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« on: February 15, 2012, 07:28:44 AM »

Reposting from the Idealization workshop... .

 

Clearmind- I hope you don't mind- I'm adding in another person to the mix... .so you can see the trauma bond. BTW, Sorry for the length.Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) I guess I felt like writing tonight!

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The idealisation phase is the BPD being in the abused child stance ~ the one that needs saving and we do.



The idealization phase is the partner being in lonely child stance and the Borderline being in abandoned child stance.*Both need saving* Both need attachment to stave off the pain of being alone.

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Lack of inherent trust then causes the BPD to devalue because the trust developed in the idealisation phase slowly erodes ~ they don't trust it due to the own core trauma.



Both people bring core trauma to the relationship. Mirroring reenacts the earliest childhood experiences to rise up and emerge into consciousness.

In idealization, there is a dual identification and projection for both people that they have found a perfect love- however, one partner (the “lonely child”) does not yet realize that the other partner (the abandoned child= Borderline) has no whole self- and is utilizing a fantasy of a part-time good in order to fuse with the partner's part time good and become one.

The lonely child has spent much of their life becoming “one.”  When a lonely child finds an abandoned child, both parties feel needed. However, rather than truly loving the individuality of both parties- the sad, fantasy aspect of mirroring magnifies the unhealthy *needs* of both people.

When the lonely child begins to question the reality of mirroring (reality testing) this raises core traumas into activation concerning both the questioning (uncertainty) and the hope (unfulfilled expectations) of the unrealistic attachment. "Lack of inherent trust" is found in both parties at this stage.

Reality testing causes the lonely child to pull away because certain things don't add up- as you say, "the idealization phase slowly erodes."

Pulling away, even while in the lap of comfortable luxury- triggers the abandoned child issues of the Borderline. This causes panic reactions of clinging behaviors by the Borderline to prevent the retreat of their desired love object. These immature demands can look like entitlement to others, especially to a lonely child, who has learned early on to be self sufficient and to self soothe- but the entitlement markers are highly charged and emotional to a Borderline, which isn’t Narcissistic grandiosity- it’s ego deficiency and panic.

The entitlement phase brings a hidden "angry and aggressive child" out from hibernation and into full view and this usually occurs when the lonely child least expects it.  The angry child that emerges is pissed and has delusions of persecution that are ideas of reference from earlier childhood trauma. It’s at this point that the angry child (Borderline) will become enraged and try to cast off shame.  They may attempt to harm himself/herself in order to scapegoat the lonely child- who unwittingly stands-in for the earliest attachment.  This triggers the lonely child's trauma from their earliest attachment as well.

The Borderline wants so badly to be whole that they demand that the lonely child create wholeness for them- which the partner succeeds in doing early on but then relaxes. The Borderline temper tantrum, with its ideas of reference being so very childlike and fantastic, perceives the relaxation of the partner as though the attachment is split up. In order to cope, the Borderline must now find another part time perceived good object to self medicate the emotions of feeling badly from the split.  If this cannot be accomplished, the surge of limbic fear concerning anger and abandonment causes such great pain that self harm is often inflicted for relief.

The lonely child is often very surprised by this. The anger and dysregulation are in contrast to what he/she perceives are necessary for the circumstances. (The lonely child fails to see need disguised as "love."  Therefore, the lonely child seeks to understand the Borderlines ideas of reference concerning "love" in order to cope with the neediness and begins a line of questioning.  The Borderline retreats.

Lonely child is "understanding driven" and gets drawn into the Borderline acting out. The lonely child now has a mystery- the Borderline dilemma of "who am I?" This is very likely the same way that the lonely child came into existence as an “understanding driven” child. Especially when he questioned the motives of his earliest attachments during infancy and adolescence.

The lonely child *understands* the need to be held, loved and understood – because that’s what he longs for in others. The lonely child feels that in order to deal with acting out of the Borderline- the lonely child must project the aura of grace, compassion and understanding upon the Borderline and also guide, teach and show the way- because after all, that’s what the lonely child would want someone to do for him. There was a large reason that the initial mirroring (of this fixer /rescuer ego) worked so well in the idealization stage- the relationship really WAS the projection of lonely child that was mirrored, not the deficient ego of the Borderline.

