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« on: June 17, 2013, 04:03:40 PM »

Hello, all.

I'm expecting my first child. My mother has never formally been diagnosed with BPD, but my therapist suggested it as a possibility. From researching on my own and reading books, she seems like a dead ringer for the illness.

I'm usually able to keep myself together, but today was a very hard day.

My step father is bipolar. My mother has gotten very good at manipulating him and anyone else willing to listen into thinking I am a horrible person.

This is what upset me more than anything else that has ever happened before-

As I was walking into my first ultrasound, I received a hateful text from my step dad (It could have been from my mom. She often forces him to say things to other people from his phone). I won't get into the details of what it said. I was quite upset and was in tears.

I never responded. (I never can- when I defend myself, I'm being disrespectful).

Yesterday was Father's Day. I sent my step dad this text:"The last text you sent me was received when I was walking into my first ultrasound. It ruined the experience and I was really heart broken. Don't just assume everything my mom says is true and don't let her ruin our relationship. Happy Father's Day."

He responded, "Thanks." A half hour passes." Your mom won't ruin our relationship. But your disrespect toward her is doing a pretty good job. I don't assume anything. I just see what I see. Also, if you want to clarify anything I'll be happen to listen."

I responded, "Me. No congratulations? No how was the ultrasound? No I'm sorry I happened to say that to you while you were at the ultrasound?"

He didn't respond until today when he sent this e-mail:

"You want congratulations? Well congratulations!

Congratulations on telling your mom she was going to be a "Grammy ," reluctantly, during a conversation about the Honda. My mom threatened to take a car she gave me 7 years ago away, and I told her she needs to stop playing these games because I'm pregnant nowIt ruined the experience for her and she was really heartbroken.

Congratulations on telling your mom about your first ultrasound , which happened about 2 weeks ago!  It ruined the experience for her and she was really heartbroken.

Congratulations on letting your mom know when your due date is. And congratulations on having your husband play dumb like he didn't know the due date when she asked him.  It ruined the experience for her and she was really heartbroken.

Congratulations on making your mom feel like a second class citizen.  Someone not worthy of sharing the joy that having a baby should be.  It ruined the experience for her and she was really heartbroken.

I have known you since you were seven years old. No matter what you tell others your Mom was a great Mom.  She was the ONLY person in your life that fought to give you the best. You were her whole life and I know you realize this, but won't admit it. I don't want you to have regrets later if you don't change your course. Stop the bullhit because you know in your heart the one person who always had your back is her. Someday she won't be here so enjoy the time you have left with her.  Your going to be a Mom now. You will learn quickly what unconditional love is. The love between a Mom and her child. Stop the unhealthy void in your life. You know damn well she will be the best Grandparent a kid could ask for."

I'm guessing she wrote the email.

I'm really heart broken. I'm having trouble keeping it together at work. Maybe it's the pregnancy hormones. Maybe it's the abuse. I just can't take it any more. That's why I joined today.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2013, 06:55:19 PM »

Wanderlustrous,

Welcome

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I'm so sorry you had to deal with this treatment from your mom and stepdad during such a happy and exciting time in your life.

My uBPD/NPDm often sends emails through my dad's computer. And he lets her... . but they don't write the same so I can always tell when it's her. You're probably right that your uBPDm sent it. After therapy and joining this board I was able to get to the point where I could laugh at many of her nasty emails, but that was after years of getting hurtful messages from her, up to and including threats about not going to my wedding, telling me I shouldn't become a mom, etc.

As you've probably already experienced and learned, it seems like BPDs, especially if they have strong narcissist tendencies, really act up at the big milestones in their non-PD family members' lives. Especially, in the case of BPD moms, when it comes to their daughters. Your new status as a mom is probably very threatening to your mom. They know it means you're getting more attention and they will get less, especially when the baby comes along, and it just drives them crazy.

You were right to stick up for yourself, but like you said, you'll never be able to right things because she will never admit she has done anything wrong and you defending yourself is seen as disrespectful. That email makes it clear it was all about her - when she found out she was going to be a grandma - and her "experience" of finding out - as if that is more important than when you and your husband found out you are going to be parents!

I would keep them at arm's length, especially now, when you and your husband should be enjoying this exciting time in your lives and not tolerating any stress that is being imposed on you by thoughtless people, whether or not they are related to you.

