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« on: February 20, 2019, 11:03:02 AM »



So... I'm in between MBA classes, so I've spent a week several hours away from home (where we used to live and I still have quite a bit of real estate) catching up on things that needed to be done down here and frankly... .enjoying some alone time.

This is likely to be a bit of rambly post... .not really sure where it's going. 

Anyway... .I'm leaving later today and I'm incredibly emotional.  A big part of it is that I'm staying in my parents house (where I grew up)... .so lots of wonderful memories and of course I miss my Dad.  The weather cleared up for a day and I had a chance to get some work done outside.

The rope I needed was coiled and stowed... right where Dad put it.  Chainsaw had a fresh chain on it.  Started after just a couple pulls, even though it hadn't been used in a couple years. 

It felt really good to take care of the place and do things here that we used to do together all the time. 

Helped me think and put things in perspective.  I'm an extroverted guy... but as I get older and my life has gotten crazier I cherish my "alone time"... .because it allows me time to think.

I've got some turning points (checkpoints or whatever you want to call them coming up)

I have two classes left (just started them) and then I'll be done with my MBA.  It's a "cohort" program so you go through the 2 year thing with the same group of people.  It keeps the schedule moving and has been a very consuming part of my life for the last two years.

I can't keep up that pace of life... .nor should I... .going forward. 

I'm going to have a lot more time and energy back in the "FF choice" category and I need to be thoughtful about how and where I "spend" that.

I've certainly got several real estate "projects" to finish up or (in some cases start)... .but any timeline on those is self imposed.  I have choices there.

Anyway... .I'm trying to figure out what it would look like if I took half of my MBA time and plunked it down under "father" category and took the other half and plunked it down under "real estate/family farming business"

And... true to the conflicted board... .is it weird that I didn't consider (for very long) putting much of this extra energy/time into my marriage.

I'm certainly not proposing lowering my "input" or any of that to my marriage, but I have sort of a "it is what it is" attitude towards it.  Barring any significant and consistent change from my wife... .I don't see putting more effort/energy into my marriage as productive.

Yet... .when I read that... .and think about it... .doesn't that seem odd?

Not really sure where this journey goes... .this journey being a marriage to a pwBPD tendencies, but I've got a pretty long list of things that I'm just not going to be involved in "relationship wise" any more.  And... if my wife isn't going to be involved in the things I'm offering... .well... .that's that.

I think it was Oprah and Brene Brown talking on a video (or maybe they were separate)... .but anyway it was said... ."don't expect gallon love from someone that only has a quart".

Maybe that's a plain way of saying "radical acceptance". 

What's the difference in radical acceptance and "giving up"?  I certainly haven't "given up", yet I'm also obviously not going to "give more".

OK... maybe that bolded question is really what I'm asking.  I'll end the rambling now... .

Thanks for being there for me... .it means a lot to me.

Best,

FF



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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2019, 01:34:12 PM »

FF,

I’m sort of sad to hear this, when I was active here 7-8, months ago it seemed like you really had it together and I thought wow there’s some minor things here, but seemed decent for a BPD relationship. I had thought maybe this is someone’s relationship that gives me hope that mine may work out after all. I really do hope things become the best they can be. At the same time it’s sort of a sad story of being married yet being alone.
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2019, 03:05:43 PM »

It's nice to have breathing room and some alone time. It really allows us to re-center ourselves when we have no external distractions from our pwBPD. And as they will, they often can use up a lot of oxygen in the room with their emotional issues.

I try and have lots of private time throughout the day where I can think my own thoughts without feeling the need to participate in the drama du jour, and there's nearly always a drama--sometimes quite insignificant, other times very dramatic.

You're contemplating why you don't think of putting more energy into your relationship. Well, perhaps it has enough energy as it is. You don't over-fill your gas tank, hoping to get more mileage.

Perhaps many of us who fall in the codependent/caretaker mold have some unrealistic expectations about what a relationship is and what it provides. I know that I have.

What I've learned from being in a BPD relationship is that I must honor my own individuality and make sure that I pursue my interests. Previously I had thought of a relationship as a merger of two souls. Now I think of it as a conversation between two individuals.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2019, 03:39:46 PM »


You're contemplating why you don't think of putting more energy into your relationship. Well, perhaps it has enough energy as it is. You don't over-fill your gas tank, hoping to get more mileage.
 

Yes... this very much describes where I'm at.  I've kinda found a level of "input" that I am willing to give my relationship... and that's that.

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2019, 04:46:38 AM »

What's the difference in radical acceptance and "giving up"?  I certainly haven't "given up", yet I'm also obviously not going to "give more".

my own definition of acceptance is "to experience without defense or distress".

I am not yet at acceptance.     wish I could move further along that path but am kind of stuck right now.

my own definition of giving up is 'to exhaust all possibilities for change.'

I can kind of see change off distantly on the horizon but am not even sure I should walk in that direction,  or that I could get there.

