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« on: December 11, 2013, 09:27:27 AM »

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I stepped in it.  My uBPDw has again begun her never ending search for the job that will make her happy. She has an interview for one. Good? Yes sort of. Its no where near where we live and currently work. When she was looking I made a mistake and said I would be suportive if there were opportunities for me. I emphasised that I like my job and it woud have to me similar to what I do and what I make.   I know see she only heard... "Yes I wil do what ever it takes."

I got the email this morning informing me I am holding her back and itsa not fair that I am saying to her I will need somethign for me. And that I need to take "whatever" so this can happen. She will not go it without me. And that means if I am not 100% on board I am 100% against and sabataging it every atep of the way.  Her exact words "You had better do this because you said you would." 

I was tryign to be reasonable when I said I would be supportive and it would have to include me in the process not just an opportunity for her. Thats how its always been for us. Its either fo rme or for her. We have never had it were we both had a career. Well thet we liked anyway. I guess I would say mostly its been she has not. I don't think its because of anythign but BPD that has made that be the reason for her. She can look back on a job she hated at the time and say "should have stayed there".
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 09:48:23 AM »

Hi Cipher

I don't think you made a mistake.

What ever you will do or say, she can misinterpret it. Don't let her problems with decisions or being autonom or having a career control you.

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 11:41:30 AM »

 I know I in the clear but I need to know that its ok for me to have these feelings. Its ok for me to liek my job when she hates hers. Its ok for me to want to stay put while she wants to leave. I just need to find away I can be supportive that doesn't involve a move and new job for myself.   This is going to make me sick if I let it and right now I'm letting it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2013, 01:35:49 PM »

And how many career changes has she had with moves involved?

Her career is not stable.  Your job/career is stable.  She has no right and no history to support her dictating career moves.

Plus she's trying like h-e-l-l to sabotage your current job with unreasonable demands.  It really places you in a bad position.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2013, 02:15:52 PM »

She fears there are going to be mass firings due to low numbers. I have no idea what to really do here. I am stuck between wanting to help and make it better for her yet it will be at my own cost more than likely.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2013, 02:47:43 PM »

If you move with her to a new place, how long until this happens again?  It's happened before several times, right?

At some point you have to be able to break the cycles in order to have real change.  

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When she was looking I made a mistake and said I would be suportive if there were opportunities for me. I emphasised that I like my job and it woud have to me similar to what I do and what I make

There's nothing wrong with setting a hard boundary and telling her you want to stay where you're at.  

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I was tryign to be reasonable when I said I would be supportive and it would have to include me in the process not just an opportunity for her. Thats how its always been for us. Its either fo rme or for her. We have never had it were we both had a career.

How far has getting reasonable gotten you when trying to deal with her?  What you see as reasonable she sees as loose boundaries, to be pushed against until she gets her way.

Also, I smell words placed in your mouth (the part about only 1 of you being able to have a career at a time), said by her and repeated by you?  Justifications that are used to avoid the truth, which is conveniently posted later in you same paragraph:

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I guess I would say mostly its been she has not. I don't think its because of anythign but BPD that has made that be the reason for her. She can look back on a job she hated at the time and say "should have stayed there".

She sabotages herself due to her behavioral instability.  The truth is there IS opportunity for her where you are, and where you've been in the past.  But she is unable to take advantage of that opportunity, which is on her, not you.

Reasonable, normal, healthy people can understand and deal with "if-then" type statements.  They understand how things can be conditional and can change.  In the black-and-white world of BPD, however, there is no change.  Things are or they aren't.  There's no conditional, no room for "if-then" flexibility.  Things are too rigid in their thinking.  Responding to them in ways that require them to understand something as it's intended, i.e. more complex, conditional, and flexible, is not going to work.  They need to be dealt with in more simple fashion.

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I got the email this morning informing me I am holding her back and itsa not fair that I am saying to her I will need somethign for me.

Engage guilty reaction.  She's lying to you and trying to make you believe it by guilting you.  

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And that I need to take "whatever" so this can happen. She will not go it without me.

It's all about her, and you need to make it all about her is the message.  She's trying to tell you that you are obligated to her even if it means you get hurt.  

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And that means if I am not 100% on board I am 100% against and sabataging it every atep of the way.  Her exact words "You had better do this because you said you would."

All she's capable of is yes you will or no you won't.  She can't think more flexibly than that.  It's part of her disorder.  Expecting her to do different is like expecting her to sprout wings and fly.  There's also an implied threat of punishment if you don't comply.  Engage fear reaction.

It's was hard for me to break it down and see it through the FOG when I was going through this.  That's why I'm breaking it down like I see it based on what you write.  In the end, it's all hogwash.  It stops when you set your boundaries and step out of the cycle and change your own behavior towards her.  You don't have to treat her bad, angry, mean, etc.  You can still do loving things for her, you can still speak to her with compassion, respect, and understanding.  However, this doesn't change until you change your part.  It takes two to go through the abuse cycle, and all it takes to end it is for one person to step out of the cycle and change their own behavior.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2013, 02:51:27 PM »

And how many career changes has she had with moves involved?

