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« on: January 31, 2020, 02:00:04 PM »

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H and I are going to Fl later this week to visit his dad since we didn't see him for Christmas. Will probably see SIL as well.

My MIL asked if she could go too so that she could see the house and if they tried to fix anything (we know they didn't) and to see her granddaughter even though SIL and MIL aren't speaking.

We told her if she went, she would have to coordinate with them to get a ride and for a place to stay since we are staying with H's dad (her ex husband who she is terrified of) and he is picking us up. (Should also be noted that he has been sober for many years now and is not the man they knew when she was married to him/when my H was a kid)

She then asked if he could just pick her up as well and drive her to wherever she wants to stay. I know most of the time, BPD/PTSD defies logic, but does this seem extra strange for a woman to ask this after just expressing fear at going back to her house because of the abuse she received there by the same man?
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2020, 02:29:33 PM »

Spindle what an interesting development.

My MIL asked if she could go too so that she could see the house and if they tried to fix anything (we know they didn't) and to see her granddaughter even though SIL and MIL aren't speaking.

So they're not speaking, but she wants to go scout out the house. I'm not sure I see this going too well. Does she assume that you and H will be there to mediate?

Does this seem extra strange for a woman to ask this after just expressing fear at going back to her house because of the abuse she received there by the same man?

It does. Maybe she feels safe with you in the car? Maybe she's using her fear of him to justify not moving, when she's really just fearful of abandonment and can't verbalize that?

How are you feeling about her coming with you? On the one hand, I can see the possibility of forward movement in her wanting to see the FL house. I also believe I would have looked forward to a trip with my H to get a breather.

Also, I wonder where she plans to stay? I have so many questions.
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2020, 03:47:14 PM »

We've been sitting down everyday and making phone calls and doing research about possible living options. We have been waiting for a call back from one specific person in regard to case management and senior housing in NY. She finally got a call back, but missed it. Yesterday, I offered to call back with her and she said she wasn't ready. I'm not forcing her, but she isn't really acting like she needs to make an urgent decision.

She keeps complaining that my SIL is stalling abd ignoring her with the hope that MIL will drop it and she wont have to make a decision. Fairly certain MIL is doing the same.

It is looking more likely that her only financially sound option is to go to Florida, but whether it is to her own house remains to be seen. If things change after she turns 62, we are open to revisiting the topic, but I don't think we have another year of this in us.

She asked if she never leaves her room if she can stay. Today, I was offered a new part time job and she asked if that meant she didn't have to move.

She also cried a few times because she said we told her before we got married that we wouldn't make her move. BUT a lot of transpired since then, but there is no way to explain that to her.

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So they're not speaking, but she wants to go scout out the house. I'm not sure I see this going too well. Does she assume that you and H will be there to mediate?

This is so weird to my husband I. She typically rejects any idea of seeing him- unless she wants something or sees a way of gaining something in their interaction, but that doesn't happen often. It feels like she has this ssecret plan in her head and doesn't see any logical reason why it is a bad idea. Unless she decides to take back the house or uses this time to find a new place, I don't see any benefit to her going that specific week.

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Also, I wonder where she plans to stay?

She says her house where SIL and triggering partner currently are! She plans on just showing up I guess cause they arent soeaking?

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If she were to move back to the house for now, it wouldn't have to be her permanent FL residence long term right?  If she's considering a senior housing in your area, could it be an option to sell the FL home down the road (so there's not too much change at once right now), and use the income from the sale to move into senior housing in FL

We've actually been toying with this idea!

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  What about managing her bills for her from afar?

My husband said he doesn't feel super comfortable doing it initially. He is inclined to let her do it and if she fails, let her face the consequences. He worries she will see it as him being too controlling and will see it as him taking her money. If she proves she can't do it, then he can take it over or have a third party? I didn't even know that was a thing?

We think we are going to talk to her tonight and give her a deadline for a decision as to where she wants to go. This whole PTSD with the house and her request to ride with ex-husband is really throwing us though .

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does. Maybe she feels safe with you in the car? Maybe she's using her fear of him to justify not moving, when she's really just fearful of abandonment and can't verbalize that?

Maybe? Is there a logical way for us to figure this out- we know she probably won't be able to tell us, but maybe a way to clue in on which one? Or maybe both?