In the "upside down" world of the Borderline, the lonely child is the perfect attachment to fuse to and the hypersensitive Borderline is the perfect mystery for the lonely child to try to understand.  This is the reactivation of a childhood dynamic- that forms a needy bond.

The Borderline is a perfect template with which to Header and identify with as a good object and also one to invest in to feel better about the “self.”

The understanding driven lonely child "imagines" (projects) onto the Borderline what he/she feels the Borderline identifies with. The lonely child often fills in the blanks with projective identification and the Borderline attempts to absorbs this- but it's impossible to appear as a self-directed person while taking cues and mirroring another self directed partner.

The Borderline scrambles to keep up with what is projected in a chameleon like manner.  All of this pressure to adapt and conform to the projection smothers and defeats the Borderline’s yearning for a perfect bond and triggers engulfment failure.  

Engulfment also means loss of control, annihilation fantasies and shame.  Shame activates the punitive parent that resides in their inner world, their psyche. The attachment failure has now become shame based for the Borderline.  It will soon become guilt driven for the lonely child partner.

Engulfment makes Borderlines very frustrated and angry- but Borderlines fear abandonment and choose to stuff away their fear and compulsively attempt to manage their pain. The impulsive gestures are a form of self harm that fixes the bond in a permanent chaos of action/reaction.  

Borderlines can be avoidant and passive aggressive and will do everything in their power to hide their strong emotions until they implode.  They swing wildly from abandoned child to angry child until they deflate into detached protector- who is basically a mute that doesn’t speak- or worse, speaks in word salad when confronted.

The swinging dysregulation pattern is unable to be separated and individuated and self directed. Because it cannot be self directed, it cannot be self soothed. There is no ability to defer these emotions to logic and reasoning with introspection *without* another person to blame.  This is where Borderlines are showing you the maturity stage at which they are developmentally arrested and remain stuck and frightened.

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Devaluing is the BPD going into the punitive parent role to switch up the control ~ control was relinquished in the idealisation phase so we will attach. The further along we get in the rs ~ the BPD then feels like we are the persecutor for their failing part time self ~ devalue. Devaluing is more about projection ~ because there failing self makes them feel woeful, scared, fearful.



We all have punitive parents that exist in our heads. This is our Superego.  The criticism felt by both parties exists as guilt and shame inside our heads. This tape plays over and over and is a re-working of former traumas. It is also a huge part of what makes complementary traumas so attractive as binding agents to each other.  The lonely child has the “tyrannical shoulds” while the abandoned child has defectiveness schema- together they interact and drive each other crazy.

The understanding driven child cannot fathom how another human being does not have a “self.”  The understanding driven child has had much childhood experience with strong selves and has created a self to understand the motives of others. Lonely children have a need to have some sort of control over their destiny because so much was out of control in their childhood.

The Borderline’s idea of destiny is being attached to others for protection. The Borderline cannot fathom what it means to have a stand alone “self.”

Both parties are human “doing” for others rather than being- but there is more impulsivity in Borderline in the “offering” of themselves as objects.  (The lonely child is very particular concerning who he gives his heart to and makes decisions based upon careful consideration.)

The failure to find a healthy mature love activates the punitive parent in both people’s psyche- one for persecution and the other for failure to understand others (cloaked in rescuing behaviors)- this is the “flea” of each others psychiatric trauma that really is a very strong obsessive bond, and one of endless victimization for both parties unless one or the other becomes understanding driven toward self direction.  Guess who has the best chance?  Unfortunately, the mirrored good that the Borderline provided was a very strong drug- and the obsession is outwardly projected (as it always has been) by the lonely child in order to understand and consequently, control it.

It’s at this point that spying, engaging in testing and push/pull behaviors occur as both parties fight for control. Each pours salt in the others core wound.

The understanding driven child tries to understand the Borderline and the Borderline feels misunderstood and persecuted. The understanding driven child retreats to repair their ego and the Borderline lashes out and tries to shame him. The pendulum swings back and forth in clinging and hating and disordered thought and chaos.  

The lonely child tries to uncover what they think the Borderline is hiding from them (triggering bouts of paranoia) or missing (creating dependency issues.)  The angry child threatens to destroy the relationship (as well as themselves = self harm) which triggers immense anger and outrage for both parties. Their love object is broken.

