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« on: August 28, 2014, 03:19:08 PM »

I just read this repost from the Idealization Workshop a few years ago on another thread.  This is likely the most poignant encapsulation of what we all have been struggling to understand.  And exactly what happened and why.  Tearful as I read. Deeply felt:

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The idealisation phase is the BPD being in the abused child stance ~ the one that needs saving and we do.

The idealization phase is the partner being in lonely child stance and the Borderline being in abandoned child stance.*Both need saving* Both need attachment to stave off the pain of being alone.

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Lack of inherent trust then causes the BPD to devalue because the trust developed in the idealisation phase slowly erodes ~ they don't trust it due to the own core trauma.


Both people bring core trauma to the relationship. Mirroring reenacts the earliest childhood experiences to rise up and emerge into consciousness.

In idealization, there is a dual identification and projection for both people that they have found a perfect love- however, one partner (the “lonely child”) does not yet realize that the other partner (the abandoned child= Borderline) has no whole self- and is utilizing a fantasy of a part-time good in order to fuse with the partner's part time good and become one.

The lonely child has spent much of their life becoming “one.”  When a lonely child finds an abandoned child, both parties feel needed. However, rather than truly loving the individuality of both parties- the sad, fantasy aspect of mirroring magnifies the unhealthy *needs* of both people.

When the lonely child begins to question the reality of mirroring (reality testing) this raises core traumas into activation concerning both the questioning (uncertainty) and the hope (unfulfilled expectations) of the unrealistic attachment. "Lack of inherent trust" is found in both parties at this stage.

Reality testing causes the lonely child to pull away because certain things don't add up- as you say, "the idealization phase slowly erodes."

Pulling away, even while in the lap of comfortable luxury- triggers the abandoned child issues of the Borderline. This causes panic reactions of clinging behaviors by the Borderline to prevent the retreat of their desired love object. These immature demands can look like entitlement to others, especially to a lonely child, who has learned early on to be self sufficient and to self soothe- but the entitlement markers are highly charged and emotional to a Borderline, which isn’t Narcissistic grandiosity- it’s ego deficiency and panic.

The entitlement phase brings a hidden "angry and aggressive child" out from hibernation and into full view and this usually occurs when the lonely child least expects it.  The angry child that emerges is pissed and has delusions of persecution that are ideas of reference from earlier childhood trauma. It’s at this point that the angry child (Borderline) will become enraged and try to cast off shame.  They may attempt to harm himself/herself in order to scapegoat the lonely child- who unwittingly stands-in for the earliest attachment.  This triggers the lonely child's trauma from their earliest attachment as well.

The Borderline wants so badly to be whole that they demand that the lonely child create wholeness for them- which the partner succeeds in doing early on but then relaxes. The Borderline temper tantrum, with its ideas of reference being so very childlike and fantastic, perceives the relaxation of the partner as though the attachment is split up. In order to cope, the Borderline must now find another part time perceived good object to self medicate the emotions of feeling badly from the split.  If this cannot be accomplished, the surge of limbic fear concerning anger and abandonment causes such great pain that self harm is often inflicted for relief.

The lonely child is often very surprised by this. The anger and dysregulation are in contrast to what he/she perceives are necessary for the circumstances. (The lonely child fails to see need disguised as "love."  Therefore, the lonely child seeks to understand the Borderlines ideas of reference concerning "love" in order to cope with the neediness and begins a line of questioning.  The Borderline retreats.

Lonely child is "understanding driven" and gets drawn into the Borderline acting out. The lonely child now has a mystery- the Borderline dilemma of "who am I?" This is very likely the same way that the lonely child came into existence as an “understanding driven” child. Especially when he questioned the motives of his earliest attachments during infancy and adolescence.

