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« on: September 05, 2014, 04:53:36 AM »

HELP... .for 8 months I've been living with Mr. Hyde.  He is mean, detatched, reckless, antagonistic and scary.  He was doing things with my infant that were dangerous like taping a pacifier to the baby's mouth, starting a bonfire with the baby, wrapping the baby in multiple blankets only leavia small opening for his face , dragging him on the floor on top of a blanket playing "choo choo" and on and on.  He has been threatening divorce since I was 6 months pregnant and after the baby was born his strange and scary behaviors got worse.  

I filed for divorce and was awarded temporary custody.  He was ordered to vacate the premise and have supervised visitation.  We are both going to have a psychological evaluation.

I set up a visitation for him and he sobbed and cried while he held our son.  When he talked he seemed truly remorseful and sincere.  He talked about how much he loved me.  He  was the man that I remember when I tried to get pregnant.  The man that I married.  Boy did I miss this man.  He's back.  

My head keeps reminding me that this is the same man that was so mean and scary.  The one who completely detached from me.  The one that emotionally and economically abused me and my older children from a previous marriage. He tells me he doesn't want to divorce. He wants to be a family.  He is so sorry... blah blah blah

I know its manipulation but it is so damn intoxicating.

Please help me find my backbone.  I can't go back and I need to assert my boundaries or he will keep slithering closer and closer.  He is restrained from coming into the marital home and I found him in our bed last night.  I said what are you doing here.  He said I thought you were sleeping at your dads. I said even if I was you can't come here.  He asked to see the baby.  I said no and after he left I filled out a police report.  His family keeps calling me wanting to see the baby despite my plea to give me time to let the dust settle.  I'm getting bombarded on all fronts and it is getting to me.

I need support and advice about how I can protect myself from this mental manipulation.  I actually considered working on things... .the only thing that's helping keep me straight is the fact that I have access to his email and I read the things he is saying to people which sound more like the man I remember.  Also my family will disown me if I went back with him.  They have been taken hostage as well.

Please help me stay strong.  How is it possible that I can question myself after all that I've been through.  :)on't I love myself... .help... .he is sucking me in again

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2014, 08:16:52 AM »

He is wrapping the FOG around you don't let him. My opinion is he knows he is in the wrong so he ramps up the manipulation . It's all a game to these people. In about the 2nd/ 3rd year of marriage I wanted out and divorced. H had said that would mean that he failed if I did that to him.  I see it now that he did not mean he failed at our r/s but divorce would hurt his power NP ego. He would loose his "win" his "I got one" (wife). 

Backbone smart that you filed a police report that he was in the house and that you didn't cave to the "I thought you were... ."   He broke the order and he justified it , why do you want to be with somebody like that?

Does he know you have access to his email? Prior to email, my x2bh would say something to someone knowing that person would say what he said to the person he actually wanted to get his point across.  So it gives the picture that he is sincere. (In the beginning h would tell me does this deliberately  because he liked mind games). So if he knows you can see his email... .

It OK to keep moving forward. 


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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2014, 08:18:37 AM »

He is restrained from coming into the marital home and I found him in our bed last night.  I said what are you doing here.  He said I thought you were sleeping at your dads.  I said even if I was you can't come here.  He asked to see the baby.  I said no and after he left I filled out a police report.

Did you get any indication the police might arrest him?  Good that you enforced the only real authority you have - the temporary court order.  When I started reading your post I feared I'd read that you let him right back into your life with his presence and multitude of promises.  Promises are worth their weight in packing peanuts, it's the actions over the long term that count and his actions promptly violated your boundary, however temporary the court order may be.

His family keeps calling me wanting to see the baby despite my plea to give me time to let the dust settle.  I'm getting bombarded on all fronts and it is getting to me.

Fortunately in your case - since you are are not an unreasonable obstructing parent - parents have strong rights and relatives have much weaker and in some places no rights.  You can assure them, as you no doubt already have, that you need time to let the dust settle and figure out how best to handle future contact.  They probably can't put any legal pressure on you, it's just emotional pressure.  Remember that.

I need support and advice about how I can protect myself from this mental manipulation.  I actually considered working on things... .the only thing that's helping keep me straight is the fact that I have access to his email and I read the things he is saying to people which sound more like the man I remember.  Also my family will disown me if I went back with him.  They have been taken hostage as well.

Please help me stay strong.  How is it possible that I can question myself after all that I've been through.  Don't I love myself... .help... .he is sucking me in again.

Frankly, we all have faced that.  I've been painted black for 9-10 years, separated for nearly 9 years, divorced for over 6 years and yet still I sometimes feel the tug wondering "What if she changes and wants to back together again?"  (Fortunately after all this time it is a brief and weak emotional tug.)  Everyone here would exclaim, "Huh?  What in the world are you thinking?"  But the fact is that we are emotional creatures, that's one one the things that separate us from robots, animals, plants and rocks.

Part of the answer is to build your support network.  Your supported are not in the middle of the relationship and can be objective (as in an outside-the-box perspective) and not overwhelmed by the repeated tugs of emotional manipulations.  Matt calls it a three-legged stool, you can't sit on a stool with less than 3 legs, right?  (1) Your family and trusted friends.  (2) Local professionals such as counselors, police and even your lawyer.  (3) Remote peer support such as here.

