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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: April 23, 2022, 12:56:31 AM »

I'm feeling all the feelings tonight and would appreciate any words of validation or encouragement anyone has to spare. I'm in the later stages of divorce from my husband of 12 years. The last year of our relationship was just an absolute mess. Rollercoaster of suicidal threats, aggression, stress, and emotional abuse. We'd gone through a significant life change that triggered things to escalate quickly. Before that, he'd had a more "quiet" symptoms--I'm seeing now this was mostly due to my own codependency enabling unhealthy dynamics. I'm working on untangling this in therapy.

We've done a lot of back and forth through the divorce process. It's been exhausting, but I own my own part in it. To add to things, I was diagnosed with a serious, chronic health condition during the divorce. It made me freak out and think about reconciling. We talked about this possibility. I do love him and miss many things about our life together. I don't miss the instability, stress and hurt.

My husband was only diagnosed recently and had just started DBT, but quit because he did not feel it was worth his time or effective (I don't think he ever gave it a real chance). He's going to a random therapist now, which I'm glad he has something, but I have zero faith in him getting treatment for his actual concern. I had told him that DBT therapy was non-negotiable to me in any talk of reconciliation. I told him this before he quit the program and he still chose to do it. He said it's unreasonable for me to insist he stays in something that was not working. That was the end of the reconciliation hope for me. If he can't/won't take care of his own significant mental health needs, there's just no way we could realistically work through repairing our relationship that has been badly damaged or that he could long-term support me through my health condition.

My whole support system sees the toll this relationship has taken on my physical and mental health in the last year. They have all shared that they think it's better to leave. I just thought this group might understand difficulty and pain of ending a relationship with a partner with BPD. And how much it hurts when they can't/won't get the help they need. Maybe I'm also looking for validation that I'm not unreasonable for insisting on evidenced based treatment. It's all so overwhelming at times.

Thank you for taking the time to read my rambling post!



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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2022, 01:09:58 AM »

I'm feeling all the feelings tonight and would appreciate any words of validation or encouragement anyone has to spare. I'm in the later stages of divorce from my husband of 12 years. The last year of our relationship was just an absolute mess. Rollercoaster of suicidal threats, aggression, stress, and emotional abuse. We'd gone through a significant life change that triggered things to escalate quickly. Before that, he'd had a more "quiet" symptoms--I'm seeing now this was mostly due to my own codependency enabling unhealthy dynamics. I'm working on untangling this in therapy.

We've done a lot of back and forth through the divorce process. It's been exhausting, but I own my own part in it. To add to things, I was diagnosed with a serious, chronic health condition during the divorce. It made me freak out and think about reconciling. We talked about this possibility. I do love him and miss many things about our life together. I don't miss the instability, stress and hurt.

My husband was only diagnosed recently and had just started DBT, but quit because he did not feel it was worth his time or effective (I don't think he ever gave it a real chance). He's going to a random therapist now, which I'm glad he has something, but I have zero faith in him getting treatment for his actual concern. I had told him that DBT therapy was non-negotiable to me in any talk of reconciliation. I told him this before he quit the program and he still chose to do it. He said it's unreasonable for me to insist he stays in something that was not working. That was the end of the reconciliation hope for me. If he can't/won't take care of his own significant mental health needs, there's just no way we could realistically work through repairing our relationship that has been badly damaged or that he could long-term support me through my health condition.

My whole support system sees the toll this relationship has taken on my physical and mental health in the last year. They have all shared that they think it's better to leave. I just thought this group might understand difficulty and pain of ending a relationship with a partner with BPD. And how much it hurts when they can't/won't get the help they need. Maybe I'm also looking for validation that I'm not unreasonable for insisting on evidenced based treatment. It's all so overwhelming at times.

Thank you for taking the time to read my rambling post!





HH...first, welcome to the FAM.  Welcome new member (click to insert in post). Do not be so hard on yourself. You are certainly not rambling. You are hurt and lost and looking for support so no worries. My dear, with all respect you let it fly and you let this community lift you up. We have your back here. Trust me.

You are not unreasonable at all. Do not entertain the opposite either. That I can assure you on. DBT is where it is at for BPD sufferers. In truth therapy is something I am a huge proponent for as opposed to the standard fare of just put someone on medication and pacify them and have them turn into a zombie or a shell of their former self.

Your approach wasn't and isn't wrong. Your husband unfortunately had his ego bruised and because of that was against the therapy from the start. Therapy only works if you do the work and put in the effort. He did not do that with the DBT. That much is certain. It takes time, but when you have someone who is reticent and unwilling then the process is already doomed to fail from the start.

I am going to tag my team in and you should see some others jump in as well. Please continue to post and vent as much as you need to. Keep your head up. You are going to get through this and you are going to be OK.  Virtual hug (click to insert in post) Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

Cheers and best wishes!

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2022, 07:40:15 AM »


Welcome

So glad you took the brave step to post and also heartened to see you are actively trying to sort out "your side" of things.  (hint..that's all you can really control...as you have unfortunately found out)

Do you feel comfortable revealing more about your health condition?  Do you feel it is being properly treated?

How does that affect your ability to benefit from your T sessions.


Last for now.  What do you expect as a timeline to finish up divorce?  Is that something you would like to discuss here?

Best,

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2022, 11:53:04 AM »

So sorry that you’re suffering on so many fronts.

Absolutely you are correct that treatment from a therapist who doesn’t have working knowledge of BPD is unlikely to be effective and that DBT is the gold standard of BPD treatment. Whether or not this particular therapist is knowledgeable about BPD is irrelevant. You said that your bottom line for reconciliation was that he participate in DBT and he has chosen not to.

Undoubtedly much money is wasted by people with BPD who are in therapy with practitioners who don’t challenge them to make change. That he didn’t give DBT a fair shot seems to indicate he’s not too interested in changing himself.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2022, 12:43:58 PM »

You said that your bottom line for reconciliation was that he participate in DBT and he has chosen not to.

How have you communicated your "bottom line" to him?  What was his response?

Do you think he "believes" you...that this is your bottom line? 

Best,

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2022, 09:34:17 PM »

Thanks to all for the validation and support!

Since posting, the roller coaster continues. In the matter of a week, he asked to speed up the divorce process, told me he was now talking to someone and wanting to date other people, and then texting how much he misses me/wants to be with me. He even said he'd go back to DBT and made an appointment for a different program. I think this last concession was prompted by me not engaging for almost a week. I hope he will engage and benefit, but I'm at the point where I'd have to see it long-term to actually believe it.

We're really just tying up a few things on the divorce process, so maybe 1-2 months.

I'm working on the health stuff. My condition is chronic and degenerative, so it's just about managing what I can with lifestyle and medications as long as I can. Stress management is really important and this divorce has just done a number on me on that front. I know my health makes me vulnerable to believing all the "right words" he can say, rather than seeing his actions for what they are. It's times like these you want your life partner the most and we did have a great friendship before things got unbearably awful. One of the things I'm working on in therapy is letting go of my fantasy of what the relationship could be and looking at what it really was.
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