The lonely child *understands* the need to be held, loved and understood – because that’s what he longs for in others. The lonely child feels that in order to deal with acting out of the Borderline- the lonely child must project the aura of grace, compassion and understanding upon the Borderline and also guide, teach and show the way- because after all, that’s what the lonely child would want someone to do for him. There was a large reason that the initial mirroring (of this fixer /rescuer ego) worked so well in the idealization stage- the relationship really WAS the projection of lonely child that was mirrored, not the deficient ego of the Borderline.

In the "upside down" world of the Borderline, the lonely child is the perfect attachment to fuse to and the hypersensitive Borderline is the perfect mystery for the lonely child to try to understand.  This is the reactivation of a childhood dynamic- that forms a needy bond.

The Borderline is a perfect template with which to Header and identify with as a good object and also one to invest in to feel better about the “self.”

The understanding driven lonely child "imagines" (projects) onto the Borderline what he/she feels the Borderline identifies with. The lonely child often fills in the blanks with projective identification and the Borderline attempts to absorbs this- but it's impossible to appear as a self-directed person while taking cues and mirroring another self directed partner.

The Borderline scrambles to keep up with what is projected in a chameleon like manner.  All of this pressure to adapt and conform to the projection smothers and defeats the Borderline’s yearning for a perfect bond and triggers engulfment failure. 

Engulfment also means loss of control, annihilation fantasies and shame.  Shame activates the punitive parent that resides in their inner world, their psyche. The attachment failure has now become shame based for the Borderline.  It will soon become guilt driven for the lonely child partner.

Engulfment makes Borderlines very frustrated and angry- but Borderlines fear abandonment and choose to stuff away their fear and compulsively attempt to manage their pain. The impulsive gestures are a form of self harm that fixes the bond in a permanent chaos of action/reaction. 

Borderlines can be avoidant and passive aggressive and will do everything in their power to hide their strong emotions until they implode.  They swing wildly from abandoned child to angry child until they deflate into detached protector- who is basically a mute that doesn’t speak- or worse, speaks in word salad when confronted.

The swinging dysregulation pattern is unable to be separated and individuated and self directed. Because it cannot be self directed, it cannot be self soothed. There is no ability to defer these emotions to logic and reasoning with introspection *without* another person to blame.  This is where Borderlines are showing you the maturity stage at which they are developmentally arrested and remain stuck and frightened.

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Devaluing is the BPD going into the punitive parent role to switch up the control ~ control was relinquished in the idealisation phase so we will attach. The further along we get in the rs ~ the BPD then feels like we are the persecutor for their failing part time self ~ devalue. Devaluing is more about projection ~ because there failing self makes them feel woeful, scared, fearful.


We all have punitive parents that exist in our heads. This is our Superego.  The criticism felt by both parties exists as guilt and shame inside our heads. This tape plays over and over and is a re-working of former traumas. It is also a huge part of what makes complementary traumas so attractive as binding agents to each other.  The lonely child has the “tyrannical shoulds” while the abandoned child has defectiveness schema- together they interact and drive each other crazy.

The understanding driven child cannot fathom how another human being does not have a “self.”  The understanding driven child has had much childhood experience with strong selves and has created a self to understand the motives of others. Lonely children have a need to have some sort of control over their destiny because so much was out of control in their childhood.

The Borderline’s idea of destiny is being attached to others for protection. The Borderline cannot fathom what it means to have a stand alone “self.”

Both parties are human “doing” for others rather than being- but there is more impulsivity in Borderline in the “offering” of themselves as objects.  (The lonely child is very particular concerning who he gives his heart to and makes decisions based upon careful consideration.)

The failure to find a healthy mature love activates the punitive parent in both people’s psyche- one for persecution and the other for failure to understand others (cloaked in rescuing behaviors)- this is the “flea” of each others psychiatric trauma that really is a very strong obsessive bond, and one of endless victimization for both parties unless one or the other becomes understanding driven toward self direction.  Guess who has the best chance?  Unfortunately, the mirrored good that the Borderline provided was a very strong drug- and the obsession is outwardly projected (as it always has been) by the lonely child in order to understand and consequently, control it.

