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« on: May 21, 2014, 09:06:02 AM »

My BPDexw and I divorced back in 2012, but then after a time apart she wanted to try again with me and promised to do therapy and everything (though, not specifically admitting she has BPD).  I was dating someone at the time, but I broke it off with them once she started going to therapy for herself.  To make a long story short, things again went very quickly and very sexually, and within a month or two she invited herself to move back into my house.  Once that happened, it was like a switch flipped.  She was back into the mode of: "everything revolves around me and my needs... . let's see if you are doing enough or if I think you are focusing too much on me.  oh, and by the way you suck at this, right here, so that's why I sit in bed all day.  oh, and don't look over here and get all jealous while I hang out 'just as friends' with the guy I cheated on you with during our marriage.  I dont understand why you don't like it, and I don't really care that it is killing you".

So, the relationship ended.  At first, she said, "I just want to be friends" after I finally told her "enough" regarding her "friendship" with this other man.  She berated me for a good 45 minutes (though, more like a thoughtful lecture) about how I disappointed her again because I went back to being "insecure" and "hesitant" and nervous around her in certain situations, especially in the bedroom.  (Hmm... . maybe because I could tell I was back to being controlled by her vagina).  Anyway, I was heart-broken.  There was, of course, partial truth to what she said, but of course she owned zero responsibility for being any different or acting in ways that caused that kind of doubt and confusion in me.  However, the next day I found out from a former house-guest a lot more things, including drunken fooling around with this guy and with our son's 18 year old friend (which our son had to witness, but completely avoided talking about or feeling anything about because he is totally wrapped around his mom's finger, still).  That was it.  I told her to get out. 

It took me 3 months to get her out.  Over three months.  I tried being nice.  I tried giving her time to pay off the thousands in debt she racked up in the short months that we were back together.  She did that, and then there were just more excuses, more reasons why she couldn't yet.  Couldn't find a place.  Didn't have money (keep in mind, she paid no bills except her own expenses, and I still paid her child and spousal support the ENTIRE time she lived with me, thinking I was helping her out).  I started the eviction process to get her out.  I kept away from her as much as possible, unless there were witnesses around, so that I could avoid her doing another false restraining order on me to gain control.

So... . she's out of my house.  Praise God!  Hehe.  But we have kids, so I still have to deal with her. She is living at her sister's house.  Well, recently her sister's ex husband went over there and got into a fight with her sister.  My ex got involved and was threatened and physically assaulted, right in front of her sister's kids and my kids.  My ex did the right thing by letting me keep the kids with me, even though it is her week to have them.  But it concerns me.  It isn't her fault that this guy is a psycho.  However, he was mainly upset with my ex because his teen daughter tells him that my ex brings guys over to the house. 

Now, he remembers back 4 years ago when my ex lived over there during one of our divorce attempts, when she was having an affair with this same guy.  Of course, she told everyone he was her "gay friend".  I eventually found out and kicked her out legally, but she begged me not to tell her family because they would reject her.  So I didn't (remember, I was still under the guise that everything is everybody else's fault when it comes to her and her family are evil, unloving people).  However, they figured it out when her sister's kids and brother heard her humping this guy in the bedroom while they were all out in the living room watching cartoons.  My ex denies that to this day, but you know... . they were pretty sure of what they heard, and they all figured it out somehow.  I didn't tell them.

So, fastforward to today.  I'm trying to deal with my anger and my own frustrations of my ex wife involving my children with other men and exposing them to inappropriate things.  There is a carnival in town this weekend, and though the kids are with me she wants to take them.  I said "fine", of course.  But then she said she wants me to go with her for protecting, in case her sister's ex husband is there and tries to hurt her.  I didn't respond.  A few minutes later she texts me and says, "If you don't want to go with me, I'll have to bring a guy friend with me for protection."  Obviously, she's trying to hook me into jumping in there and saying "No, wait... . I'll go."  I told her I don't care and that yes, I'd rather not go with her.  She misunderstood and asked me to clarify.  I told her I don't care if she brings some dude, though the girls might, so long as she is not exposing them to something inappropriate.

This, of course, prompted a multi-message response telling me how "one day" I'll see that she is a wonderful mother to these kids and always protects them and puts them first.  Blah blah blah.  I wrote back and just said, "I was just making a general statement... . I don't care what you do, and I would only care if they were being exposed to something inappropriate".  Of course, this is a half truth.  This incident with her sister's violent ex husband raised concerns again about what she does with people (including childrent) around.

So why am I writing all of this?  What's the point? Well, partly I'm venting Smiling (click to insert in post).  But partly, I'm having a difficult time detaching from this stuff.  I rightly did not allow her to manipulate me into going to the carnival with her, but then I feel badly for making a statement about her exposing the kids to bad things because it obviously struck a nerve.  Yet at the same time, I have every reason to be concerned.  Just lots of conflicting feelings.  I don't want to be MEAN toward her, but I know that my compassion toward her is a hook she feeds on and tries to pull on, so I generally keep it under wraps.

