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« on: February 01, 2013, 07:47:19 AM »

OK, this might be is long since a lot has happened since I last posted.  Last post was that I had decided to bring dd15 home from short term intensive rtf.  We started having a lot of home visits both daily and overnight.  Every single time we brought her home and gave her a little bit of freedom she broke the rules.  She has no guilt about this or any desire to follow the rules.  Her words "you better get used to it because I'm a teenager and this is normal for teenagers".

During her last overnight visit (last Wednesday ... she spent the night and I took her back to rtf the next morning for school) she stayed up all night.  I woke up and around 7am I checked my computer monitoring software as we have had many many issues with her being in contact with strangers over the internet.  SpectorPro is the best most comprehensive computer monitoring software we could find and I highly recommend it!  It blocks websites, records all keystrokes, allows you access to their email, facebook page and anything else they don't want you to see.  DD is aware that we have this because our goal was to prevent her from being inappropriate on the computer.  Anyway, she sent some pics to someone I'd never heard of and I asked her who this guy was.  She turned and stomped her way upstairs and came back down with her overnight bag demanding that I take her back to rtf RIGHT NOW!  I told her no, we'll leave at 8am as planned.  She told me she was going to walk to the police station and tell them to take her to rtf.  I told her if she leaves the house I'll call the police and ask them to hold her at the station until 8am at which time I will swing by,  pick her up and take her to rtf.  She put her bags down and I suggested she use one of her coping skills to help her pass the time.  She went and got a notebook to journal.  I was like WOOT!  Win for mom!  After about 20 minutes she came and told me she wasn't feeling safe and was feeling like cutting.  I asked her which coping skill she would like to try and she said she wanted to listen to her ipod.  So she did and we left at 8am as planned.

So I'm all proud of myself.  I calmly and rationally handled a situation that at one time would have been a nightmare.  I took her back to rtf and got there in time for my 9am meeting with the director of short term rtf.  I told them about the situation with dd.  She did not appreciate my sense of humor because by this time I have all kinds of visions of dd stomping herself into the police station and demand that they take her where she wants to go like they are a taxi service.  That's not funny Mrs... .     That is oppositional defiant behavior and there is nothing funny about it.  Then she informed me that since I was refusing to work with the clinician (see all my stupid clinician posts to understand why) that my daughter was being released from the short term program and I could either take her home AMA or pursue long term placement.  We had to decide within 24 hours.

DH and I talked about it and at some point I went upstairs into my dd's room.  She knows I go in there and pick up her room when she's at rtf.  I do it because I miss her and usually feel closest to her in her room.  The notebook she was writing in was laying open on her bed and I went to put it away.  It was horrible.  I f'n hate that b and I hope that b dies and goes to hell and how dare that f'n b look at my private stuff.  OK I know she was f'n going to look but she has no f'n right to do it while i'm in the house.  It went on like that for 2 pages and then she said she didn't have anything else to write and was bored. Then we got a call from rtf saying that dd is stating that she took a razor blade from the house and lost it at school.  So definitely took the thinking out of thinking about long term

I let the rtf know our plans and they said we would have a meeting and tell her next (this) week.  We were supposed to have had a weekend visit last weekend and an overnight visit on Tuesday.  I asked that they be cancelled because she had no plans to follow expectations.  So there were numerous phone calls and reports about dd regarding physical threats towards me and my things  (i'm gonna hurt her/break her computer/cut up her clothes etc).  Yesterday, we had a clusterf**k meeting telling her about rtf.  I requested at least 5 times that my husband be called before hand because he was supposed to be on conference call when she was told.  They didn't do it.  They brought dd in WITH HER LUNCH!  (pizza and salad) and the idiot clinician just starts in "since you're not following expectations here or at home we've decided that you need long term residential care"   i'm thinking OMG you IDIOT!   Really?  Why would you just say it like that and why would you not take her food away first?   Well, I called it... .  first the salad gets flung on me.  Then she tries to AWOL and they call in numerous amounts of staff to keep her in/restrain her if needed and she comes back in the room and grabs the pizza and flings it right in my face.  (I imagine they would be shocked if they knew me and my cousin ended up laughing about how I didn't get a drink with my lunch)  They take her back out of the room and she comes storming back in scratching her arm and it is bleeding.  This is for you mom.  See what you make me do.  Does this make you happy?   I walked over to her and said... you're not hurting me by doing that. you're only hurting yourself  (I am so proud of myself for that.  It was hard and at one time I would have begged her not to do things like that).   Staff member said... .  this is not a healthy conversation and pulled her back out of the room.  It ended with her telling me that when she gets home she is going to make my life a living hell and the longer I leave her there the more hell she's going to make my life.

