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« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2018, 05:23:20 AM »

Also, I’ve observed that hes drawn to drama in his life.
Why may that be?
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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2018, 06:57:50 AM »

Also, I’ve observed that hes drawn to drama in his life.
Why may that be?

Hi boogs152,

Do you have an example of this kind of thing?

Off the top of my head I think some people are generally drawn to drama, so to speak, because they are used to that from their family of origin - it can feel more comfortable and "normal" to people.

How do you feel about the comments about your looks?

I don't usually get those, in a negative sense, but once in the last month or two he did make some insults. I personally like myself and his negative opinions mean nothing to me because I know they are stones, and not real. I hope the comments he makes to you  (I assume they are negative) are not dragging you down! 

Are you thinking about doing less of his day to day tasks? It is not BPD related, but my SO is not very good about please and thank you. It drove me nuts for a long, long time. I know how bad it can feel when someone acts entitled or oblivious to the fact you are doing things for them.

wishing you the best, pearl.
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« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2018, 10:14:38 PM »

An example of being drawn to drama may be... .

A legal situation that really should be left alone... .let go... .he pursues.

He goes through “phases” where he refuses to work or pay rent so he goes and sleeps rough on the streets.


I really don’t wish to sound patronising when I explain things. He’s a wonderful person but such situations triggers emotional cycles in him that can be draining.
I don’t try to interfere now. I let him make his own decisions but his decisions affect me.

Sometimes I see him doing things that display a huge amount of self worth issues. Like he’s not worthy of nice things.
It was his birthday recently and I gave him some money for a gift but he decided to spend it on groceries for us.

Anyway that’s my thoughts.

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« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2018, 01:06:21 AM »



Oh also just another thought... .Perhaps a question... .



Can you suggest a productive way of engaging in conversations that may require addressing his destructive behaviours without attaching shame?

Apologies my sentence construction isn’t the best
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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2018, 12:50:40 AM »

With regards to him being overbearing, having a sense of entitlement, and asking you to do things, can you give us an example of something he has asked you to do that you feel you should not have to do for him?

Can you suggest a productive way of engaging in conversations that may require addressing his destructive behaviours without attaching shame?

Can you give us a specific destructive behavior to consider first?  This is a tough one; if we can get specific it might help the discussion.

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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2018, 06:47:02 PM »

Some examples of destructive behaviour he’s displaying may be black and white thinking such as deciding that he no longer wants to pay rent or work so he goes and sleeps on the streets.
He owns only 5-6 items of clothes that are often dirty and covered in paint. He has little interest in wearing clean clothes currently. But in saying that he will eventually come out of that cycle and then only want to wear new clothes that he loves.
I gave him money for his birthday recently. He’s been admiring a certain pair of shoes all year. I wanted him to buy the shoes with the money I gave him  but he decided to spend the money on groceries.

Overbearing behaviours come in cycles too.
Examples may be... .
Asking me constantly to make phone calls on his behalf to banks,lawyers, debt collectors  and family.
He may ask me run and get his jumper or go into a shop and buy him cigarettes or a mobile phone top up.
I’m getting better at boundary setting but it is still challenging and draining when these cycles are happening.

To finish, I wish to say that I love him whether he wears dirty clothes or sleeps on the streets. I’m not particularly concerned with material things either but his behaviour is concerning to me as I worry about his self worth issues amounts other things.
I feel like in this thread that I’m constantly bringing up the challenges with him. There are Many wonderful things about him too. But his behaviour are certainly challenging

Where do I draw the line with BPD? I’m finding that I’m constantly labeling his behaviours and choices on BPD and I don’t think that this productive as he is much more than his BPD. Everything gets blurry sometimes.
Any advice?
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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2018, 09:57:11 PM »

I gave him money for his birthday recently. He’s been admiring a certain pair of shoes all year. I wanted him to buy the shoes with the money I gave him  but he decided to spend the money on groceries.

Where do I draw the line with BPD? I’m finding that I’m constantly labeling his behaviours and choices on BPD and I don’t think that this productive as he is much more than his BPD. Everything gets blurry sometimes.
Any advice?

Hi boogs152,

I am sorry you are experiencing things with your partner that are so difficult and confusing.

I may be missing something here, but can I ask why this money issue would be a problem? I know over the years when I have gotten money as a gift here or there, modest sums, and not in a long time, but I might not spend it on a present either and just use the money for a more practical purpose too. I have certainly had lean times in my life and I don't like to spend money on myself really. Would it be okay with you to just let him spend money as he sees fit? Or next time, if you really want to give him a present, just buy the present and not give him the money?

