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« on: October 23, 2015, 05:02:15 PM »

Hi Group! 

For those who are new or for those who just jump on here & have missed this incredible post, I wanted to share it for the amazing insight it provided to me and others who have read it. You could spend hours & hours in therapy with your bank account a little lighter & not get this insight ... .In My Humble Opinion ... .     I will give credit to who rightly deserves it ... .the author is "2010" and I thank you again. This was just to insightful NOT to share it with as many people as possible ... .without further delay ... .I've titled this piece ... .

"Bonding  a VERY Insightful look into myself" ... .and for the record I am ... .wait ... .  I am a RECOVERING "the Lonely Child"

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In some relationships, the idealization phase is the partner being in lonely child stance and the Borderline being in abandoned child stance.*Both need saving* Both need attachment to stave off the pain of being alone.  This is one type of bonding seen in this community.

In this bond, both people bring core trauma to the relationship. Mirroring reenacts the earliest childhood experiences to rise up and emerge into consciousness.

In idealization, there is a dual identification and projection for both people that they have found a perfect love- however, one partner (the “lonely child”) does not yet realize that the other partner (the abandoned child= Borderline) has no whole self- and is utilizing a fantasy of a part-time good in order to fuse with the partner's part time good and become one.

The lonely child has spent much of their life becoming “one.”  When a lonely child finds an abandoned child, both parties feel needed. However, rather than truly loving the individuality of both parties- the sad, fantasy aspect of mirroring magnifies the unhealthy *needs* of both people.

When the lonely child begins to question the reality of mirroring (reality testing) this raises core traumas into activation concerning both the questioning (uncertainty) and the hope (unfulfilled expectations) of the unrealistic attachment. "Lack of inherent trust" is found in both parties at this stage.

Reality testing causes the lonely child to pull away because certain things don't add up- as you say, "the idealization phase slowly erodes."

Pulling away, even while in the lap of comfortable luxury- triggers the abandoned child issues of the Borderline. This causes panic reactions of clinging behaviors by the Borderline to prevent the retreat of their desired love object. These immature demands can look like entitlement to others, especially to a lonely child, who has learned early on to be self sufficient and to self soothe- but the entitlement markers are highly charged and emotional to a Borderline, which isn’t Narcissistic grandiosity- it’s ego deficiency and panic.

The entitlement phase brings a hidden "angry and aggressive child" out from hibernation and into full view and this usually occurs when the lonely child least expects it.  The angry child that emerges is pissed and has delusions of persecution that are ideas of reference from earlier childhood trauma. It’s at this point that the angry child (Borderline) will become enraged and try to cast off shame.  They may attempt to harm himself/herself in order to scapegoat the lonely child- who unwittingly stands-in for the earliest attachment.  This triggers the lonely child's trauma from their earliest attachment as well.

The Borderline wants so badly to be whole that they demand that the lonely child create wholeness for them- which the partner succeeds in doing early on but then relaxes. The Borderline temper tantrum, with its ideas of reference being so very childlike and fantastic, perceives the relaxation of the partner as though the attachment is split up. In order to cope, the Borderline must now find another part time perceived good object to self medicate the emotions of feeling badly from the split.  If this cannot be accomplished, the surge of limbic fear concerning anger and abandonment causes such great pain that self harm is often inflicted for relief.

The lonely child is often very surprised by this. The anger and dysregulation are in contrast to what he/she perceives are necessary for the circumstances. (The lonely child fails to see need disguised as "love."  Therefore, the lonely child seeks to understand the Borderlines ideas of reference concerning "love" in order to cope with the neediness and begins a line of questioning.  The Borderline retreats.

Lonely child is "understanding driven" and gets drawn into the Borderline acting out. The lonely child now has a mystery- the Borderline dilemma of "who am I?" This is very likely the same way that the lonely child came into existence as an “understanding driven” child. Especially when he questioned the motives of his earliest attachments during infancy and adolescence.