Both parties are in pain- and their egos are easy to "pinch" because they both fear abandonment.   At this point, both core traumas are exposed and the partners are no longer interacting with each other except to arouse each other’s trauma wounds from childhood.

The false self of the lonely child, that the Borderline mirrored, has more ego- as it is directly tied to a “self” which involves coping mechanisms from childhood that mirrored back good.  It was a self that was capable and seeming to have all the answers in the beginning.  When the Borderline tries to destroy it as a failed attachment, it begins to crumble and the lonely child retreats and tries to repair it- essentially wounded to the core. This is also part and parcel of the injury of the smear campaign- and the lonely child may try to return to defend the "self" from being attacked.

Trauma for the lonely child occurs mainly because of perceived failure they cannot “understand” enough (essentially an obsession at this point) and trauma for the Borderline occurs because of anger and abandonment and shame that existed since infancy- and persecution by their inner parent superego for not becoming whole.  

At this point, both parties feel like failures.

Unfortunately, the repair for the lonely child’s self consists of trying again to fix the Borderline "mirror" to reflect the good.  Many attempts will be made by the lonely child (once again) to effect an outcome other than the failed attachment.  The lonely child will try to re-build the self and get the love object (Borderline) to return and resume their compliant mirroring.

Eventually, the fantasy begins to unravel for the lonely child, that they are alone- and the person that the lonely child fell in love with, (the person in the mirror,) was actually YOU.

Who really is the Borderline? Someone who needed you for awhile because they were scared to be alone.

They’re still scared. Forgive them if you can- they are modern day recreations of their own childhood fears.

Now- after reading all of this- You can’t keep going back for more trauma.  Idea The trauma bond must be broken.

After we've let fantasy go- we can turn the focus to healing.  It's good to wonder what our attraction must have been to this person. Whatever clues you have are generally good enough to give you reason that you’ve had experience with this type of personality before- perhaps within your family of origin.

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Radical acceptance comes when you realize that what was mirrored really wasn’t you- it was what *you wanted others to give to you*   It was <> Try to give that to yourself.

Rely on yourself. You’ll have to be your own best friend for awhile to get through this. Try to give yourself a pat on the back. Are you eating? Feed yourself. Are you depressed? Try to get some exercise. Put on dark glasses and a hat take a walk around the block.  No one will know you’ve been crying.

The Borderline experience should have taught you what you value most in yourself.  If you are embarrassed by some things that happened, now is the time to forgive yourself. Do not feel guilty or ashamed of the past. The past is gone. Look ahead.

Take good care of you. In time, you will feel better, I promise.  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)




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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 09:13:55 AM »

Thank you so very much for posting this.  Honestly, it is like God just handed me what I've been searching for, clearly defined and in print so I can truly process everything I've questioned, wondered, and have been working on.  This article/post is word for word, ME.  Tears are merging but they're good tears.  It's been over 25 years of me being this abandoned child-trying to figure her out and myself out--piecing all these topics, feelings, insights, defenses, needs, anger, etc.,together but this article sums it up as a whole.

My biggest "click" in getting all this recently has been understanding that I've been very angry.  And someone wrote to me that anger is selfishness b/c I'm not getting my way.  I asked myself, What was I not getting? The answer is I wanted to be hugged, nurtured, loved... .just like the lonely child. My ex BPD did that for me in the beginning of each of our relationships.  I've also done that dance with my ex-pouring the salts on each other's wounds and everytime I've gone away (to repair my ego) I've said it was NC but when she came around and poured her own salt in me, I got so angry and felt TRAUMATIZED. I felt like I wanted some sort of vengeance-it was an obsession. I've been working on the anger with myself, family, her, God.  It feels good to open these wounds-after the initial hurt.  It's also "clicked" that she never really loved me.  I'm no different than anyone else to her, I'm not this special person who shared a special bond with her(that's why I thought she couldn't let go).  It's just clicked that there is no bond, no love and that "clicking" or understanding to the core, feels really empowering.  I'm breaking that bond and I'm finding more and more ways to help myself get support and stay grounded when I'm feeling "lonely" or triggered.  I'm gonna get there someday... .but it feels really good to finally see the open road.  Thanks.
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 09:35:28 AM »

Wow.


