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Question: What is the greatest challenge facing you these days?
How to remain calm when my child rages and blames me - 0 (0%)
How to communicate with my child in a healthy way - 1 (9.1%)
How to hold my child accountable without damaging our relationship - 8 (72.7%)
Understanding why my child behaves as they do - 1 (9.1%)
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« on: February 09, 2015, 10:18:09 AM »

As parents to children with traits of BPD we are faced with numerous challenges.  With numerous challenges there are needs for numerous skills. 

How does one know where to begin? 

The first step is discerning what the immediate need is for you.

The second step is identifying which skill or skills you need to learn to meet that need.

The third step is learning and practicing that skill.

Let's get started.
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2015, 11:17:43 AM »

Good question.  I struggle most with how to set limits and consequences with my daughter.  I am/was a more authoritarian parent by nature and have had to drastically change my approach to how I get her to do her school work.  Me getting in her face directly about it was causing constant fights and drama.  After reading up on BPD and some things on this site, I changed my approach to be far less confrontational and it has helped a lot.  She bounces up and down in terms of function, but she is also taking much more initiative in her school work since I backed off.  She has also failed a class or two, but it has definitely lowered the emotional temperature in our home in a good way.

I do sometime feel like I let her get by with things that I would not tolerate in a nuerotypical child.
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2015, 11:45:19 AM »

I struggle with my reaction more then her decisions.  I so want to jump in and help, shield and tell her what she needs to do.  She seems to be getting stronger understanding to check her decisions.  They are not what I'd do.  She's working through them.

I have to stop reacting like I need to answer her right away weather it's her texts phone call or demand.
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2015, 12:11:57 PM »

I was surprised to see that other people had  identified the same issue as myself, it looks like this is something many of us need help with.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 12:57:44 AM »

Hold my child accountable without damaging the relationship.

These skills are needed in my connection with both my BPDDD28 and with my gd9 with ADHD and anxiety/PTSD. Gd9 has been in dh and my custody since an infant. Dd has been in/out of our lives and our home.

I was really surprised that the other skill areas are working for the most part with both my girls. I still lose it - esp with Gd. Transitions and getting things done try my patience and attempts at calmness in the face of this adversity!   I keep reminding myself that these are expected areas of resistance as I breath in/out-int/out-in/out -- usually three times is enough or I put myself in time-out (ie. have to go to the bathroom).

With DD there was a really really bad year - 2013. Her many probation violations (misdemeanors for DUI and harassment) and failing at rehab/treatment/therapy put her in jail most of 2014. This break, though I did maintain contact with her a gave her some financial support, was such a gift. My support network held me accountable for the skills and tools I was integrating into my day-to-day life and giving me lots of validation, love and care. Then I could put these into action with the safety from DD's anger. She also had a chance to be clean and sober and try out some self-reflection shared with me on her daily phone call of 15 minutes. If she was having a really bad day I invited her to call me for another 15 minutes.

She is still the same DD. Yet she is making some different choices, she is able to speak honestly with me about her needs, desires, conflicts (thinking>>feeling>>action -- wait do over; thinking>>feeling>>stop>>think again>>action. She puts effort into managing her anger and vengeful thoughts. Her current bf is 'teaching her' to be kinder to me and with him.

So I think maybe this challenge is in the process of changing too. When I can take care of my own needs - those prickly lifestyle choices, rest, time with caring friends, allowing my sense of humor to the surface... .

This will always be a challenging area -- hold myself accountable then I can communicate accountability to others in my life in ways they can hear me.

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 11:45:33 AM »

Every family has "house rules" also known as limits.  (Limits are not the same as boundaries.) One of those limits is being respectful to each other. When limits are pushed or violated conflict occurs. When we have no way to force compliance we often revert to threats or ultimatums that are damaging to the relationship and usually takes us where we really don't want to go.  

Effectively handling that conflict and even avoiding it all together is what we want to accomplish.  

Before we can begin to hold each other accountable for respecting limits we first need to be in a clear and balanced state of mind.  Like boundaries; limits need to be clearly understood in advance of expectations for compliance. Unlike boundaries; limit setting is a cooperative effort between all members of the family.  For a better understanding on setting limits please look this over: Communicating Boundaries and Limits

When a limit is pushed or violated by any family member accountability needs to take place.  Accountability doesn't always mean consequences decided upon and administered by us. Consequences often lead to power struggles.  We want to avoid power struggles if at all possible.  Threats and ultimatums (consequences) are invitations for high conflict, defiance, and melt downs. Consequences also place responsibility on us rather than the offender of the limits.

Accountability through awareness is often times the only consequence that we need to delve out. Keeping responsibility where it belongs requires us to allow our children (or other limit violators) the freedom to choose.  Understanding that our children with BPD traits need high levels of validation to feel understood and cared about we can first validate their desires, feelings, wants and needs.  Once they have been heard and understood we can communicate to them that they are pushing limits or violating limits (limits they had a part in setting). By using the S.E.T. format to communicate with our children (or others) we are more likely to be heard and they are more likely to feel understood.  To learn more about S.E.T. please click this link: Dont's React Respond with S.E.T.

Sometimes we can guide our children to make a different choice through asking validating questions.  If you have yet to master the art of validation I very highly recommend this resource: "I Don't Have to Make Everything All Better" by Gary and Joy Lundberg.