The lonely child *understands* the need to be held, loved and understood – because that’s what he longs for in others. The lonely child feels that in order to deal with acting out of the Borderline- the lonely child must project the aura of grace, compassion and understanding upon the Borderline and also guide, teach and show the way- because after all, that’s what the lonely child would want someone to do for him. There was a large reason that the initial mirroring (of this fixer /rescuer ego) worked so well in the idealization stage- the relationship really WAS the projection of lonely child that was mirrored, not the deficient ego of the Borderline.

In the "upside down" world of the Borderline, the lonely child is the perfect attachment to fuse to and the hypersensitive Borderline is the perfect mystery for the lonely child to try to understand.  This is the reactivation of a childhood dynamic- that forms a needy bond.

The Borderline is a perfect template with which to Header and identify with as a good object and also one to invest in to feel better about the “self.”

The understanding driven lonely child "imagines" (projects) onto the Borderline what he/she feels the Borderline identifies with. The lonely child often fills in the blanks with projective identification and the Borderline attempts to absorbs this- but it's impossible to appear as a self-directed person while taking cues and mirroring another self directed partner.

The Borderline scrambles to keep up with what is projected in a chameleon like manner.  All of this pressure to adapt and conform to the projection smothers and defeats the Borderline’s yearning for a perfect bond and triggers engulfment failure. 

Engulfment also means loss of control, annihilation fantasies and shame.  Shame activates the punitive parent that resides in their inner world, their psyche. The attachment failure has now become shame based for the Borderline.  It will soon become guilt driven for the lonely child partner.

Engulfment makes Borderlines very frustrated and angry- but Borderlines fear abandonment and choose to stuff away their fear and compulsively attempt to manage their pain. The impulsive gestures are a form of self harm that fixes the bond in a permanent chaos of action/reaction. 

Borderlines can be avoidant and passive aggressive and will do everything in their power to hide their strong emotions until they implode.  They swing wildly from abandoned child to angry child until they deflate into detached protector- who is basically a mute that doesn’t speak- or worse, speaks in word salad when confronted.

The swinging dysregulation pattern is unable to be separated and individuated and self directed. Because it cannot be self directed, it cannot be self soothed. There is no ability to defer these emotions to logic and reasoning with introspection *without* another person to blame.  This is where Borderlines are showing you the maturity stage at which they are developmentally arrested and remain stuck and frightened.

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Devaluing is the BPD going into the punitive parent role to switch up the control  control was relinquished in the idealisation phase so we will attach. The further along we get in the rs  the BPD then feels like we are the persecutor for their failing part time self  devalue. Devaluing is more about projection  because there failing self makes them feel woeful, scared, fearful.

We all have punitive parents that exist in our heads. This is our Superego.  The criticism felt by both parties exists as guilt and shame inside our heads. This tape plays over and over and is a re-working of former traumas. It is also a huge part of what makes complementary traumas so attractive as binding agents to each other.  The lonely child has the “tyrannical shoulds” while the abandoned child has defectiveness schema- together they interact and drive each other crazy.

The understanding driven child cannot fathom how another human being does not have a “self.”  The understanding driven child has had much childhood experience with strong selves and has created a self to understand the motives of others. Lonely children have a need to have some sort of control over their destiny because so much was out of control in their childhood.

The Borderline’s idea of destiny is being attached to others for protection. The Borderline cannot fathom what it means to have a stand alone “self.”

Both parties are human “doing” for others rather than being- but there is more impulsivity in Borderline in the “offering” of themselves as objects.  (The lonely child is very particular concerning who he gives his heart to and makes decisions based upon careful consideration.)

The failure to find a healthy mature love activates the punitive parent in both people’s psyche- one for persecution and the other for failure to understand others (cloaked in rescuing behaviors)- this is the “flea” of each others psychiatric trauma that really is a very strong obsessive bond, and one of endless victimization for both parties unless one or the other becomes understanding driven toward self direction.  Guess who has the best chance?  Unfortunately, the mirrored good that the Borderline provided was a very strong drug- and the obsession is outwardly projected (as it always has been) by the lonely child in order to understand and consequently, control it.

It’s at this point that spying, engaging in testing and push/pull behaviors occur as both parties fight for control. Each pours salt in the others core wound.

