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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: October 30, 2013, 03:12:18 PM »

Been reading about JADE and I understand the intent. My wife was diagnosed with BPD earlier this year - after several years of on and off treatment for severe depression and then a diagnosis of Bipolar Depression. She sees therapists for a short time - several visits - and then gives up on them as being of no help and not as smart as her.

I feel the BPD diagnosis is right on, but she has glossed over it. Her depression is pretty debilitating - and she cannot hold down a job. I work two. I'm quiet and steady. When she is down it seems a good fit, as I am there for her, there to feed our kids and do the dishes etc, when she is unable to do much more than get out of bed. But when she is "up" - or agitated, it is not a good fit. She seems ready for a fight most of the time and will talk herself into one even if I do not engage, usually getting to the point where she claims I don't like her, or think she is a bhit, or else that I just don't challenge or motivate or inspire her, that I am too boring for her and not able to take risks.

She fantasizes about us moving to another country and starting a business together but if I voice anything other than instant excitement about her idea, then I have let her down. If I wonder how we will make money, or how I will make money, as I can't imagine her suddenly changing and being able to work a full time job, then I am letting her down. She will then say pretty hurtful things about me, before eventually cycling to criticism of herself and concluding that she is unworthy of being liked, that I should run away.

I've learned at these times not to engage for my own emotional protection and I can usually see these episodes coming from a ways off, but i am powerless to stop them. Yes, I walk on eggshells.

These attacks used to rattle me and shake my confidence to the point I felt myself wondering if I was the cause of her depression. What am I saying they still rattle me. I've spent the better part of a decade now not voicing my opinions and deferring to hers. I feel so less confident than I did more than a decade ago, when we first met. It s not the direction I want to be moving.
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2013, 03:49:33 PM »

I felt like that as well.  Past tense.  I've gotten to the point where my confidence is fine.  Based on what you've written, it looks like you understand that the problem isn't you which is the first step to regaining your confidence.

While my confidence is fine, my patience is another matter... .
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2013, 03:28:15 PM »

Hi jadedcat,

you certainly did not let your wife down. It is very common that people arriving here are exhausted as they have been supporting their loved ones for a long time and were faced with lots and often increasing demands  .

As HopefulDad said a big part is regenerating yourself. Equally important and maybe even the first step is stopping to bleed energy. Right now you employ some all too common strategies that cost you a lot in self esteem, energy and other resources. They are common as they give you a short term reprieve or they may work sometimes and if one is exhausted and desperate one tends to cling to what worked once.

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She fantasizes about us moving to another country and starting a business together but if I voice anything other than instant excitement about her idea, then I have let her down.

Faking enthusiasm is a natural coping strategy. Showing your true emotions would be invalidating and triggering. But lying about your own emotions is invalidating yourself, hurting yourself and is eroding your self esteem as you are not acting in accordance to your believes.

There is an alternative that is healthy for both sides! Read up on validation, you can find links in the LESSONS ON THE STAYING BOARD. The key is NOT TO FOCUS ON YOUSELF but on HER when responding. The rationale is that she wants to be emotionally understood - the factual understanding is secondary. Instead of answering



  • yeah, your plan moving to the moon sounds great.


answer

  • you are very excited about this move to the moon.


The first is lie going against your best judgment. The second is true. And often she will sense something is off in the first one and just continues to push her point "We must do this next month.". In the second case she may feel understood, regulate a bit and start then wondering "How much will be the one way UHaul for that distance?" i.e. thinking her plan a step further and seeing some minor problems, talking a bit more rational.

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I've learned at these times not to engage for my own emotional protection and I can usually see these episodes coming from a ways off, but i am powerless to stop them.

You can't stop them, only she can. So don't blame yourself. It may however be prudent not to stick around when she is starting to abuse yourself since... .

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She will then say pretty hurtful things about me, before eventually cycling to criticism of herself and concluding that she is unworthy of being liked, that I should run away.

She got a problem with herself. And you being around delays her recognizing it and just leads to unnecessary suffering on both sides. Read up on boundaries (for links see the LESSONs pointer above).

How are your children dealing with the situation?

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2013, 11:07:45 AM »

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. I'll spend some time poking around this site for more advice.

I have two children; she has one. Her daughter is off to college this fall and is mostly OK. My son is also out of the house. My daughter is still in hs and has been voicing some anxieties and seems to prefer staying with with her mother (we share 50/50 custody and usually alternate weeks). I'm worried about her. My son, when he was here, had described the atmosphere as desolate and said it was awful coming home to her still in bed, and even worse to find her up, rocking in a chair and agitated.

I do need to figure out boundaries. I fantasize about a "normal"relationship. I don't fantasize about the future much anymore. It just feels as though it will be more of the same.

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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2013, 03:43:08 PM »

It is important not to try to apply logical responses to illogical "pie in the sky" statements. They speak impulsively and inconsistently. What they want to do today is based on feelings today. Feelings tomorrow will be different so ideas will change.

This means trying to debate ludicrous ideas is a waste of time as they are'nt coming to fruition anyway, so it becomes a conflict you didn't need to have. I halved our conflict by simply not contradicting plans/ideas unless they showed themselves to be more than fleeting.

Not going into JADE becomes a lot more natural when you start to get your self confidence back.

As An0ught points out address the feeling she is expressing not the issue itself. She is expecting you to disagree so if you do she wont trust it and think you are being fake or sarcastic, if you don't it just validates her view that you don't respect her. So show you are listening to the feeling she is expressing as that is what she is really communicating.

She wants to talk, more than she wants to actually do anything. The issue is just a vehicle to express feelings.
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