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« on: June 18, 2014, 03:20:15 AM »

I know my wife needs consistency with me and she says it herself but literally in the middle of her sentence tells me "you are a horrible human being" along with her favorite 4 letter words for me. All I can think is what the F?  She is in a rant tonight about divorce... . again.  She won't tell me tell leave if I just say I do the same things as her.  No apologies no amends just say your an A hole and we can start from there.  Again what the $@@&!  I used to be able to and there was a time in our marriage where I would say your right I'm wrong and even when that was said it was and is met with F you your not sorry.  You feel no guilt.   The projection here is insane!   I've been good for a while but tonight she has really got me pissed.   Right where she likes it so she can justify her abuse.   We can't even go out anywhere without everyone in the family running around saying and doing everything to keep her from exploding.  It's actually really sad.  I've really paid attention lately to my oldest child's interaction with her and it's like watching myself for the last 15 years.   It's like having a fourth child to constantly attend to.   Her needs overtake everyone's!   I am new to the blog but pretty well educated on Bpd.   I understand what is really happening.   I just have to vent here and there or I will literally go insane!
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2014, 03:38:15 AM »

Hi 3 children

When she is raging at you, can you walk away from her and enforce a time out?  I would try to do this with my BPDexbf, first of all by going into another room.  Some times this was enough to stop him from ranting at me, but other times (most of the time tbh)he would follow me wherever I went in the house so I would have to leave the house and go for a walk or to a coffee shop or something.  I knew he struggled with the ability to stop himself, so for my sanity, I had to remove myself temporarily from the situation.

Are you able to do this?  I understand you have children and so it might not be that simple, but if you can remove yourself even into another room or your yard/garden it might help a little.  Tell her you're not taking part in one way conversations where she just rages at you, therefore telling her what your boundary is about it, and then enforce that boundary by taking yourself somewhere away from her.

I really feel for you, having been through this myself I know how painful it is 
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2014, 08:54:22 AM »

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It's like having a fourth child to constantly attend to.   Her needs overtake everyone's!

Sorry, man.  This describes exactly how it was when I was married to my uBPDw.  And to this day she is still all about her and lives like she's in junior high school.  But, the good news is that now I get to provide a safe home for my kids that is no longer revolving all around mommy's ridiculous demands and selfish behavior.  My kids are hurt that the family is broken up, thinking back to more innocent days in their early childhood where it maybe "seemed" like all was good in the world, but in reality it was always broken.  No one person should have so much control over and demand so much allegiance from everyone in the home.  It just isn't right.

I second LittleLeft.  Is there a way you can walk away and take a time-out?  I mean... . you're well read on BPD, as you've said, so you know its just a game of hers?  So can you disenage or physically get out of there?  Or just refuse to argue and answer any of her accusations?  Call the police if she gets violent?

My ex would rage at me sometimes face-to-face but usually through terrible emails and text messages.  That was easier in some ways but it was still awful and filled you with this sense of dread to notice an email in your inbox from her.  To this day, I still get a pang of dread if I get an email from my ex.  In those cases, eventually I got to the point where I would stop reading once I realized it was one of her rants.  I knew there was ZERO point in indulging her insults and listening to her "point", because she wasn't trying to make a point -she was punishing.  It was not any more constructive than a 3 year old throwing a temper tantrum and expecting to be heard like an adult.  And then later, after she calmed down, she would ask me if I read her messages.  I would reply, "No."  And that would hurt her feelings and she would start attacking me for that.  You can't win.

So I finally decided I don't want to win... . and I don't care to play.  "Winning" would mean she finally stops and sees how she is behaving and maybe, just maybe, sees reality and how she is hurting everyone.  But it won't happen... . not really... . not ever.

I know it's hard... . but continue on the path of setting up a new leadership in the home where you lead by example that mommy's ridiculous behavior doesn't rule the roost.  Live by your values, your perceptions, your desire for what is and is not acceptable in your home... . and what will and will not be catered to.  That doesn't mean confrontation.  It means a refusal to play the game.  I never fight with my ex.  I just calmly accept the truth of what/who I'm up against, aware of what her game is like, and I just don't play the game with her any more.  But for me, I couldn't really effectively do that until I no longer cared about trying to maintain a relationship with her.  In other words, I was only fooling myself and dabbling about it until I actually ended the relationship.  After that, there was no more major threat.  The "gun" had been taken out of her hand, since the relationship was done, and I felt much more free to blaze a new trail out of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.  Hence, my nickname.
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2014, 10:18:11 AM »

I've really paid attention lately to my oldest child's interaction with her and it's like watching myself for the last 15 years.

We are getting there. The way she nags our son is sometimes intolerable, even I'm only sitting in the room not on the receiving end. He is only 8 and I don't see any defiance yet. Sometimes he protests "she doesn't listen". I know what you mean. Sometimes we make small mistakes and caused her small trouble. Then she just leash out on us. Initially it is very confusing how to handle this because we are wrong to start with. It take me some time to learn that such outrage is not appropriate because it is out of proportion to the issue. Also she fails to consider our explanations. That's the "she doesn't listen" part. Often these are only simple miscommunication, confusion or unintended accident. She make mistakes all the same and I never hold it against her. I know that one of my duty is to help my son to make sense of all this and build a healthy self identity.

It's like having a fourth child to constantly attend to.

Yes, many things we peach our kids are applicable to her too. When our young son whines she will try to calm him. She asked "do you want your toy? do you want some milk? do you want to play yourself?" He wouldn't response and just keep on whining. She get all frustrated and will told him "you have to say what you want! I can't give you what you want if don't say anything and just whine". That's exactly how I find her! She takes the role of the kid and I am the parent trying to calm her. There difference is the kids are cute even when they whine. But when she does that she is really nasty.

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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2014, 10:50:00 AM »

In many ways they're worse than a fourth child because with chidlren at least you can pull rank on them.  Based on what I've read she's using her anger and divorce-threat as a control tool.

What are her triggers?

Have you identified them? 

Is she physically or finanically abusing you?

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