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59rambler
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« on: November 09, 2013, 03:23:51 PM »



After reading the stories of other BPD DILs I had to join!  The stories were so similar to what our family has been going through for 10 years with our DIL.

After the latest blow up on Mother's Day I went to mental health websites and found BPD is likely the cause of DIL's bad behavior.

I have read up on BPD and it has helped me make some sense of the crazy way my DIL reacts.  I reread Valerie Poor's, Overcoming Borderline Personality Disorder after DIL lashes out at me.  It is upsetting when she accuses me of lying and not living up to promises (promises I never made).  She hates me, yet she doesn't know me; she has never asked me a single question about my beliefs, what's going on with my life or even a simple, "How are you?"

Our son has become a virtual stranger; he and DIL's mother defend DIL's outbursts and behavior.  Husband and I are not comfortable at son and DIL's house (we feel we are imposing as they never ask us over, we have to invite ourselves and they live 14 miles from us).  Visits to our house by son and DIL are once a year events and of short duration (although their cars can be seen parked in front of her mother's house up the street very frequently).

DIL did not want to see me after the blow up on Mother’s  Day.  We do not have happy family gatherings.  Son and DIL are indifferent to seeing us and although we can get them to come for Thanksgiving, we can’t make them converse and they sure aren’t happy so why do it?

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2013, 07:47:02 AM »

 Welcome

59rambler

I am so sorry to hear from you about your DIL and that you feel more and more distance between you and your soon. This is really not easy.

Good you found the courage to reach out for sharing and support!

Do they have children?

Please keep in touch, 59rambler!

Surnia

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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2013, 11:31:47 AM »

59rambler:

How I can relate to what you have written. Sadly, we are not alone.  I know how sad it is to have our son's be such strangers. In our case, DIL's parents are not English speakers and live in another country, so we don't have that added problem, like you do.  Sorry about that addition to the problem for you. This is what I just wrote in response to someone else's post regarding a DIL - I don't know if you saw it - and maybe it will help you to answer your question of what to do about Thanksgiving:

My DIL has BPD/N. In our case it has not turned out well, unlike Geekygirl.  In our case, one thing my brother said was "you just have to accept her." Let me tell you, WE HAVE TRIED, but she won't allow us to accept her. They lived just a couple of miles from us until June. She stopped communicating with us mid December 2012. He stopped communicating with us in January. Our son only talks to his father - no contact with me or his numerous siblings. Now they live 2 hours away. DIL has made it clear through son that she is "done with us all." And what, pray tell, are we supposed to do with that info?

This BPD "business" at times can be all consuming - depending on the flare ups and emotional hurt. I have read enough about BPD/N to know it IS VERY SERIOUS. It isn't a game. DH and I have even had to go to counseling to get a handle on this situation - to confirm WE are NOT the people with the problem. We had never gone to counseling before. So in addition to the emotional toll, add counseling sessions to the financial impact and time suck. After we showed counselor an e mail and explained what has happened, she had the situation pegged in a heartbeat.

Several years ago, before we knew better (lightbulb of BPD/N didn't go off for me until December 2012 - all those years before I thought we were just dealing with young people who needed some guidance) son felt we owed him money for something.  Super long story short, but based on the circumstances at the time, we said how much do you think we owe you? (We didn't want money to get in the way of our relationship - and his focus, he didn't need that distraction at that particular time.) His answer ... .are you ready ... .$5000. Yup - 5 THOUSAND. So, we wrote a check for 5000 and I vowed that will NEVER happen again. In reality, it was less than $300something (hundred) which he had actually previously given me permission to spend because it was spent on him for him (he was deployed and the money spent was on items we sent him. I kept receipts and kept track of EVERYTHING I sent him so I know the accurate dollar amount.) Fast forward to December of 2012, when I discover the situation is BPD and how these people often are horrible with money. That explains the $5000. That explains why they were mad we didn't offer up $$ over a different situation.  That helps to explain a lot of other things.

Once I realized what we were dealing with, it was an emotional game changer for me.  This article on Stockholm Syndrome and Relationships I found EXTREMELY helpful. What I liked about it is that it speaks more about my son and how he is forced to deal with the situation. I need to understand more of the WHY my SON behaves badly towards us - www.counsellingresource.com/lib/therapy/self-help/stockholm/4/

Because of the seriousness of BPD and son being so enmeshed, DH and I recently had our wills redone. IMHO, NO WAY, should people with BPD (or in our case our son be/c of his situation) be given ANY control over important things like finances or literally our life or death. Financial POA and Healthcare POA clearly name ourselves and two of our other children as alternates.

It's been years of apologies for things we never did. Them being mad at us if we didn't do what THEY wanted us to do, never mind the personal cost to us.  I'm tired of the very hurtful emails/text messages son sends on her behalf. First we did gifts - then those weren't good enough. So I switched to cash money. Then, he wrote and said he was going to give it back and he wanted gift items he gave us, back. IMHO, gifts are not takesies bakesies because you are mad at a person. Forget that business. Then DIL said said she was done with us, so I skipped her birthday and for son I donated money to an organization I know he supports. Then we got blasted for acknowledging his birthday but not hers. So ... .guess what is happening this Christmas ... .you guessed it. Nothing.

Thanksgiving and Christmas. They will not be invited to join us because of the boundaries THEY have set up. I am perfectly fine with that. When I learned about BPD, I realized why family gatherings don't go smooth with a BPD/N. She couldn't even handle a family gathering at 4th of July without pouting. Last December I realized I was going to have to come up with a plan to NOT have them join us on THE day of the event (Christmas, Thanksgiving, whatever) because those days had had a pattern of being absolutely ruined for the rest of us. But then, lo and behold, son said he wanted to be NC with us and she is "done with us all" so, I, thankfully didn't have to do the boundary setting - they did it for me!

