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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: June 30, 2015, 08:45:51 PM »

Hi guys,

I am pretty sure I am at rock bottom, or close to it.  You all have been very helpful in keeping me going to this point, and I have been pretty sh*tty about writing responses to other peoples' posts so far.  I feel nothing though, so am not really in place to be able to counsel anyone.  I can barely get through a day at work because of the stress my dBPD SO causes.  

So I'm married to her (13 years) and have a 9 year old daughter and 7 year old son.  I won't leave without my kids: I know the risks if I do, and I won't leave them to her to be ruined and turned against me.  I need her to leave the house so I can begin to make the case that I must be the primary care giver.  I need to have the kids 100% from the beginning or I know I'll lose them one way or another.  I can't leave them alone to her because that would be like lambs to the slaughter ... .just can't do it.  

Any tips on how to get her out and to keep her out?  I could have her Baker Acted because she talks about hurting herself a lot, but that's only a few days.  You know I can't talk rationally to her and have her go to her mother's house willingly... .

I'm in FL if anyone has knowledge of family law here.  Thank you all, again, sincerely.
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 10:57:31 PM »

hey asd  

this is a tough situation youre in. you might consider checking out the legal board, read from members with similar situations, and possibly ask some of these questions; there may be legal options.

also, have you read this article on surviving a breakup with a pwBPD? it involves some steps in disengaging.

https://bpdfamily.com/content/surviving-break-when-your-partner-has-borderline-personality

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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 01:11:52 AM »

I would start keeping a log of everything she does/says that is crazy, and film and record her as much as you can. Secretly of course, they go really haywire if they find out that you are racking up evidence against them. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 09:29:10 AM »

Hi guys,

I am pretty sure I am at rock bottom, or close to it.  You all have been very helpful in keeping me going to this point, and I have been pretty sh*tty about writing responses to other peoples' posts so far.  I feel nothing though, so am not really in place to be able to counsel anyone.  I can barely get through a day at work because of the stress my dBPD SO causes.  

So I'm married to her (13 years) and have a 9 year old daughter and 7 year old son.  I won't leave without my kids: I know the risks if I do, and I won't leave them to her to be ruined and turned against me.  I need her to leave the house so I can begin to make the case that I must be the primary care giver.  I need to have the kids 100% from the beginning or I know I'll lose them one way or another.  I can't leave them alone to her because that would be like lambs to the slaughter ... .just can't do it.  

Any tips on how to get her out and to keep her out?  I could have her Baker Acted because she talks about hurting herself a lot, but that's only a few days.  You know I can't talk rationally to her and have her go to her mother's house willingly... .

I'm in FL if anyone has knowledge of family law here.  Thank you all, again, sincerely.

You should leave.  Get an apartment in your name and make that your primary financial commitment. If you have a mortgage... then just let it go.  You are the only one that can do anything in this situation.  She will never ever ever do anything you ask her to. SHE WILL NEVER LEAVE.  If you believe anything else... .it is delusion thinking and those ideas must be smashed.   So just take action.

I moved my BPD girlfriend out of the house and in to an apartment.  I pay $1,200 per month for utilities and rent in addition to my own mortgage.  It is a SMALL price to pay.  I repeat SMALL price to pay to have her physically separated from me.    If you are not as lucky me... .and cant afford... just let your current residence go.  ACT NOW... before someone gets hurt. 

She may try to come back (Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)... mine did yesterday).  At that point you need to call the police.  and keep calling.  Thats what I did.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 09:51:19 AM »

Hi ASD,

Hang in there. It's going to be rough for a while, and feel like rock bottom. Once you get a plan and some good counsel, and she is removed from the home, you'll be able to start rebuilding and healing, and get some strength back.

It sounds like you know exactly what's coming next, and are prepared to protect yourself and the kids. That can sometimes be half the battle. You know you want her out of the house, and are prepared to ask for primary custody.

Having her Baker-acted, even if it is only temporary, may help you in family court for years to come. It could be the equivalent of an alcoholic having a DUI. Courts tend to downplay "he said, she said" so anytime you have a government or legal action as part of your documentation, it can help a lot.

Document everything you possibly can. Find out if you live in a one-party or two-party consent state for recording. If it's a one-party consent state, that means you can record her without her permission. Some members here record regardless of the laws in order to protect themselves from a false allegation. Meaning, even if you cannot use the recording in court, a law enforcement officer or Child Protective Services investigator may be willing to look at the footage as part of their decision-making.