Good luck with your pregnancy and congratulations!
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2013, 07:26:10 PM »

Hi Wanderlustrous,

Welcome and congratulations on your pregnancy!   I'm very sorry that you're going through this with your mother and stepfather. It's very normal to want the people you're close to to share in the joy and excitement in your life.

The e-mail you got from your stepfather does send a strong message. It sounds like your stepfather is enmeshed and very much influenced by your mother. What would you like to say to him in return?

skinny13 has a good point: parents with narcissistic tendencies can be threatened by their children's success or milestones. Do you get the impression that your mother wants to be more involved in your pregnancy?Have you thought about how much involvement they'll have with your son or daughter?

I know how hurtful it is to receive messages like that--my father is very co-dependent--but you will get through this. We're here to listen and help. 
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2013, 02:13:56 PM »

 Welcome  Wanderlustrous!

I'm so sorry about what your parents said to you.  That sounds incredibly hurtful, to be on the receiving end of such a vicious, petty attack at a time in your life that should be about joy and celebrating the community around you that is going to support you and your new little one.   

Now is the time to protect yourself and create a safe environment for you to go through this transition in life.  There is no need to defend yourself.  Direct their emails into a junk folder and don't look at them, block them from calling you or just let it go to voicemail, and if you see them in person and they start going off, walk away.  You don't have to take their abuse, and you don't have to fight it.  Just let it go, and separate yourself until you feel safe. 

The most crucial thing may be to accept within yourself that they are never going to be happy for you or support you.   :'(  It's so hard to do, and it's tempting to take the blame for it yourself, but just keep in mind it isn't your fault.  They are just in too much pain themselves to really see you, to love you, or to be happy for you.  It's not right, and you don't deserve it, but nevertheless that's the case.  You probably have other people in your life who ARE there for you, and who DO love you and can unselfishly celebrate with you.  Focus on them.  Don't try to get blood from a stone.  I learned the hard way that expecting my mother to care about anything I did or to ever be happy for me would spark a rage.  After that experience it can be hard to believe anyone can genuinely be there for you, but they can.  Because the problem is with your parents, not you.  Asking them for what they can't give (like sincere congratulations on your pregnancy) is only going to create conflict because you are drawing attention to the fact that they are tragically deficient human beings who are not capable of love.  They realize that on some level (I suspect), and it makes them feel bad.  In their eyes, you are the one that made them feel bad, even though you of course were only asking for loving support from your parents, and so they lash out at you.  You can stop this cycle by not asking them for what they can't give.  This is incredibly difficult, in my experience, because it requires accepting once and for all that your parents aren't capable of loving you the way you need to be loved, but it will minimize the conflict and ultimately bring you some peace as you mourn this loss.  Fighting it drags the pain out over years; facing it head on and grieving what you didn't have allows the pain to fade naturally with time. 

In a way this is the perfect time to work on this issue.  It may be easier to accept the fact that your parents weren't capable of loving you in a healthy way since now you are on the brink of starting a new loving relationship with a new family member!     Everyone says the love you feel as you welcome a new baby changes you forever.  I'm looking forward to experiencing that myself - I'm expecting twins to arrive any day now.  Best wishes for an easy and healthy pregnancy, and come back here for support whenever you need to!
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2013, 02:28:08 PM »

Hi guys! Thanks for the responses. It's really been helpful to know there are people out there willing to listen.

My mom has ruined every major life event. I remember when I was in junior high- I was about to do a performance- and right before I went onstage she told me my cousin might have AIDS. He didn't. By a long shot.

Before I took the LSAT, my mom argued with me for hours on end. I wasn't fighting back. I just took it (as I usually do). I wound up hiding in a room in the hotel we were staying at just to get away from her. She kept me up all night long.

The day I graduated from law school was the most important day of my life. I worked so hard to get there. I was so proud. My mom made up some lie about my dad saying something along the lines of, "I like little girls." Then she through a fit about a bill in public. She embarrassed my dad and he left early. I asked her to leave. It was humiliating. She couldn't keep it together just for a couple of hours.

My wedding- well- that was a joke. I knew she'd act up, so I did everything myself. I went dress shopping without her. I didn't include her in any of the plans. She pouted like a child the entire day. People kept going up to her to ask what was wrong. She was attention starved and needed to be the center of things. She gave me $6,000.00 as a gift that turned into a loan after the fact. I was buying my first home, and she demanded I give her the money immediately- she wouldn't accept installments. I couldn't afford furniture and didn't have much in savings because this gift magically turned loan was a big hit to my pocketbook.