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2019, 09:51:18 AM »

Yes... this very much describes where I'm at.  I've kinda found a level of "input" that I am willing to give my relationship... and that's that.

FF
Morning Formflier!

Cant resist the urge to 'highjack' a little here, but that's what friends are for right : )

(please pardon the nautical "talk")

*Level of input given, is perceived by evidence gathered.

So, you launch off the Boat, at sunset… in your E2 Hawkeye… on a long patrol… how many pounds of gas you got onboard, what is your blue water bingo… are you rigged for air to air refueling(?)… what was the weather report in briefing… you climb, gain airspeed to your cruising altitude, and set course heading… you are now the eyes of the task force, the battle group is depending on you and your crew to be a looking glass over the horizon… I can almost smell the JP!

Said another way…

You and Mrs. FF have been married for a long time, well over two decades now (?)… you've got eight beautiful children with her… its been rough, its been hard, but you've persevered… you know where you came from, and you are pretty sure where you are at right now… and I do think you can picture where you want to go… and I on track here?

We do get worn down, we get lots of "flight hours" on us, the constant drumbeat, vibration, stress… takes its toll, like sitting in that cockpit for hours and hours on end, looking out the windscreen at an empty, and endless ocean… in great weather, and in very bad weather… one minute your bored, and even tired, and in the next minute your scared $hitless!… it can change just that quickly… (BPD)

But FF is a seasoned aviator, husband, and father… he's no "nugget"… he is a FLIGHT LEADER!

The "Skipper" !

You've been "on cruise" for long time now Formflier… not much you ain't seen or experienced out here.

Your family absolutely depends on you, to be their Father, their Leader, their "Spiritual Guide"… you are DAD!

What do I get from your post, you have the navigation down "pat"… you know how far you have to go, you know where you want to go…  and you know how much gas you have in your fuel tanks… you have studied the weather forecast... and you are a seasoned veteran of many a dark and stormy night at sea, and in the air, and finding your way back to the carrier, back home again, and then being able to come back aboard the ship… sometimes almost out of gas… sometimes with major issues with your aircraft's flight controls (Mrs. Formflier).

You are doing the mission conservation thing Formflier… "operational risk management"…

You know how much you are able to; and as well how much of "it" you are willing to give to your marriage… without winding up in the drink (water)… out of gas and airspeed is a very bad place to be (yes)…

That's where I'm at / at the moment… I bobbing around out here in the deep dark ocean, without a plan, almost out of hope… I abandoned my aircraft, or did "she" abandon me?… I did NOT manage my mission assets properly, and I crashed.

You got a breather, some popcorn, and a hot cup of coffee in the ready room, and you know, its almost time, .you are going topside, to man up again soon… you are taking mental and emotional inventory, your "pre-flight" checklist.

Your going to be just fine Brother… take Mrs. FF into your arms, and squeeze her tight, and tell her you love her more than anything else in the whole wide world…

Maybe she climbs aboard with you, maybe she doesn't… but at least your strapped in good and tight again, and its time to start those engines… the Yellow Shirts are ready to taxi you to the waist CAT now…

Take Care Formflier !

(secure from high-jack)

Red5

 

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2019, 12:49:26 PM »


Hehe... .so, to put it in Nautical terms I don't doubt my ability to catch a wire.  The kinds of things that appeal to me to do after my mission is done and before I recover (Hawkeye's are almost always last because we are big... .and the boss doesn't want me clobbering his deck)
 
are very different know.  Early on I was all about zipping around the fleet doing flybys... .checking out surface contacts and generally goofing off.

(FF narrative explanation here.  So when you launch there is usually a training mission.  When that's over the Hawkeye has the longest period of time before they have to recover... .so there is usually unshceduled time after "knock it off" on the training mission)

Later in my career I was much more interested in hanging out at altitude and watching sunset... .watching the fleet sail by.  There is a cool thing that sometimes happens when the sun goes below the horizon out at sea... .you can get a real color show.

Anyway... .putting my effort into different parts of my life and relationship.

Memories... .  OK... I'll hijack my own thread. 

So... .there I was a "functional check pilot" and the engine mechs had done some work requiring a "Bravo" profile (if I remember right)... .basically I had to launch, shut down the engine, start it back up in the air... and land... and do various other checks as well.

Anyway... I was the only plan that went airborne.  Fleet was hauling butt to get somewhere, so everyone turned into the wind to get me airborne... then turned back towards where they were going.  Boss said call him when I was done... and he'd figure out how to get me back onboard.

I got all the checks done and remember watching the fleet going really fast... .it was quite a site.  When I called up Boss and told him I was ready to come aboard... .the entire fleet started turning.  Basically did a 180... .just for me.  Pretty cool.

As soon as I caught the wire the ship went into a hard turn to get back on course... cool beans.

Hijack over... .can I hijack my own thread?

FF

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