I don't even know what to say.  I am 100% the lonely child, the understanding driven child.  Everything I do in regards to other people begins with trying to understand.  And it usually ends with trying to fix, or at least console.

Just wow.


This is my marriage, in deep and profound words.  Such clarity. 


All I have ever wanted was my wife to try to understand me.  To TRY to understand who I am, what I think, what I feel.

I am at the introspection phase right now, and it freakin' hurts.  God help me, it hurts.  A whirlwind of emotions and thoughts.  I am not remembering the facts of things that have happened... .I am reliving the feelings.



Just wow.

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 09:57:03 AM »

Wow... .this was an awesome read.  It has definatly hit home.  I have been trying very hard lately to not get stuck in the need to be right or wrong when dealing with the BPD in my life.  He seems quite confused with my change in response to criticism, snarkiness, blame and gaslighting.  Confused... .which also means less explosive... .I think because he's not sure it would work the way it use to.
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 10:11:31 AM »

Wow... .this was an awesome read.  It has definatly hit home.  I have been trying very hard lately to not get stuck in the need to be right or wrong when dealing with the BPD in my life.  He seems quite confused with my change in response to criticism, snarkiness, blame and gaslighting.  Confused... .which also means less explosive... .I think because he's not sure it would work the way it use to.

I am right there with you.  I have definitely changed, and I can sense my wife's confusion.  Sometimes, she tries to start something and when I don't seem to respond with any energy there is an almost confused and spiteful look in her eyes.

But she does keep her mouth shut more often... .so I should be happy for that, right?
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2012, 10:20:43 AM »

Yes... .we should be happy about it.  and yet... .in a sense there is a loss.  because I actually have changed.  Its easier to not respond, some because I am learning and growing out of the need to be accepted, pleasing, seen as good or having a point of view that should ALSO be validated... and the other half is simply because I really care a lot less what he thinks anymore.  (that's the sad part cuz shouldn't there be some amount care for our significant other's opinion?)  and yes... I do see the confusion when I say... ."well that's fine, you can think that of me if you choose, I happen to see it differently".  He doesn't know what to do with that because I'm not challenging his perception of me with explainations, pleading to be understood, or trying to convince him otherwise.  SWOE and The Gaslight Effect have helped in immesurable ways to get to the point where I am not trying to convince him of my goodness and acceptability... in his eyes.  I am certainly acceptable and good enough to ME.  And now... .that seems to be enough.  I just hope I don't stop caring all the way to divorce court.  (but then again, if that's where it goes... .I guess I'm okay with that too).
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2012, 02:52:37 PM »

Very interesting explanation of idealization, devaluation, and how one develops into the other.  

I didn't know what the heck was going on during the relationship with my BP, but this definitely clarifies the terrifying situation I found myself in.

It makes me understand the at-the-time totally non-sensical behavior of my BP ex... now I understand why she started crying that day when she was telling me I was spending too much time at her place.  I had no idea what or why she was saying that, at the time I just thought we were spending too much time together and she just needed her space.

Little did I know the true horror of what was actually beginning to make its appearance.  
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2012, 04:11:02 PM »

My goodness, amazing stuff.

Who actually wrote that?
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2012, 05:44:48 PM »

What a brilliant piece.

My whole relationship with my ex has driven me into looking at myself much more, and for the first time in my life I'm starting to see mistakes my parents made in bringing me and (possibly) my sister up.

I remember being envious of my friend once because with both got into trouble about something, his parent's explained to him why the things we did were wrong, I just got a smack and no explanation of why. I remember wishing my parents would of explained to me WHY it was wrong.

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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2012, 06:58:37 PM »

Yep that sounds way too familiar.  Why don't they teach this stuff in school?  I am that lonely child.  Well I better add that to my list for the personal inventory ... .So now after the personality disorder poll I'm a self-centered, criminal wierdo AND lonely this day is getting better by the hour.  I truly understand when the t says its going to get worse before it gets better.

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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2015, 01:59:53 PM »

Amazing!  I don't know how to save a post, so just posting so I can come back to read this again!
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