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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2020, 04:40:58 PM »

She keeps complaining that my SIL is stalling abd ignoring her with the hope that MIL will drop it and she wont have to make a decision. Fairly certain MIL is doing the same.

Agree.

Is there a logical way for us to figure this out- we know she probably won't be able to tell us, but maybe a way to clue in on which one? Or maybe both?

I'm not sure there's a way to figure out her motivations, but I would consider going back to what's important to you, and setting things up in a way that you don't become entangled. Prepare for a variety of scenarios, maintain your boundaries, and keep you and hubby in your own yard, so to speak. Is there a chance she assumes you'll 'rescue' her from SIL and the triggering SO? How might you and H respond?

It does sound like she's laying on the guilt pretty thick. I know she's scared. Many adults move during this season of life. She can do it. Maintain your boundary.

Let us know how it goes with the talk tonight.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2020, 10:53:14 AM »

Well, last night was a bit of a disaster, but oddly enough, my husband and I weren't rattled by it. We feel surprisingly calm, and almost humored by it?  Progress, maybe?

Long story short- I hope but I've realized I think I tend to be long winded.

MIL decided not to go to FL because she remembered an upcoming psych appointment and she will run out of meds. So that is a relief.

She was talking about different living options again- now she is thinking about borrowing a family members RV and renting a spot at an RV park 3 min from her actual house. We only half listen to her new plans now.

As we were talking, it was getting kind of late. She was obviously getting tired and was mildly escalating so, I suggested that we pick up the conversation in the morning. I also said something to the effect of how we are running out of time so we can talk about how we are moving forward and when she needs to have a decision by. I didn't really think about how that could be triggering, but I should have just paused the conversation.

She kind of lost her mind. My husband and I were great at trying to use SET, but we were past that point. She started going on and on about some family meeting that she has been asking for where we all sit down and tell SIL and partner that it is my MIL's house and she needs to move out. This is the first we have ever heard of it even though she insists she asks us all the time, but we ignore her. Apparently, she wants me, my husband, my BIL, my SIL and her partner, her 2 parents who she is terrified of, and my other SIL to be there. Approximately 9 people to all tell SIL to move out. 3 who live out of state. This is all, she says, so that my SIL cannot tell any other member of the family her own version of events. (Both SIL's, MIL, MIL's parents all have a way of twisting stories so they look better and the other person is at fault. Very rarely is truth spoken)

She also said my BIL already agreed to this so we are the ones preventing it. We spoke to BIL and he had no clue what we were talking about.

She further said that my BIL also told her that the best place for her is to stay in NY with us. He also never said that. What he said is that he wants her to be happy and wants her to be where she is happiest, but that she seems happiest in FL. It really is interesting how that statement read in her mind as "ah, so he is telling me that staying here is the best place for me."

In spite of her concerns about PTSD, she does seem happiest in FL. But that is besides the point.

She stormed to her room saying she is moving somewhere where no one has to deal with her. We didn't follow.

And that is where we are at. She hasn't left her room yet, so I am sure it will be continued today.

We seem to be in this phase of basically begging to stay here and coming up with crazy ways to make it possible. Never leaving her room. Me getting a secondary part time job affirmed in her mind that she didn't have to leave. She keeps bringing up she has never lived apart from my husband, so why now? (Which isn't even true) Going back to how our marriage ruined everything and we are breaking promises to her we didn't know we made.

Anyway- that's the scoop.  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2020, 02:11:42 PM »

There is a measure of relief when the situation becomes so clearly 'off' that it's easy to see what's going on! Part of what's challenging about BPD is it really makes you question everything. You handled the illogical and untrue fabrications well, Spindle.  Way to go! (click to insert in post)

I'm kind of glad to hear she's exploring more creative options, though I agree, I'm not sure she has any idea what she really wants. How long are you and H willing to continue the current arrangement?

Enjoy your visit in FL. I'm hoping pieces continue to shake loose and fall where they need to.   Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2020, 07:12:32 PM »

Thanks, PJ!

The next night we realized that my mil had accidently missed 11 days of her antidepressant and was taking old diabetes medication in it's place. It explains why her mood was off, but also why we went grocery shopping and she ate nearly everything that should have lasted 5 days in 2!  Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)  Cursing - won't cause site restrictions at Starbucks (click to insert in post)

 
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2020, 12:05:28 PM »

Oh no!   Cursing - won't cause site restrictions at Starbucks (click to insert in post) indeed!  Glad she's back on track.
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