 07:11:28 AM »

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Well I did not just return the movie gift card when she asked; I took it over to her work area. I held it out, did not say a word, she said "oh, thank you" and reached out for it; I pulled it back and made her look me in my eyes.   I held it out and pulled it back again.  She said I will talk to you later.  I gave her the gift card and walked away to my work area.

This isn’t how adults behave. Is this normal for you? You seem pleased with yourself. Am I misreading?
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2018, 05:45:14 PM »

Perhaps it didn't harm.

Did it help? 

Again... .was there anything about the box of stuff or the note she left that indicated she wanted to have an in person interaction of ANY kind with you? 

FF

Yes. We communicated.  That helps, regardless of the content.  She and I have done the silent treatment in the past and it just is not productive.

Well, regardless of whether or not I go to Florida for a few days with my daughters, I exist, and GF was treated incredibly well up to and including last Monday; and my daughters have THE RIGHT to know, and I have to explain where GF is to my daughters as a result of all that happened, so I believe I am entitled and have the right on their behalf to obtain the proper explanation I need and, to be honest, I obtained the necessary information the last 2 days.  So we have communicated the last 2 days.  The silence I knew would return has returned and she knows the truth about everything that happened as to this trip and that I won't just let her bulldoze me, privately or publicly, and twist what happened into an ioda of this being my fault, and yes that is important to me, as this trip was and is a huge deal to my daughters.

So did I ":)O" anything to warrant not being physically seen?  Not CANCELLING another trip warrants not being seen by a Significant Other?  That's not ok with me.  At all, actually.  Reason and logic for choices are part of the equation to me, as these decisions relate to my kids and, yes, I am an adult.

I realize this is not the big picture type thinking you are getting it; with that all said, there will be more than enough time for silent reflection forthcoming.  I've just been reciting the facts that have happened in real time; there's not really a handbook on dealing with your new Significant Other has an ex who she still co-owns a residence with who has lung cancer surgery (I guess?) coming up soon which is causing the need for cancellation of a previously scheduled first "family" vacation together, initiated by the Significant Other on a date that really did not work for my kids but my kids made happen, and I promised them one way or the other this trip was happening.  In other words, this is "Crisis" mode at the moment, and I'm doing the best I can.

So yes I am absolutely involved in drama right now, that is for sure - yes, I am part of the Drama Triangle; do I contribute to the drama in any manner?  I suppose guilty as charged to some degree.  Are these circumstances nearly unprecedented?  Yes, in my life, they are.  I'm doing the best I can.  In time, yes, I hope to move closer to the middle of the Drama Triangle, and I do believe my opportunity to do so has now begun (this evening); i.e., the air has been sufficiently cleared for me to now begin that process and she and I will not be talking for multiple weeks is my prediction, not because of anger either.

Remember the real issue:  it's not about my trip; this is about her ex spouse recovering in that house she lives in, right there with her and her 15 year old.  The living together was a relationship "no-no"; me going on a trip with my kids for 5 days obviously pales in comparison to that living situation she is GOING to do, but just not coming straight and admitting to me.  This is a MAJOR "fork in the road" that actually has very little to do with notes and emails and ceramic dogs and Disney trips; the father of her 15 year old could die as a result of this, so this is about as heavy as it gets; this drama is a real situation.
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2018, 05:48:20 PM »

This isn’t how adults behave. Is this normal for you? You seem pleased with yourself. Am I misreading?

Yes, you are misreading; I'm not pleased with myself.  Nor am I pleased or proud to be a part of this entire situation.  But I am.

In any event, as mentioned above, things will now return to being VERY quiet, and will be that way for a significant period of time.
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2018, 06:41:25 PM »



Was there anything about the note or the box of stuff she left that indicated she wished to discuss anything with you?

Perhaps I missed the answer to this.

Listen... .my attempt is to help you here.  That you didn't like the relationship situation you are faced with... .

I have a number of ideas that I think will dramatically (ooh  ouch... yeah I went there) improve your life.

FF
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