The understanding driven child tries to understand the Borderline and the Borderline feels misunderstood and persecuted. The understanding driven child retreats to repair their ego and the Borderline lashes out and tries to shame him. The pendulum swings back and forth in clinging and hating and disordered thought and chaos. 

The lonely child tries to uncover what they think the Borderline is hiding from them (triggering bouts of paranoia) or missing (creating dependency issues.)  The angry child threatens to destroy the relationship (as well as themselves = self harm) which triggers immense anger and outrage for both parties. Their love object is broken.

Both parties are in pain- and their egos are easy to "pinch" because they both fear abandonment.   At this point, both core traumas are exposed and the partners are no longer interacting with each other except to arouse each other’s trauma wounds from childhood.

The false self of the lonely child, that the Borderline mirrored, has more ego- as it is directly tied to a “self” which involves coping mechanisms from childhood that mirrored back good.  It was a self that was capable and seeming to have all the answers in the beginning.  When the Borderline tries to destroy it as a failed attachment, it begins to crumble and the lonely child retreats and tries to repair it- essentially wounded to the core. This is also part and parcel of the injury of the smear campaign- and the lonely child may try to return to defend the "self" from being attacked.

Trauma for the lonely child occurs mainly because of perceived failure they cannot “understand” enough (essentially an obsession at this point) and trauma for the Borderline occurs because of anger and abandonment and shame that existed since infancy- and persecution by their inner parent superego for not becoming whole. 

At this point, both parties feel like failures.

Unfortunately, the repair for the lonely child’s self consists of trying again to fix the Borderline "mirror" to reflect the good.  Many attempts will be made by the lonely child (once again) to effect an outcome other than the failed attachment.  The lonely child will try to re-build the self and get the love object (Borderline) to return and resume their compliant mirroring.

Eventually, the fantasy begins to unravel for the lonely child, that they are alone- and the person that the lonely child fell in love with, (the person in the mirror,) was actually YOU.

Who really is the Borderline? Someone who needed you for awhile because they were scared to be alone.

They’re still scared. Forgive them if you can- they are modern day recreations of their own childhood fears.

Now- after reading all of this- You can’t keep going back for more trauma.  Idea The trauma bond must be broken.

After we've let fantasy go- we can turn the focus to healing.  It's good to wonder what our attraction must have been to this person. Whatever clues you have are generally good enough to give you reason that you’ve had experience with this type of personality before- perhaps within your family of origin.

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Radical acceptance comes when you realize that what was mirrored really wasn’t you- it was what *you wanted others to give to you*   It was <<Understanding.>>

Try to give that to yourself.
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2015, 10:35:10 AM »

This is a very good read, as well as an explanation for the trend of events in my own relationship. I most definitely entered with the "lonely child" perspective and developed a constant desire to "understand"- I think I read stacks and stacks of relationship books. This also paralleled my quest to figure out what was going on with my mother ( with BPD) since I was old enough to grasp that something was going on with her while the rest of my FOO maintained that she was "normal and that, if only I behaved well enough, she wouldn't be angry at me."

Boy did I play that one out in my marriage where I sought to understand, fix, soothe, accommodate- because I believed that doing this enough would make my H "see the light" and stop treating me the way he was. What I was doing, was giving to him and others what I wished someone had given to me, thinking that if I did this, I'd get it in return.

We need to nurture our own "lonely child" - give that "child" the love and understanding it seeks. Smiling (click to insert in post)  We can and still should be kind and loving to others, but we need to love ourselves too.

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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2015, 11:13:37 AM »

Hi JQ,

Someone gifted me this post by 2010 some months back when my BPDxbf and I were just beginning to recycle. It was SO useful to me. I even sent a paper copy to my BPDxbf. He also found it enlightening. It explained why things were happening as they were, particularly the mutual pain we were experiencing. Unfortunately, neither of us were healthy enough to be able stem the decline and we went our separate ways, but understanding why we did, really helps me. Not surprising as I, too, am an understanding-driven lonely child.

Good idea to make people aware of it... .

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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2015, 12:00:16 PM »

Very good post, i recognize this 1:1, and its really ackward to see a love relation layed out as some sort of a preprogrammed process between two people.