I am not going to beg her to be in our life so I can add that craziness back into my life. It's been years of one thing or another ... .smooth sailing for a few months and the POW! Out of seemingly NO WHERE we get blasted. You just don't bounce back from that kind of emotional hurt. We all owe it to ourselves to have some normalcy in our life.  DH and I owe it to our children to not have DIL's BPD/N take over our lives so we can have healthy relationships with our other children and eventually the families they will have. Thank goodness they (son and DIL) have no children and I hope together they are not able to have any. If they do, nothing will change for us - it will just be like some friend of my son's had a baby. They will never allow us to be "regular" grandparents. Relationships with any grandchildren will be held hostage. Her parents live in Europe.

Since December there have been a few instances where I have been able to tell son I love him and we will always be there for him and that I am simply honoring his request for no contact because it has been made obvious, contact with me causes him A LOT of hassle. Don't get me wrong, I love my son and would love to have him back in our life ... .but I don't want that constant craziness ... .and I will be there for him when there is a need.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2013, 06:25:09 AM »

Wow double trouble could be my brother's wife. He was so isolated for so long that we wondered if she was drugging him (not kidding)  She left 9 months ago after pretty much destroyed him.  She has put everyone through hoops with her bull, lies, accusations and pursuit of money.  The lawyers bills are adding up real quick, the last mediation they had the cost $5,000 for the day due to her rants and insane drama and very little to show except he finally gets to see his son.  Of course all with her pulling strings, not following any rules and having to listen to her rants and insults.  At least she's not kicking him in the back anymore.

She is toxic and I have advised my brother to go into NO CONTACT mode and head directly to court.  Why pay for mediation when it serves no one but the lawyers.  Your son will wake up eventually, it took a long time before my brother filled me in completely.  He is like a war veteran now, muted, insecure (was always a shy introverted guy) but the abuse that he put up with for the sake of his special needs son puts him in the survivor class.  I wish you luck with your son but be prepared when it ends it doesn't always get better.  We are still dealing with this con artist and even if the lawyers know she's wacked you still have to go through the process and it's not for the faint of heart.  Accusations will fly, lucky for my bro the police didn't believe her accusations but she is still making his life hell and will continue to do so until he heals enough that it doesn't suck the life out of him.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 06:54:32 AM »

Good Morning, worriedsibling.

Yup ... .you made your point well - BPD is very serious stuff.  Like  you said ... ."not for the faint at heart."  One of my SILs said "she is just immature." I said "No. It's not an immaturity issue.  She has a serious mental health issue."

You said your brother is like a war veteran now. My son IS a war veteran which makes his situation worse - I'm not saying worse than your brother, but I mean worse for my son than if he wasn't a war veteran.  He already had PTSD and now has to wonder what hoops he has to jump through to keep her happy.  A daily adrenaline rush.  I know people say it will end eventually. I just wonder when. They have been married 6 years. He did just recently leave her ... .for a few hours.  She controls him.

The addition of children really complicate the whole thing, in so many ways.

I know my other children love their brother but the stress of it all is really hard - they too are honoring his request of NC with them.

You are a good sibling, WorriedSibling. Hugs to you.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2013, 07:05:34 AM »

This is the same story from my now ex DiL. We had 10 years of all the behaviours you all talk about. Rages, verbal, emotional and physical abuse, painting people black, refusing to do most households chores, refusing to work, not participating in family activities , lying about people and on and on it goes. Luckily for us our son did not   reject us.  Two years ago he could not take any more so he left. He was virtually destroyed. As said by Newbie it does not stop there her desire to be in control had made all mediation about childcare, property and financial arrangements an absolute nightmare and horror story. This site has helped our family learn ways to deal with this in a non confrontational manner, and learn ways to support him and our granddaughter. He is getting better but as said the problem will never go away until their daughter is financially independent and the need for communication is less.  I wish you luck, it does help to vent on this site and get advice as the general public do not get this horror story and it can be very lonely. Keep reading and asking, good luck.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2013, 12:11:18 AM »

Tis me again 59rambler and others, while I sound completely over it all (and I am) if you read some of the posts from the advisors re advice from some of the education on this site on how to communicate with the person with BPD, and your BPD loved one is receptive to this change in how you communicate, I understand you can change the whole dynamics of the relationship in a positive way. Unfortunately for all involved in our case 10 years is a long time and we didn't know the diagnosis (although I pleaded with her to get medical advice) until too late, so we are now picking up the pieces and putting out fires. I really wish I had known about this site before and we may have saved our ex DIL from continuing turmoil, freed our son from abuse and made a little girl's life much better and more stable than it continues to be. It is all worth a try though for all concerned including you.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2013, 09:09:07 AM »

BPD DIL's are not worth the calories burned by mom's and dad's of their husbands.

Their husbands are the weak sons that we raised and nurtured, but failed to instill the self-esteem (despite all the participation trophys, involvement in Indian Guides, Scouting, Drum and Bugle Corps etc.)  to not give up their lives to their twisted wives.

I say move on, they(our sons) will either regain their lives and return to ours or live on in hell walking on eggshells for the rest of their lives.

They(our sons) are adults, it is after all their choice.

Changing the dynamics of communication with these DIL's is fruitless. They lie in wait for the next attack and rage.
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