When I took the bar exam, I was living at her house with my husband (mistake). She kicked us out two days before the bar exam. It was horrific. I stayed in a hotel. Luckily, I passed and am I worked attorney.

Now- my first ultrasound. All about her.

I've decided to keep the due date a secret from her so she doesn't show up at the hospital. I'm going to be a protected patient with a code name so she can't get to me or the baby. She's ruined every important day of my life. I won't let her ruin this.

She really wants to be involved in my life and the child's life. I probably wouldn't have told her about the pregnancy but she started threatening to take a car she gifted to me 7 years ago away. I told her, "You can't keep playing these games with me anymore because I'm pregnant." That's how I told her. And she's mad at me because of it. Also, she's mad at me because I didn't tell her first.

She keeps telling me that I'm going to miss her when she's gone. Ever since I've cut all ties from her, my life has been exponentially better. I'm happy now. I don't have guilt or pressure or drama anymore. I just enjoy life. I don't think many people will support me when I say this, but I'll feel relief when my mom dies. I will finally be able move forward and not worry when her next episode will be and how it will affect me.

I'm afraid that by me protecting myself and the baby, she's going to try to hurt me. She's on disability (doesn't need to be, but was a real estate agent who couldn't make ends meet when the housing market crashed) and literally has nothing to do all day. She sits on the phone with anyone willing to listen to hours on end about how terrible I am. These people (my family members) believe her! That's the worse part. I don't have time to call everyone to correct what she's saying about me. I have a life. If they're dumb enough to listen to her, then maybe I'm better off.

I don't have any siblings. I have one cousin I'm close to. He works at a hospital. She'll call his cell phone. Then his work phone. Then page him until he answers her. It's like my family fears her and is intimidated and guilted into listening to her.

Anyways, thanks again for listening you guys. I really appreciate it.

And Cordelia- CONGRATS ON THE TWINS! Holy moly.
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2013, 03:26:46 PM »

Hi Wanderlustrous and  Welcome

My mom has ruined every major life event. I remember when I was in junior high- I was about to do a performance- and right before I went onstage she told me my cousin might have AIDS. He didn't. By a long shot.

Before I took the LSAT, my mom argued with me for hours on end. I wasn't fighting back. I just took it (as I usually do). I wound up hiding in a room in the hotel we were staying at just to get away from her. She kept me up all night long.

This is a very peculiar trait of people with BPD (pwBPD) and this is my best working theory on why they tend to act this way: whenever we have a "major life event" it may be an event that triggers in our BPD loved one feelings of familiarity and possibly intimacy -- after all, these are events which we conventionally share with family.  Sometimes our BPD loved one might even act on these otherwise positive emotions. But what typically follows these emotions are their disordered feelings, their fear of abandonment.

So my understanding is that immediately after they feel particularly close to you such as during an anniversary, or some other "major life event", they also feel this contradictory feeling and fear that we will somehow abandon or betray them.  And it's this *imagined* abandonment or betrayal which drives their vindictive behavior.  And perhaps this is what motivates your mother to sabotage such occasions for you.

The day I graduated from law school was the most important day of my life. I worked so hard to get there. I was so proud. My mom made up some lie about my dad saying something along the lines of, "I like little girls." Then she through a fit about a bill in public. She embarrassed my dad and he left early. I asked her to leave. It was humiliating. She couldn't keep it together just for a couple of hours.

I don't know which is worse: (1) that we continue to set ourselves up to be disappointed by our BPD loved one during these special occasions, or (2) that we stop celebrating such occasions in anticipation of these land mines.  I think it is important that we, ourselves, celebrate such occasions.  But it is unfortunate that we cannot share such occasions with family, or at least not with the family members who react poorly to these occasions, or with family members who will then inadvertently tell the problematic family members about such occasions triggering another set of drama.

In my life, I often have 2 sets of celebration.  One in which my problematic family members are invited, but in which I am prepared for blow-ups, or do what I can to minimizes these blow-ups.  And the second in which I end up only inviting friends who are like my family of choice.  Rarely do I ever allow the two groups to mingle.