Another part of the answer is to keep your contact to the bare minimum.  You've already pondered and answered the issue of whether to continue the relationship.  The answer - wishing it wasn't so but "bpdfamily.com" (title of this site) - was a firm No.  Now that your decision has been made, don't go back and revisit it over and over again.  Doing so, second guessing yourself, would torture yourself needlessly and risk weakening your newly established boundaries.

Always keep in mind that there is only ONE way you can successfully go back... .IF AND ONLY IF your spouse stops Denial of his issues, gets into meaningful therapy, applies it meaningfully in his life and sticks with it long term.  It can't be done with a few visits for even a few months.  It must be long term, so he can prove by his actions he's well along on the Path to Recovery!  Without that, any reconciliation will put you back into the dysfunctional relationship all over again.  As I wrote above, promises mean absolutely nothing, actions over the long term are what count.

This disorder is most evident when people are in a close relationship.  Give it some space and boundaries, as you have now, and the behaviors don't seem so bad.  It's because of the distance and boundaries.  Get back together and it will restart the past behaviors, patterns and cycles.  Sad but true.

Side note, it sounds like he doesn't have good judgment at the least and in some cases is actually going too far.  Taping a pacifier to a weeks-old baby's mouth is Child Endangerment, though I am no professional.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2014, 09:37:05 AM »

I've been there.  And still am.  My exH hasn't actually physically harmed our kids, but did similar scary stuff.  They are toddlers.

The best defense against this stuff -- and I know how hard it is when the sweet puppy guy comes back -- is to reread your old journalist, listen to any tapes, and just remind yourself of that sweet baby and what happened.

He misses the fact that you took care of him and let him get away with this stuff.  Of course he wants to come back.  And of course you see the good side and feel sorry for him.

If he is committed, let him stay in counseling while you continue with supervised visitation.  I did not try to supervised and have regretted it since.  Every time I send my babies with him I get scared.  I've been convinced over time that nothing's going to happen... .unless he gets really really really triggered.  But you know?  I'm tired of being the one to have to manage him in that way.  It's too hard.  I'd rather have these kids safe.

The minute you give up supervised visitation, the behaviors will come back.

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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2014, 09:38:05 AM »

My exH's family has done stuff to manipulate me too.  It does get to you and you feel bad and guilty.  I know it.  It is best to not get wrapped up in it.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2014, 09:39:24 AM »

The psych eval is also good.  Hard to tell what it will show, but better to get one than not.
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2014, 09:40:03 AM »

Oh, what does it mean to start a bonfire with the baby? Weird.
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2014, 07:19:46 AM »

Thanks everyone for your support... .you are all so right about everything you shared.  It really helped me to put thi gs in the correct perspective.

I spoke to my attorney yesterday and I feel much better. 

I need to have rigid boundaries with this man... .period end of story

I need to cut off contact with him and use my attorney to communicate my wishes.

I need to continue to rely on my support system... .I loved the 3 legged chair analogy

I need to capitalize on the control I have at this moment... .it is the first time in 5 years that I have had it.  I tend to be more cooperative and willing to make concessions but I know there will be no reciprocity if I do so... .too bad so sad

Thanks again for sharing your experiences and your wisdom... .it helps to reinforce my boundaries and  keep me grounded.  It is also nice because I don't feel so alone in this. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2014, 09:50:01 AM »

yes, you are in a good position now but won't always be if you let it go.  be strong!

my husband did weird stuff with the baby like yours - nothing directly physically harmful.  i was always told courts wouldn't care unless it was physical.  how did you manage to get supervised visitation?
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2014, 01:09:15 PM »

I have a bad intuition.  I hope it is unfounded and fear that it is not.  It seems to me that you and your child are under real danger.  He may be dysregulated enough to kidnap the child and disappear or seriously harm you both.  It is not to say that he is a bad person... .it is to caution you against irrationality of mental disorders.

Please take some time and research self-protection techniques:  like, establishing a safety net, house alarm, video cameras front and back of the house, mace etc.

I am a DV survivor so perhaps I am over-reacting.  Yet, it is better to over react with regard to safety than under react.

God Bless.
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2014, 04:48:48 PM »

And please keep us posted... .  I really don't have much to add to what everyone here has said... .  but am worried for you.

I have seen my ex become very dysregulated and appear to have a psychotic break a few times.  It's only gotten worse the longer I've known him.  Do not be fooled by the Mr. Nice Guy Routine.  Read the book Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft... .   do not let him back into your heart. 

You have a baby to be strong for.  And I have to agree with what pallavirajsijnghani said below... .  establish self protection.  Be prepared. 
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2014, 06:33:50 PM »

Change the locks to the house. 

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His family keeps calling me wanting to see the baby despite my plea to give me time to let the dust settle.  I'm getting bombarded on all fronts and it is getting to me.

You might consider an email or text to his family members calling and again let them know that you need some time.  Then add their numbers to your reject list.   If they leave a voice mail, let your Dad listen to it. Ditto for text or email.

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