Question which isnt answered unfortunately, how could this be halted so that two persons who actually really love eachother can return to a natural state, that holds the line between idealisation and devaluation... .
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2015, 01:53:27 PM »

Someone has to step out of the "dance" of illusion and decide to have a relationship between two imperfect and not idealized human beings. This starts with working on ourselves and repairing that childhood hurt. If we look at others to do this, to care for us the way we wish a parent would have, if we believe that we need someone else to do this, then we feel unable to do so. However, we are the only one who can do this.

For me, it took ACOA and co-dependency groups to help work on this. The relationship between sponsor and sponsee is helpful. It isn't parent-child, but it is a tough love relationship that is a healthier model. It requires being honest with the sponsor, and experiencing someone who sees you as you are, and cares about you anyway, but also doesn't enable you. A therapist can also model this type of behavior.

It also takes self care, which can feel selfish to a co-dependent. I know the feeling of being self sacrificing, but we have to learn that it is OK to take care of ourselves, to say "no" if we mean it ( a hard thing for me to learn).

By "real person" I think nons are accustomed to dealing with difficult behavior, but I also think we were susceptible to the idealization as well as the highs and lows of the drama in the relationship- the push pull. I think a healthy relationship is probably somewhere in the middle, solid affection and love but not the intensity of either end of the push pull.

I think we also have to be that "real person" not the knight in shining armor or fixer. This may change the dynamics of the relationship, but it is one chance at having something different.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2015, 03:31:41 PM »

Hi Notwendy,

What was sad for me, was that my BPDxbf and I were recycling so rapidly and our relationship was so unstable, that we couldn't give each other the time to make the necessary adjustments, to do the necessary healing, to learn the necessary techniques. We were on a rollercoaster heading downhill at 100 miles an hour with no brakes. It was tragic because I wanted us to turn it around... .and so did he. Eventually, we both realised that neither of us could handle the pain that was being triggered.

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PS. (Is your username a reference to Peter Pan?)
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2015, 04:46:23 PM »

That was part of the reason for the name.  The fictional Wendy was recruited to be a mother to Peter and the Lost boys, but caretaking people who should be taking care of themselves is part of co-dependency. So, I thought it was a good metaphor for my attempts to be "co-dependent no more".


Although it had to be hard to not be able to sustain your relationship, I think that recognizing the pattern and learning the skills to deal with it are valuable in all relationships, and hopefully will help you in the future. I think we all do the best we can with what we have at the time- and are constantly learning.



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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2015, 05:12:38 PM »

Peter Pan was particularly significant to my BPDxbf. He was bought the book of Peter Pan for Christmas when he was two. That Christmas, after reading the book with him, his Dad dysregulated and went into a rage. My BPDxbf ended up in hospital with abdominal injuries at the hand of his father.

My BPDxbf saw me as Tinkerbell who drank the poison for Peter Pan and thus saved his life. I'm not that familiar with the story though. Did she die in the process of saving him?

Eventually, I told him I was hanging up my wings.

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2015, 05:20:20 PM »

I think this plays well with the idealization idea mentioned on this thread. Fictional characters aren't real, and yet when we idealize we are in fiction. Yet good fiction can be a metaphor for some life situations.

I've seen references to Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland for dysfunctional situations.

I did think as a kid, that my mother was some kind of witch, but now I don't see her that way.

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2015, 06:28:54 PM »

It highlights why "understanding" or the need to understand locks us in the toxic cycle. Seeking awareness and acceptance of what we find is better. Then learning to live without projecting our needs, or allowing the projection of others.

Take sustenance from your own firmly planted roots, rather than grafting onto others. Your arms can then better entwine without the risk of spreading toxicity.

Rescuers become infected by the disorder as it slowly takes over and transforms their own life completely. This post investigates what drives the rescuer.