So there you go.  Didn't realize I would be writing a book.  Wow what a tough week.  DD called twice last night and I refused the calls.  I think I hit my weekly/monthly/lifetime limit of being told how much I'm hated.  One of the case managers I worked with in the past is giving me residential recommendations now that she is not officially working with me and we're just having lunch.
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2013, 10:12:17 AM »

WOW so sorry for you .  i have d almost 21 she was in rtc for 1 year she played them all she got out at 17 i wish i had better news for you  my d hates me also no matter what my fault i know they dont mean it due to there BPD but still hurts do what you have to do for yourself and god bless you   
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2013, 01:14:33 PM »

Wow crazedcrazyom what a rough week! I admire you for standing your ground with your daughter. It so very difficult especially when we know they are in so much pain and direct it at us after all its our fault right? Then to be invalidated by the staff telling you its not funny - this angers me and I had to stop and ask myself why - its not my dd? I realized I am angry for you... .  Don't they see your doing all you can? your hurting too? your very stressed out and there is only 2 things you can do: cry or laugh? Don't they realize how scared you are for your dd? How confusing it is to receive such backlash? It doesn't sound like it. They may be "professionals" and have found ways to distance themselves by being serious and clinical which is understandable - can't blame them for that as they have to deal with this and more. It could very well be a protective barrier for them and perhaps their way of getting you focused instead of caught in the moment?

No, its not funny although it is a huge stress reliever you desperately need right now - it is funny imagining the confusion coming from others though being caught off guard like you so often have been. The rtf see's it as being oppositional defiant ... .  however, I see it as trying to have some control - the more internally out of control my dd15 is, the bigger the need to control the environment - I see that now. In the past, I have had to stand my ground and try to deflect the guilt she hurdles my way - I have usually caved unable to deflect... .  you didn't and that is to be celebrated!

She is having such a hard time and it is extremely difficult to not take her threats and pain to heart... .  she can't blame herself as that would be admitting she is defective so she must blame someone and/or call it "normal". Unfortunately, that someone is you. Good for you putting further distance between you and her for now refusing her calls... .  for protecting yourself.  She may either be trying to control you more or has calmed down and wants to apologize - hard saying until you accept one but its on your terms not hers... .  I think you know this already - I am just confirming it for you so it may be easier to handle when the guilt comes flowing in. When you do may I suggest you tell her right off you love her with all your being, that you want to hear what she is saying to understand however you need to protect yourself so if she wants to continue to abuse you then you must end the call as it isn't really helping anyone just causing more misery if she can't do that now then maybe later? then stand your ground each and every time.

Take the time to nurture and love yourself especially now   

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 02:56:49 PM »

mggt,

I think if I leave her where she is now she will also sit in rtf for a year and just learn to play the system without getting any help.  I'm really hoping to get her moved as soon as I get the recommendations and check them out.

momontherun

I love that screen name!  Thank you for so much validation.  You're right.  I try so hard to handle the situations given and when it's over I can almost always find a way to laugh at things.  It's not at all that I don't take it seriously and  I don't even know why they'd think that I haven't been doing my best to help dd.  I'm going to give some thought to the control vs defiant theory, but my initial thought is that I do agree with rtf that she is being defiant. 
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2013, 03:13:46 PM »

crazed

I think it's a great coping mechanism that you can (at times) laugh at some of these situations we find ourselves in.  We're not laughing at our kids just laughing at life as we know it! 