Her career is not stable.  Your job/career is stable.  She has no right and no history to support her dictating career moves.

Plus she's trying like h-e-l-l to sabotage your current job with unreasonable demands.  It really places you in a bad position.

I just wanted to say that I totally agree with this.  I think you would be crazy -- gosh, probably shouldn't use that word here, all things considered -- to give up your stable career for this "whim" of hers.  Although the market is improving, the job market still seems to be a bit volatile, and there is no way I would give up a stable job right now without an equivalent one lined up and locked in... .and I would probably hesitate even under those circumstances.  I think this is one of those issues where you are going to have to separate out what's best for you versus what she wants you to do, and cover your own a$$.  I have seen things like this go soo wrong before, where I have given up an opportunity to bank on a new idea of his and it has come back to bite me.  I don't want to see that happen to you.  It's devastating, because in my case when this happened my H offered NO support whatsoever for the consequences I faced by giving up a contract so he could pursue a dream.  It literally became my problem, and then all I heard until the day I secured a new contract was how lazy I was because I wasn't working.  
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2013, 03:01:08 PM »

Thanks all. I put myself in the same situation over and over. I ask for help and support and get it from everyone. Yet don't act on it all the way. 

I am aware now that this is probably another trait/side affect of BPD but I will ask any way.

Anyone else get that when soemthing is not going well for the BPD say at work that the non is keeping them from some form of makeing it better?  Example my wife is telling me she is haing soem difficulties at work and wants to quite before they start letting people go. I don't have an easy answer for her. So I say so.  I get "I see so keep staying in hell is what you want to do. Good plan thanks." 

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2013, 03:17:14 PM »

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Anyone else get that when soemthing is not going well for the BPD say at work that the non is keeping them from some form of makeing it better?  Example my wife is telling me she is haing soem difficulties at work and wants to quite before they start letting people go. I don't have an easy answer for her. So I say so.  I get "I see so keep staying in hell is what you want to do. Good plan thanks."

She's looking for her Knight in Shining Armor to ride in and save her.  When you don't serve that role for her, she feels rejected/abandoned and lashes out in anger.

How are your finances?  Can you make it on a single income (yours)?

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I am aware now that this is probably another trait/side affect of BPD but I will ask any way.

That's what being FOG'd does.  You get conditioned to think/react along certain habits as a survival mechanism.  What you're dealing with is trying to retrain yourself to act against ingrained habits.  It takes a lot of introspection and self assessment.  Honestly, you don't break a bad habit without developing a new habit to replace the old one.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2013, 07:20:41 PM »

Those "No" conversations can be hard.

It's essential in a relationship with someone who sees b&w.

It's ok to feel the way you do. She's not going to like it.  It's okay to have differences - she's also not going to like it.

How about telling her you've thought about it and you've decided you are staying at your  job?  :)oing it with SET might grease the wheels a bit but these tools aren't a cure for her.  

Once you are sure of what you need and want and are willing to let go if things are bad enough usually things change sometimes its the boundary that the other person sees you aren't screwing around and they back down. Other times they are eye ball deep in the emotional distress of the disorder they leave.  And there's radically accepting that the chaos and if you are okay with that.

It really takes getting a good handle on what you are going to do.  Up until then they are leading - and leading BPD first.

Cipher maybe going thru your fears at this point could help you on figuring out where to go from here.  What are your fears if she leaves? What ar your fears if you stay?  

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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2013, 06:25:20 AM »

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How are your finances?  Can you make it on a single income (yours)?

I can make it on my own but I would have to eventually drop the house.

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Cipher maybe going thru your fears at this point could help you on figuring out where to go from here.  What are your fears if she leaves? What ar your fears if you stay?

I hear you loud and clear. I was thinking th same kind of thing. Just face th fear straight on. The argument and fight is going to happen eventually. Might as well get it done up front. I'm not beig honest with her by saying maybe and possible when deep down I know i just don't want to .

My fears if she leaves... .she will find away to get me fired and take away the only normal thing I have that makes sense.  My fears if I stay... .nothing changes and I feel the same way.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2013, 04:30:22 PM »

I can relate to the conflict avoidance.  I had become very conflict avoidant in the relationship too - to my detriment.  It seemed like there was more conflict by not addressing it and it kept growing.  Then when I did it was a big fire instead of a small one.  I needed a fire hose instead or a box or baking soda.  I learned a huge lesson about procrastination.  

I can also relate to the work fear.  It was a big one for me.

So one way is to do the if - then scenario in your head.

What if tries to get you fired?  What do you think she'd do?  And then how would you handle it? (this helps to go thru mock scenarios so it isn't so scary or shocking)

If you had to drop the house, how do you feel about downsizing? 

If you stay what do you think she'll do?  How are you going to respond?  Is it the rage?
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