When we administer "punishment" or consequences we are sometimes placing ourselves in between our child and the natural consequences of their choices.  As a parent it is very very difficult to allow our children to fail and feel the pain of their choices... .and yet we need to allow this natural progression to occur.  We mustn't allow our fears to cause us to be over protective nor allow our children to go undisciplined. Not every poor decision our children make will result in life long tragic consequences. Let's stay in the moment and not become fortune tellers.

Has your family sat down together and decided on what limits to set?

If your child lives outside the home and is an adult boundaries take the place of limits.  Have you determined what your value based boundaries are and how you will enforce them?  For more information on boundaries please read use the link below:

Boundaries Living our Values


During times of potential high conflict can you be balanced enough to hold your child accountable through awareness and allow the natural consequences of their choices to be their teacher?  For more information on personal skills please use this link:



Triggering, Mindfulness and Wisemind


Where are you in this process?  Which skills will you need before you are able to hold your child accountable without damaging the relationship?

Let's work through some familiar situations.

Please post a situation that has occurred and you did not navigate well or a potentially upcoming situation that you would like to work through in advance with other members.

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2015, 10:24:49 AM »

This really links up for me to the thread about feeling guilty about thoughts and feelings-which I have been thinking about a lot.

I was posting about my difficulty in maintaining boundaries and my fear of triggering rage or self-destructive behavior-or general family arguments.

I feel as if I have been conditioned to be afraid and avoid conflict.

I had one reply which I found quite challenging-asking if I really loved someone would I call them out on unacceptable behavior.

This played on my mind as I have put a lot of work into detaching with love and stopping trying to fix things.

It is good to see this boundary setting linked to SET here-which is a style of communication I have been practicing.

Also not standing in the way of natural consequences.

My DD is an adult now and too old for artificial consequences from me-so I have been trying to get out of the middle of situations and let things take their course.

I would only intervene now in the case of risk to life.

There is a lot of "gold" in your post lbj and I will keep reading it carefully.

If I am honest the other thread upset me a bit because I questioned again whether I was letting my DD and other family members down.

I feel better after reading this as much of what you say is what I am striving for-even if not always getting it right.

The FOG still sometimes gets in the way.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2015, 10:43:50 AM »

This really links up for me to the thread about feeling guilty about thoughts and feelings-which I have been thinking about a lot.

I was posting about my difficulty in maintaining boundaries and my fear of triggering rage or self-destructive behavior-or general family arguments.

I feel as if I have been conditioned to be afraid and avoid conflict.

Is this fear from past experiences when your daughter was disregulated, raging and blaming or from your upbringing?


I had one reply which I found quite challenging-asking if I really loved someone would I call them out on unacceptable behavior.

This played on my mind as I have put a lot of work into detaching with love and stopping trying to fix things.

Does detaching with love and not taking responsibility for what is not our responsibility mean we don't show care and concern when we see someone we love making mistakes, working from their thinking errors, or behaving poorly?  It is how we show that care and concern without judgment, without offering to fix, and holding to our boundaries that is an attainable goal.

If I am honest the other thread upset me a bit because I questioned again whether I was letting my DD and other family members down.

I feel better after reading this as much of what you say is what I am striving for-even if not always getting it right.

The FOG still sometimes gets in the way.

It is important to have clarity on what we are responsible for lever.  It is our own behaviors, thoughts, non action/action, attitudes, beliefs that we are responsible for. 

The FOG is there... .that is why we need skills to be able to see clearly our way out at any given moment.

It is clear that you are working very diligently and thoughtfully to achieve a level of peace in your life lever!

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2015, 11:30:52 AM »

Trying my best!

The fear is from when my DD was very dis-regulated-overdosing (once almost a successful suicide) cutting her arms to shreds-threatening to jump off bridges-phoning me in the middle of the night-raging at me-hitting me setting family members against each other-distortion campaigns.

I have never fully posted the full tale.

She has done so well and so much is better but sometimes we are on the edge. She starts to try to pick an argument-tells an untruth, says a horrible thing about someone, tells me I never cared about her or supported her and I am TERRIFIED that it will all come back.

I am working on my own emotions so I can cope with this fear and respond helpfully.

The thought of calling her out on a difficult behavior is scary.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2015, 11:55:52 AM »

That is all very scary stuff lever!

It is how we hold them accountable (through awareness) that is helpful to them and self.

If we are concerned (not judgmental) about something they tell us they are planning to do we can make them aware of our concerns.  First we validate their feelings.  Then we can ask some validating questions that may or may not cause them to pause and change course.  Then we can express our hope that it all turns out well for them.

We have then been true to self by showing care and concern, we have held them accountable through awareness and closed with more care and concern.

We don't want to tell them what to do or tell them they are making a mistake especially if they are adults. 

We do what we can do and let go of the outcome... .it is outside of our control.

It is highly important to get a grip on ourselves and not operate from a place of paralyzing fear... .it is detrimental to our health as well as our relationships.

The term "calling someone out" carries a negative connotation in my mind.  Does it in yours?

If so... .Can you reframe this in your mind to be an act of care and concern?  What does it feel like now?

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2015, 12:10:32 PM »

It feels better  Smiling (click to insert in post)

Its what I am trying to do really and I have had a lot of help here in learning to regulate my own feelings.

Thank-you.

It is really the manner in which we hold someone accountable that is the important thing, "calling someone out" does have negative connotations-and connotations of a power struggle-which, as you say, is to be avoided.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2015, 12:35:10 PM »

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