There are other laws, depending on where you live, that can be invoked to have someone removed from the home. My L counseled me to stay in the home, otherwise if I was the one leaving, it could be construed as me abandoning the marital home. I ended up leaving anyway.

If you do file a motion to have her removed from the home, or file a protective order, however it works where you live, make sure you understand how things work. For example, ask if you can legally change the locks, and what kind of contact the kids are expected to have. Even though I left abruptly, my L had me put S13 (9 at the time) on the phone the next night. I also wrote a letter that she vetted, to make sure I didn't say anything that would be difficult for her to defend later, if it came to that.

A word about dad's getting full custody. There is a bias in the system, although I looked at the research and while more mothers do get full custody, more mothers also ask for sole. There may be bias that gets perpetuated by lawyers, who tell their dad clients they'll never get full. If your wife is in bad enough shape to be Baker-acted, then you may stand a good chance to get full custody. Keep in mind, though, that full custody does not necessarily describe visitation. You may also want to request supervised visitation, or no overnights, or whatever your lawyer recommends is best (and possible to get in your court).

It might take a while, and you may need to get a custody evaluation (this involved psych evaluations like the MMPI-2 and home visits from an evaluator who issues a report making recommendations to the court).

If you haven't already read Splitting: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing a BPD/NPD Spouse by Bill Eddy, it's a good idea to do so. He also has a website with a lot of resources on high-conflict people: www.highconflictinstitute.com

One thing he says is that not all people with BPD are high-conflict people (what he refers to as HCPs). But all HCPs have a personality disorder. If your wife recruits negative advocates, is a persuasive blamer, and has a target of blame (you), then she's a HCP. These tend to be the toughest divorces. Even if your wife is just BPD alone, it will still be a difficult divorce, but in terms of the legal system, she may not lob false allegations.

You need to get counsel from a lawyer in your state -- you can meet with 2 or 3 for $100 or so per hour to just ask questions. This will give you enough to go on until you need to retain someone. Each lawyer will recommend a different strategy. You have clear goals, and that's very important. Now you need a good, assertive lawyer who will help you figure out a plan how to get there. A lot can come down to what judge you get. Some are really good, and others are not. When you talk to lawyers, ask them about the judge that would be assigned to your case. This is one of the things you're retaining a lawyer for, to get that kind of insider knowledge. Even if you get a lot settled out of court, many of our cases end up eventually in court, one way or another. Especially if you're going for full custody.

People here on Family Law have been through this, and understand what it feels like to be at rock bottom. We're here for you.



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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2015, 10:44:07 AM »

I ended up leaving and I lost everything I owned, including the house. It is a small price to pay to get away from someone who acts insane. I only wish I had done it years earlier... .

Make sure you take anything with you that you want to keep. I lost 35 years of family pictures.

He also cashed in all of our policies so I couldn't recoup any of that money. In Illinois at least, you can't get your half of the money if your ex cashes them in and say they spent all that money,

In the end though, freedom is priceless; I am very relieved and happy he is no longer in my life.

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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2015, 09:00:28 PM »

This is all great, thank you!  I am more than willing to give her half of EVERYTHING and pay for her to live somewhere else if it means not having to deal with her every day, and having her influence on the kids be less. 

Her psychiatrist has talked about Baker Acting her... .I'm going to look up the recording laws in FL, I think it's a 2 party state which sucks.  I thought though, if she's mad enough when I tell her I'm recording she could very well snap back that she's pleased I am because it'll show how she's always right or some other BS... .you know the script.

Thanks guys.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2015, 08:26:06 AM »

Her psychiatrist has talked about Baker Acting her... .

This is why you need to talk to a lawyer, to help you understand how things work in Family Law court -- it's a different logic than how we tend to approach our dilemmas. For example, an opposing L could say to you, "If you were so worried about your wife's influence on the kids, why did you not have my client Baker-acted like her psychiatrist recommended?"

An astute lawyer will take your own actions (or inactions) and turn them against you.

Not saying you should or should not act on what the psychiatrist said, only that this is how family court can work.   
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2015, 08:24:22 AM »

Wow! Great point!  Thanks.
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