 

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 03:37:58 PM »

Sometimes you do have to laugh and the professionals you are dealing with should've got that. Sometimes its so much about the BPD person that everyone elses feelings get ignored.

It sounds like you did an amazing job standing your ground and being calm and making things on your terms. It hurts so much when they talk about you like that.

I did smile when I read the bit about the police because my BPDson at 16 called the police on Us because I had to sit on him after he became physically threatening. When he didn't like the lecture he received from the female police officer, he told her he didn't want to talk to her anymore and could he please speak to her colleague who seemed less angry... .  yeah ... .  it was quite amusing in retrospect to see the expression on the officer's face and her sudden decision that our kid was unstable enough to need to face an overnight stay in the county mental health center.Smiling (click to insert in post)

So you keep smiling. Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2013, 11:36:54 PM »

You are so welcome - we need it too   The screen name yeah well it fits most times nonstop going  Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) Those questions are just the ones that came up while I "put myself in your shoes" - the same questions I felt when I felt invalidated at the hospital with the social worker though the P and T docs totally got it.

When my dd was called manipulative and willful by some of the nurses - I agreed as she knew what was expected of her, can behave appropriately, knew cause/effect etc. Then I started to learn more about emotional dysregulation, rejection sensitivity, impulsiveness etc. So to call her behavior such assumed her actions were intentional or deliberate implying she thought it through devising a scheme to get her way - to choose to act this way. We are often taught all of our behaviors are a choice... .  we can choose to do this or that. However, our ability to make choices assumes we know who we are, what we are in pursuit of etc. BPD's  lack this self identity - they are too impulsive... .  what they think they need they need right now -sometimes its a matter of life or death to them. Looking further into this... .  

When I hear those words now such as, defiant I envision a child getting ready to throw an object - you tell "him" not to yet "he" looks at you and does it anyway sometimes laughing asserting himself - pushing/testing limits to see what "he" can get away with and/or what your going to do about it. Each time a limit is reinforced, they learn security. Our BPD's live in a world with 24/7 emotional turmoil obliterating the security we laid out as a foundation for them using primitive defense mechanisms like a 4 yr old (splitting, denial, dissociation etc.) to make sense of the world around them, their thoughts and actions. They attempt to control their anxiety, their pain and their impulses to fit in... .  to be "normal" to be "happy". This creates a lot of fear, helplessness and more chaos.

Control is a natural reaction to those feelings. So they desperately try to control themselves as if they can achieve it then their lives will be better:  if only "I" could do this or that... .  this is very overwhelming on top of everything else they are going through and for someone with the inability to regulate their emotions its no wonder chaos ensues. They eventually stop trying to control themselves and learn to control their environment and/or others turning those racing thoughts to: if only "they" could do this or that... .  they are often rewarded now and then (intentional or not) reinforcing this. So this natural reaction becomes a need in the hope of obtaining the kind of security they crave latching onto it unable to as it can only be obtained by having a stable sense of self, a sense of belonging which stems directly from our thoughts which creates feelings which creates reality which creates actions.

Often times, a false sense of security develops from this control thinking they are doing good, feeling better etc which is just as much of an illusion as believing our car won't get damaged or broken into because its locked and in a lit up area. When that illusion gets pierced as it often does from time to time more anxiety is created creating more extreme thoughts and the need for more control... .  none of this is planned out in advance - its reactionary and we all do it from time to time. However, in BPD's like any other thing its more pronounce and extremely exaggerated. So while the behavior may seem defiant, willful or manipulative I really don't think it is.

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