Awareness of our own roots is the basis for developing healthy growth

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2015, 01:09:22 PM »

This highlights the need for self-development as a milestone that is required for mature adult love... .rather than a fantasy love affair based on how someone makes you feel.  The fantasy love affair feels so good in the beginning that it is hard to give-up... .and those of us with unresolved wounds from childhood that disrupted our selfhood... .unwittingly seize upon romantic love and the projections inherent in the phases of romantic love... .to gloss over those wounds... .and we mistakenly feel we are now 'whole' based on the love we have found because it feels so damn good.  The  moment that love-object messes with our mirror... .we feel crushed.  We keep seeking the the idealization phase again and again.

All couples do this to a degree, but with normal development... .eventually couples face a difficult transition out of the projection driven phase of romantic love (an various codependent arrangements we use to offset the anxiety of intimacy)  and into the hard-won interdependence of mature adult love that requires two whole individuals to be present and to no longer rely on fantasy-projection to shore up a shaky or underdeveloped sense of self.  (most of us who marry young are still developing a sense of self).  

With mature love, we no longer depend upon a reflected sense of self to remain stable... .and we are willing to both stand alone and be vulnerable with another very human, imperfect person who will certainly fail to mirror us positively a lot of the time.   There is a loss during this transition, but much to gain... .as is true of all developmental growth.  This difficult transition (which is built into intimate relating)  is where it implodes for many couples because it doesn't feel good and it's very scary.  

And, this is where it can even become stuck and toxic as described between the lonely child and the abandoned child/BPD... .as both become so frightened and angry (limbic system is activated as childhood wounds are triggered).  

This crucible is actually what fuels mature growth in normal-range healthy couples (Schnarch).  But, they have to give up the fantasy that another person will make them whole or is responsible for their happiness... .and exchange it for something much better; Their own developed self that is finally mature enough to actually love (as opposed to neediness via the reflected sense of self) another whole person and not rely on projection (addicted to only the good "parts" that create positive feeling states aka as "dependency".) They can hang onto themselves and relate to a whole person, the good the bad and the ugly... .and not just depend on the 'good parts' that mirror back favorably... .and they do not collapse but remain whole in the face of negative mirroring and reality.  A big part of this is getting to know intimately all your own parts... .the good the bad and the ugly.  

There is no way to be intimate without learning to manage negativity that will inevitably be stirred-up by your partner, that is what intimacy does.    It is the price to pay for intimacy.  Intimacy doesn't feel good all the time.  It triggers our worst fears.  Schnarch refers to marriage, or any long term committed relationship,  as a people growing machine. The pay-off is the development of mature adult-love, which can truly be awe-inspiring.  The pay off is to grow-up.  Which tends to serve all of humanity, not just the needs of the couple.
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2015, 06:23:21 AM »

MaybeSo, thanks for your great post.

I identify with the lonely child angle, and i see very well your point.

I also notice a transformation in that sense where i felt that initially - when devaluation began - this lonely child was pushing its fears to the foreground, longing for the lost fantasy, and controlling my reactions.

Now i more and more accept the idealisation fantasy to be a fantasy, an unsustainable dream, its truely a grieving process, both of the relationship and of collective childhood pains. It confronts you with the fact that you can only heal yourself, there is nobody that can do that for you. And you certainly cant fix it for anyone else... .

I also see a parallel change from rescuing to providing care.

Rescuing is the false believe that you can actually take control of another persons issues, and influence their emotions positively.

Providing care is creating the RIGHT circumstances so that the other person can address the issues him/herself.

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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2015, 06:43:58 AM »

Rescuing=Preventing the need for self rescue

Providing effective care=Creating a safe environment in which self rescue can be nutured
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2015, 08:39:29 AM »

Indeed, a safe environment is key.
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2015, 09:09:27 AM »

This is a great thread.

Yes, I was there as well, but I do feel that I am much past that. Where I struggle now is now that you are in bed (literally) with a BPD, you don't have the ability to grow into a mature relationships because you don't have a mature partner. I learned how to cope with that, but this is where it stops - at coping.

And so I always ask myself if, perhaps, it is possible that we will have a relationship and I won't be only in a position of caretaker, or at least the adult in the room.

Sometimes I tell myself that no, that's not possible, be thankful for every day that goes by and there is relative calm, take care of yourself, find happiness outside of marriage (i.e. in other areas in your life), be a good father, try to be a supportive husband when you can, and that's it.
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