BPD has a lot of difficulties that go along with it. We know too, that our partners have good qualities, and it is great that you can see that in him! One of the things that can make it hard to leave someone when it might seem, to an outsider, so "obvious" that we should is we also see the good sides. He is absolutely much more than BPD!

I want to ask too, you mention his self-worth being an issue for you... .But his self-worth is not something you have any control over. You can encourage him and boost him up a bit, or try, but how he feels about himself is something he has to take care of for himself, ya know?

When he asks you to make phone calls for him why is he doing so? Does he have anxiety? Does he not feel confident or prepared for such life problems? Can you explain this a bit more please?

warmly, pearl.
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« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2018, 09:45:51 PM »

Thanks for your response Pearl. I appreciate your direct nature as it helps clarify things in my mind.

He appears to have a lot of anxiety around the day to day tasks yes.
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« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2018, 09:10:48 PM »

Some examples of destructive behaviour he’s displaying may be black and white thinking such as deciding that he no longer wants to pay rent or work so he goes and sleeps on the streets.
He owns only 5-6 items of clothes that are often dirty and covered in paint. He has little interest in wearing clean clothes currently. But in saying that he will eventually come out of that cycle and then only want to wear new clothes that he loves.
I gave him money for his birthday recently. He’s been admiring a certain pair of shoes all year. I wanted him to buy the shoes with the money I gave him  but he decided to spend the money on groceries.

I echo pearl's suggestion that if it meant a lot to you to give him the shoes, then buy the shoes.  With his self-worth issues, he may have a very hard time feeling comfortable spending money on himself.  Taking that money and making a purchase of something he wants may seem like a pretty intimidating task to him.  If you buy the gift, it gets around that obstacle.

As for the other destructive behavior, remember that you cannot control his actions or fix him.  I know you may already be well aware of that, but we want to help our pwBPD so much, for me at least, I have to regularly remind myself of that.

Overbearing behaviours come in cycles too.
Examples may be... .
Asking me constantly to make phone calls on his behalf to banks,lawyers, debt collectors  and family.
He may ask me run and get his jumper or go into a shop and buy him cigarettes or a mobile phone top up.
I’m getting better at boundary setting but it is still challenging and draining when these cycles are happening.

Let me recommend a book -- Boundaries, by Cloud & Townsend.  It's heavy on Bible references, but I found it possible to overcome my preference for not mixing religion with other issues, and I got a lot out of it.  They discuss a broader version of boundaries than we typically discuss here.  In particular, they talk about how much we do for other people, and when it is too much.  How do we reconcile our desire to help our loved ones when they need it with our need to look out for ourselves and not inhibit their growth by doing their work for them?  I really think you'd get a lot out of the book, but I'll tip you to what they said about this -- they talk about letting someone carry their "reasonable burdens" by themselves; the everyday burdens that we are all expected to carry.  Then they go on to talk about helping someone with "unreasonable burdens" during exceptional times when the load on them is higher than normal and they need assistance.  If doing things for them that they should be doing for themselves is a way of life, then things are out of whack. 

Are there any things that you'd like to stop doing for him that you might like us to talk through with you?

To finish, I wish to say that I love him whether he wears dirty clothes or sleeps on the streets. I’m not particularly concerned with material things either but his behaviour is concerning to me as I worry about his self worth issues amounts other things.
I feel like in this thread that I’m constantly bringing up the challenges with him. There are Many wonderful things about him too. But his behaviour are certainly challenging
Your love is safe here on Bettering.  The members here find many wonderful qualities in our pwBPD.  So, it's a given that he's got great qualities, but if you'd like to share any of them with us, we'd be happy to listen! 

Where do I draw the line with BPD? I’m finding that I’m constantly labeling his behaviours and choices on BPD and I don’t think that this productive as he is much more than his BPD. Everything gets blurry sometimes.
Any advice?

Understanding BPD lets us see patterns, which helps us to change our behaviors to avoid making things worse.  There is no judgement implied when we talk here about BPD.  Many of us find it helpful to focus on behaviors, theirs and ours, rather than a label.  One of the things we're careful to do here in this community is to treat each pwBPD and each relationship as unique.  We see the common elements, but respect the differences and work to appreciate each situation and person as unique and capable of change.  Does that help?

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