Any suggestions or similar stories from anyone?  Is it just a matter of time and progressing on the path?

I have to admit that it does piss me off thinking of her with other guys, and I don't want it to.  I don't want to care.  I've had my "care" about her be the source of simply too much pain and suffering over the years.  Way too much.  And she is blind to what she is.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2014, 09:37:51 AM »

And as you can probably guess, I'm feeling pretty angry and resentful at the moment.  I know by later today, I will feel better (which is a huge improvement from times past), but it still gets to me.  I wish it did not.
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2014, 11:30:26 AM »

So why am I writing all of this?  What's the point? Well, partly I'm venting Smiling (click to insert in post).  But partly, I'm having a difficult time detaching from this stuff.  I rightly did not allow her to manipulate me into going to the carnival with her, but then I feel badly for making a statement about her exposing the kids to bad things because it obviously struck a nerve.  Yet at the same time, I have every reason to be concerned.  Just lots of conflicting feelings.  I don't want to be MEAN toward her, but I know that my compassion toward her is a hook she feeds on and tries to pull on, so I generally keep it under wraps.

Any suggestions or similar stories from anyone?  Is it just a matter of time and progressing on the path?

I have to admit that it does piss me off thinking of her with other guys, and I don't want it to.  I don't want to care.  I've had my "care" about her be the source of simply too much pain and suffering over the years.  Way too much.  And she is blind to what she is.

Venting is good, particularly if here.   We all need to share our stories, and I completely appreciate how much you have been through.   Your children are very lucky to have you so present in their lives.

Because you have kids, obviously, contact with your ex (or LC) is required.  I am also a divorced dad negotiating the challenges of joint custody and trying to avoid the emotional reactivity that marked my marriage.  As a footnote, my BPD relationship was post-divorce, so I am not sure I have disorder-specific advice.  That said, now several years beyond divorce, I realize that most emotional reactivity I  had in my marriage is gone.   And I'm grateful for that.   

Knowing your boundaries and triggers is important.  Sometimes navigating joint custody is being at the mercy of the waves.  I can only "control" what goes on in my house.   That said, if something strikes me as troubling, I do say something -- usually via e-mail in a respectful, non-emotional, factual tone.   Some of the best advice I got came from a friend who used the acronym "BIF" -- meaning, all communications should be "brief, informative, and friendly."   I try to remove emotion from communications.

Don't beat yourself up for "letting" things get to you.  I'm learning that it's better to "feel" than to repress or numb or indulge.   You're human, and you want what's best for your kids and yourself.   

Your compassion, even if manipulated to some degree, will be seen by your kids.  And that's a huge gift to them.

Hope that's helpful in some way.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2014, 11:52:46 AM »

LettingGo14, thank you.  Yes, that was helpful.

I was able to pick myself back up a bit this morning, which is proof that the right kind of therapy truly can help!  I could not do that a year or two ago.  I would ruminate and brood incressantly.  I realize that my brooding is essentially me emotionally entertaining the mess and holding onto her.  I have been hurt terribly, but I don't *really* want her to be hurt.  I wish her peace and I let her go.  I just want my own space and my own life and for her to leave me alone.

As for that other guy... . in this mindset I feel badly for him.  Sure, he is probably having the best sex of his life at the moment, but he's duped.  And its like watching a dumb person stick their hand into a meat grinder.  I ended things with her and shut her out for reasons, very real reasons: the cost of being with her is TOO HIGH.

The thing you said about being able to really only control what happens in my own house is really good.  It is a good reminder to put my focus there.  It is not that what happens when the kids are with her is not important.  It is that I should put my main focus on what I CAN do and what I CAN control.  This home is my domain, as it should be.  And I will make it what it should be for my kids as best as I can.  That is worth a lot, I believe.

And yes, compassion is good.  The kids need to see me at peace toward her.  Which means I need to continue on the path of letting her go and focusing on my own life.  I sometimes confuse true compassion for the "awwwwwww" that you feel when you feel them trying to suck you back in and play on your emotions.  They aren't the same.  I can feel compassion toward her without being overcome with sentimental and anxious feelings.

The BIF thing is good, too.  I make a point of avoiding all communication that is personal in nature.  If she texts me about personal things, I don't respond.  If she calls me up and wants to talk about all the great things going on in her life and how happy she is, I'm running errands or doing something with the kids.  If I could ever explain to the REAL her why I do that, so that she would get it, I would just tell her that I can't.  I can't go back to the craziness, to the delusion of being wrapped up in her smile with a dopey kind of fake compassion that is more like numb indulgence and slavery.  I won't go back.  She is not invited back in.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2014, 12:12:21 PM »

Mathetes76,

That's a very self-aware reply.  Thank you for writing it.  It gives me great perspective as well.

You have established clear boundaries, especially emotionally.  That's something I am working on, and I appreciate your examples.
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