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« on: May 26, 2013, 06:28:11 AM »

pwBPD "terminates" our long term relationship via text... . a text that contained many false allegations,distortions of the truth etc etc.Stated he hoped we would remain friendly but he required space.Previous to this he sent me several messages... . told me about the many woman that had pursued him,how I was the cause of all of the problems,I was the only bad thing in his life ... . blah blah blah.I have heard this all before.I try to cling to the fact that I know,despite my faults that I have been a good and loving partner to him.I didn't respond to his messages.

This morning he turns up.I thought he had come for some of his things.He started to chat to me as if nothing was the matter (?) and calmly told me that he had been out with my brother.I worked out that he had been having jolly drinks with my brother at the same time he was sending me messages.My brother told me he was happy and cheery all night.This annoys me.

Of course I waited for the switch to be flipped... . which it was when he realised I had made myself a coffee without asking him if he wanted one.And I got the following list of failings:

1)You are selfish and spiteful 2)You want to control everyone... . people think you are nice but it's just because you are manipulative 3) You have made me out to be unfaithful when you know I hate that ( this had never happened) 4) you have forced me into talking about things that I am not comfortable with (this has not happened) 5) You try and explain your point of view and you know that I can't handle that 6)You engage me in discussion... . no woman should do that 6) You deprived me of sex (lie)7)You have dragged this r/s out when it has been over for a while 8) We got friendly at the time of your birthday and you ruined it ( couldn't say how) 9) you bring things up from the past constantly (I don't)and the worst one ... . 10) you are just like my ex wife .His ex wife was violent to him,cheated on him and was very very controlling ( I know this from independent sources so know it to be the truth).Until this BPD hit I had reached the age of 40 with not so much as an argument with anyone... . and would never consider being violent towards anyone.Ever.

The worst part of it was that I could see that he had a genuine belief in what he was saying.I struggle to understand how he could have developed these views based only on times when I have tried to rectify misunderstandings.I am starting to question my own behaviour and sanity.I have tried very hard to accept the BPD and deal with it but I swear that EVERYTHING I have done has been wrong.I cannot understand why he twists things and lies... . because it's not like his interpretation of things makes him happy?And I know I have said this before... . but why is it just me?This is the hardest thing... . I cannot comprehend why just directed at me.I am shaking with frustration... . I feel like the more I put down to BPD the more I am "excusing" his horrible behaviour.No one in my life has ever treated me this way and it's hard not to feel self pitying when all you strive for is "normal" nothing special but just "normal".This is a man who worshipped me for years... . and now... . :'(

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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2013, 07:29:42 AM »

Okay, I think I can help answer some of your questions and give you a bit more insight into what is happening.

For starters, the symptoms of BPD manifest themselves most around the people who are most cared for by the person suffering with BPD. A lot of people struggle with understanding this part. People with BPD will often hurt the people they care about the most because those people have the capacity to hurt the pwBPD the most. Does that make sense? When someone with BPD truly cares about you, you're in a powerful position where they fear you will verify all of the negative things they feel about themselves while also hoping you will prove all of those beliefs wrong.

As much as someone with BPD wants intimacy and a real connection with someone, those things are very, very triggering to them. That should be understandable because inside of these people are feelings of being inferior and unworthy of love. If you truly felt like that, how comfortable would you be around someone who did love you? And would you trust that love when you "know" you're unworthy of it? You'd likely be worrisome that it's only a matter of time before they figure out how inferior you are and then leave you ... . like you're sure they will do because "everyone always does".

We have to remember that someone with BPD is highly skilled at wearing a mask and assuming different identities. So it really doesn't matter how they appear to someone else. In the case of yours looking "happy and cheery", it's doubtful that they really feel that way inside (unless they are dissociating).

With the conversation you had, I potentially see a couple of things:

1)You are selfish and spiteful

2)You want to control everyone... . people think you are nice but it's just because you are manipulative

3) You have made me out to be unfaithful when you know I hate that ( this had never happened)

These could be simple projections; things he feels about himself but are projecting onto you.


Other stuff you wrote (that they had said) appears like it could be projective identification. How that differs from a regular projection is that it causes the person whom these false beliefs are being projected upon to change their behaviors thus making the beliefs true,

Imagine, if you can, someone shouting and hounding you about how horrible, cruel, and mean you are. That you are abusive and have anger issues. And imagine they don't stop. They keep pushing and pushing and pushing until you actually are angry and then they say "See? You are exactly what I said" and they push some more until you do lash out at them in some abusive manner. That is projective identification.

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The worst part of it was that I could see that he had a genuine belief in what he was saying.I struggle to understand how he could have developed these views based only on times when I have tried to rectify misunderstandings.I am starting to question my own behaviour and sanity.

There are two BPD symptoms that may help you gain some perspective:

1. Dichotomous Thinking (All-or-nothing / Black & White thinking)

2. Lack of Object Constancy: The ability to perceive an object as unchanging even under different conditions of observation.

For someone with BPD, they often read each action of a person as if there were no prior context. You could have said the most loving, endearing thing to them an hour earlier but, in this particular moment, they were triggered by something and believe you might not love them at all.