My wedding- well- that was a joke. I knew she'd act up, so I did everything myself. I went dress shopping without her. I didn't include her in any of the plans. She pouted like a child the entire day. People kept going up to her to ask what was wrong. She was attention starved and needed to be the center of things. She gave me $6,000.00 as a gift that turned into a loan after the fact. I was buying my first home, and she demanded I give her the money immediately- she wouldn't accept installments. I couldn't afford furniture and didn't have much in savings because this gift magically turned loan was a big hit to my pocketbook.

My parents (and in-laws) practically required me to have a wedding that all but ate up my entire nest-egg savings.  And my parents kept on trying to entice me by offering to pay for part of the expense.  I knew then that if I had accepted their money, I would have invited much grief so I insisted that they just gift me that money as a wedding present if they felt I needed the support.  I never saw a dime of that money.  Moreover I knew no more than 5% of the guests invited to the wedding.  If I had to do it all over again, I would have eloped.

Money exchanges are always problematic with BPD family members.  Gifts are often attached to hidden strings that are mentioned only *after* accepting the gifts.  With gifts that I am suspicious of, I might not even open them in preparation of returning them as soon as a hidden string reveals itself.

When I took the bar exam, I was living at her house with my husband (mistake). She kicked us out two days before the bar exam. It was horrific. I stayed in a hotel. Luckily, I passed and am I worked attorney.

The way this behavior makes sense to me, is that as you approached the date of your bar exam, she probably saw your passing the bar exam as a means by which you would become more independent of her, and thus in her imagination allows you to "abandon" her.  So by kicking you out, she got to "abandon" you first, thereby avoiding her *imagined* abandonment.  And if you were to have failed your exam, it would have served her doubly by keeping you in some way more dependent upon her (and thus, unable to "abandon" her).

Now- my first ultrasound. All about her.

I've decided to keep the due date a secret from her so she doesn't show up at the hospital. I'm going to be a protected patient with a code name so she can't get to me or the baby. She's ruined every important day of my life. I won't let her ruin this.

This is wise of you, but don't underestimate her resourcefulness.  

I imagine that as soon as she finds out where and when you are to give birth, she will find a way to show up.  And what hospital staff would stand in the way of a grand-mother-to-be who is desperate to "assist" her delivering daughter?  I wonder if you might be best served by a C-section delivery in an out of town hospital, perhaps near your in-laws (unless they are equally disordered)?

She really wants to be involved in my life and the child's life. I probably wouldn't have told her about the pregnancy but she started threatening to take a car she gifted to me 7 years ago away. I told her, "You can't keep playing these games with me anymore because I'm pregnant." That's how I told her. And she's mad at me because of it. Also, she's mad at me because I didn't tell her first.  

She will likely do anything and everything to wedge herself between you and your child.  She will *imagine* your child to be the "reason" why you are going to "abandon" or "betray" her.  She may bribe you.  She may do worse.  I have friends who have disordered parents who may be building a case to legally wrest guardianship of their children (grandfather is a lawyer, oy).  If your mother is similarly disorder, I would not put it past her to at least consider that avenue.

She keeps telling me that I'm going to miss her when she's gone. Ever since I've cut all ties from her, my life has been exponentially better. I'm happy now. I don't have guilt or pressure or drama anymore. I just enjoy life. I don't think many people will support me when I say this, but I'll feel relief when my mom dies. I will finally be able move forward and not worry when her next episode will be and how it will affect me.

I think when your mother dies your life will no longer be complicated by her disordered behaviors, and for that you (or anyone in your position) will be thankful.  But also, when she dies, you may find yourself needing to grieve for the loss of the mother you never had, and the childhood that was most likely robbed of you... . and that will make you sad.

I'm afraid that by me protecting myself and the baby, she's going to try to hurt me. She's on disability (doesn't need to be, but was a real estate agent who couldn't make ends meet when the housing market crashed) and literally has nothing to do all day. She sits on the phone with anyone willing to listen to hours on end about how terrible I am.

I hope she is not able to persuade any social workers with her distorted perspective.

These people (my family members) believe her! That's the worse part. I don't have time to call everyone to correct what she's saying about me. I have a life. If they're dumb enough to listen to her, then maybe I'm better off.

It's not just that they believe her.  Your mother has had all her life to master her ability to persuade and manipulate.  She most likely gives your extended family ulterior reasons to subscribe to her crazy: either money, or whatever it is that they might want from her, she will give them so long as they believe her.  And if they don't believe her, she will cut them off.  Any family member who might have an iota of good judgement and critical thinking would have distanced themselves from your mother years ago.

You are in the right place.

Best wishes and congratulations with your pregnancy, Schwing
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2013, 04:20:26 PM »

Oh Wanderlustrous-- as I read through your response, I saw the pain and frustration you must have felt as your mother turned your happy life events into disappointments.   It's very clear to me why you'd want to take some extra precautions to make sure that your delivery is a safe and happy occasion.

Schwing is right that many people with BPD can feel threatened around life events, and perhaps your mother is worried that you'll abandon her after the baby is born, as she might have imagined you would after your wedding or graduation. Those are all major transitions and further show your independence, which is probably driving some of her behavior. That said, it doesn't mean that it's ok for her to sabotage these events.

I think you've taken some good steps to ensure your safety and privacy during delivery. Fortunately, most hospitals have tight security around their L&:) departments, so don't be afraid to enlist the help of the staff there if you feel uncomfortable at all.

Cordelia has a good point, too, in that you really do see everything differently after you become a parent. It was only after my DS was born that I realized how disturbing my mother's behavior can be, and that's really what inspired me to learn about BPD and work on myself. What's really cool is that you can have a healthy parent-child relationship... . with your son or daughter. It's sort of a second chance.

Do you have a support system for after the baby arrives to help you?
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 06:11:12 PM »

Wanderlustrous,

Welcome I just wanted to hop in and welcome you too!   Congratulations on the baby!

Reading your story, I can totally see why you'd want to have a private delivery. I'm sorry for the pain you went through in the past. Now, this is your life, your decision, your child. Smiling (click to insert in post) It's so good that you're choosing to take care of yourself and ensure that your wishes for this big life event are respected.
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2013, 08:10:38 PM »

Hi! I related SOO much to what you said. My "happy" occasions have all been tainted by my jealous, attention starved, unhappy BPD mother as well. I could put together a list very similar to yours. My pregnancies are absolutely by far the WORST though! This is my 3rd(3rd baby BOY :-)) My mother can not stand it that I am pregnant, happy, having a family of my own. She does everything in her power to stress me out. Last pregnancy she went as far as telling me my dad had colon cancer and was dying! Which was a lie! She does everything she can to start fights with me the whole time I am pregnant and then like your mom calls and cries to anyone and everyone that will listen about how horrible I am to her. This is actually the exact reason I came to the board today. She actually told me "please don't have any more children I (IIII) just cant take it again!" She tells everyone how hard MY pregnancy is on HER all time! Meanwhile she does NOTHING and I mean NOTHING for me but call me up and try to stress me out(she is also unemployed with nothing else to focus on) I commend and totally applaud you for taking the precautions you are taking for the day of your birth. It truly will be the happiest most amazing experience of your life... . and no one should ruin it. Your stepfather was right about one thing: "Your going to be a Mom now. You will learn quickly what unconditional love is. The love between a Mom and her child" Its totally true you WILL. And it wasn't until my baby began to get older (my oldest is 4 1/2 now) and I felt what TRUE unconditional love really is that I realized how CONDITIONAL my mothers love for me is and always has been. It wasn't until then that I realized how very flawed her thinking is and how mentally ill she really is. I get mad about it ALL the time still, but am learning that you can not be hurt by the lack of love and support, because she has no capability of giving it to you. When you have your baby and you feel that unconditional love for him/her you almost have to feel bad for them that they cant and haven't experienced it... . because its the best feeling in the world.  CONGRATS on your baby! 
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2013, 11:22:30 AM »

So relieving to see my wedding wasn't the only one ruined by a UNBPD mother. I invited my dad to my wedding, and she spent the entire morning of my wedding day crying and refusing to come if he was going to be there (my dad is a perfectly good man, my mother just obssess over hating him). When I asked if she could please not cry and let just this one day be about me (it was my wedding), she blew up and ran away screaming, "OF COURSE you would want it to be about YOU". My amazing husband found me crying in the kitchen and took me away until it was time for the wedding, my supportive childhood friend (who has watched me deal with this for my entire life), took over making sure the wedding got organized and when I came back, everything went smoothly. My father was able to come, however my mom ruined the entire event with her behavior. Thanks to my friend, I was able to have a good time later.
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