The dichotomous thinking prevents them from seeing a range or spectrum. They don't understand that good people can do something they perceive as bad but still be good people.

When you combine the two, you have a thought of "this person is bad" with the inability to draw from memory those good experiences and grand perceptions of that same person. All you have is that current moment - which feels bad and dangerous.

So yes, he DID believe what he was saying because that was his "emotional reality". Often times someone with BPD will later realize, while emotionally regulated, that some of their thoughts were likely untrue and they then become over-run with shame for having such thoughts and treating someone else as if those thoughts were true. Some will apologize; many cannot - due to the shame involved and how that shame validates their own negative self-image.


I'm sure this is very difficult on him as well but BPD shouldn't excuse anything. Just because someone has a disorder, it doesn't mean they have a free pass to treat people poorly. It means they should be seeking help and learning more effective techniques to improve the quality of their lives and relationships.

Anything I wrote isn't an excuse for him. It's for you to understand it and hopefully be able to depersonalize some of it (which I know is hard to do).
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2013, 10:35:38 AM »

Thank you for your words Magick.I try so hard to understand but I just find it almost impossible not to take everything personally.It is difficult for me to maintain a facade in front of friends and family when all I want to do is breakdown and tell them the truth about what is happening.I know that this sounds selfish but I so wish that people could see his behaviour towards me and challenge him about it (something I just don't feel able to do).I don't know... . maybe I am just looking for someone to wave a magic wand... . silly really.I just struggle with the cruelty of it all.He is at a party tonight with mutual friends.I can't go as I am too upset.I know he will have a great time.It has got to the point that I am getting angry with people for not speaking up for me (even though very few know the truth).To the ones who do... . he is normal to them... . they are normal back.Makes me doubt my own sanity and the "loyalty" of some of my friends.His BPD is the hardest most hurtful most alienating thing I have ever experienced.

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2013, 11:01:31 AM »

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For starters, the symptoms of BPD manifest themselves most around the people who are most cared for by the person suffering with BPD.

A lot of people struggle with understanding this part.

People with BPD will often hurt the people they care about the most because those people have the capacity to hurt the pwBPD the most. Does that make sense?

When someone with BPD truly cares about you, you're in a powerful position where they fear you will verify all of the negative things they feel about themselves while also hoping you will prove all of those beliefs wrong.

This is what we all struggle with (I think).  We've been treated horribly by the pwBPD in our lives, but we often get little understanding from outsiders because all they ever see is someone who seems "normal" or at least not nearly as bad as they are with us. 

People have a tendency to think, "well, he's always been fine to me."  And, when they later hear from the pwBPD they'll often hear that their "Non" hurts them or is cruel to them and how deep their pain is. 

It makes us seem like liars. It becomes additional abuse. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2013, 12:44:54 PM »

Gosh you are so right... . I feel like I get no understanding from pwBPD nor any understanding from friends and family.He has made me out to be a liar and I feel unable to redress this as I feel unable to tell everyone what goes on behind closed doors.It's ironic... . I work with victims of domestic abuse... . sort out their issues,give advice, come home and live their story.I cannot tell you how much I hate BPD.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2013, 01:17:29 PM »

I feel that when you have a decent span of time to use as a reference towards the pwBPD, and they haven't made any real efforts to seek help and improve the situation, then you would be expecting someone to wave a magic wand because clearly that person isn't committed to improving the relationship (or themselves). That type of scenario is going to suck and it hurts a lot but when all of that finally fades, which it really does over time, it's easier to see that those relationships were never what we wanted and likely would have never gotten any better.

I guess I was fortunate in that my relationship was with a different type of person. The end result wasn't that much different and the heartache was likely the same as it is for everyone, but at least she was someone who was actively trying. I can relate to you both because prior to her ending it, she did tell her parents that I was often mean to her and made her feel terrible - the same parents who had told me just weeks earlier that they'd never seen her happier in her life. Of course, she was dysregulated and hiding the depression during that time so any efforts on my part to figure out what we could do or what was wrong were met with no assistance from her. And yet every attempt was rewarded with cryptic "are you trying to make me feel like this?" or "How can you be so mean?" style texts after I would go home. Text that as you have probably guessed, she would not respond to when I'd ask her to explain / or ask if she understood why I was just there trying to talk to her.

So I understand some of the feeling you both have with other people not connecting the dots or ever seeing the whole truth. I mean hell, here are parents who should see how polar opposite those two perceptions/emotions were and who should have known her long enough to see the behavioral patterns but did not (of course, they also helped cause her BPD so I'm expecting a bit too much from those two. Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)) Had she not jumped to a different guy within days, which many of our friends discovered on their own, I'm sure I'd have less people who realize something is odd about her behaviors.

It does get better though, and no differently than we expect (or hope) a pwBPD will make changes and improve things in their lives, we also have the option to make our own changes and improve things within our own lives. There will be memories, there may even be some left-over heartache, but I doubt any of this consumes the thoughts of future versions of ourselves who have made those changes. Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2013, 03:11:55 PM »

My pw BPD's parents know something is wrong but won't approach him.They tell me they are grateful that he has me to speak to (for that read shout abuse at).No one else is actually doing anything to help me.makes me bitter.But hey... . this is  what happens with BPD.
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