It’s at this point that spying, engaging in testing and push/pull behaviors occur as both parties fight for control. Each pours salt in the others core wound.

The understanding driven child tries to understand the Borderline and the Borderline feels misunderstood and persecuted. The understanding driven child retreats to repair their ego and the Borderline lashes out and tries to shame him. The pendulum swings back and forth in clinging and hating and disordered thought and chaos. 

The lonely child tries to uncover what they think the Borderline is hiding from them (triggering bouts of paranoia) or missing (creating dependency issues.)  The angry child threatens to destroy the relationship (as well as themselves = self harm) which triggers immense anger and outrage for both parties. Their love object is broken.

Both parties are in pain- and their egos are easy to "pinch" because they both fear abandonment.   At this point, both core traumas are exposed and the partners are no longer interacting with each other except to arouse each other’s trauma wounds from childhood.

The false self of the lonely child, that the Borderline mirrored, has more ego- as it is directly tied to a “self” which involves coping mechanisms from childhood that mirrored back good.  It was a self that was capable and seeming to have all the answers in the beginning.  When the Borderline tries to destroy it as a failed attachment, it begins to crumble and the lonely child retreats and tries to repair it- essentially wounded to the core. This is also part and parcel of the injury of the smear campaign- and the lonely child may try to return to defend the "self" from being attacked.

Trauma for the lonely child occurs mainly because of perceived failure they cannot “understand” enough (essentially an obsession at this point) and trauma for the Borderline occurs because of anger and abandonment and shame that existed since infancy- and persecution by their inner parent superego for not becoming whole. 

At this point, both parties feel like failures.

Unfortunately, the repair for the lonely child’s self consists of trying again to fix the Borderline "mirror" to reflect the good.  Many attempts will be made by the lonely child (once again) to effect an outcome other than the failed attachment.  The lonely child will try to re-build the self and get the love object (Borderline) to return and resume their compliant mirroring.

Eventually, the fantasy begins to unravel for the lonely child, that they are alone- and the person that the lonely child fell in love with, (the person in the mirror,) was actually YOU.

Who really is the Borderline? Someone who needed you for awhile because they were scared to be alone.

They’re still scared. Forgive them if you can- they are modern day recreations of their own childhood fears.

Now- after reading all of this- You can’t keep going back for more trauma.   The trauma bond must be broken.

After we've let fantasy go- we can turn the focus to healing.  It's good to wonder what our attraction must have been to this person. Whatever clues you have are generally good enough to give you reason that you’ve had experience with this type of personality before- perhaps within your family of origin.

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Radical acceptance comes when you realize that what was mirrored really wasn’t you- it was what *you wanted others to give to you*   It was <> Try to give that to yourself.

Rely on yourself. You’ll have to be your own best friend for awhile to get through this. Try to give yourself a pat on the back. Are you eating? Feed yourself. Are you depressed? Try to get some exercise. Put on dark glasses and a hat take a walk around the block.  No one will know you’ve been crying.

The Borderline experience should have taught you what you value most in yourself.  If you are embarrassed by some things that happened, now is the time to forgive yourself. Do not feel guilty or ashamed of the past. The past is gone. Look ahead.

Take good care of you. In time, you will feel better, I promise.   

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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2014, 04:16:23 PM »

Powerful stuff, I keep reading stuff like this and it's like I have to relearn it thousands of times. I couldn't help but get choke up at how dysfunctional and hopeless it all was. And at how sad the borderline's state of mind is. I always seem to empathize with her, but not with myself. Thanks for the post.
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2014, 04:38:59 PM »

Powerful stuff, I keep reading stuff like this and it's like I have to relearn it thousands of times. I couldn't help but get choke up at how dysfunctional and hopeless it all was. And at how sad the borderline's state of mind is. I always seem to empathize with her, but not with myself. Thanks for the post.

Building... .that was a VERY powerful introspective.  And sad. Yes. Sad bc it gleams the reasons we kept going back for more, to try to " understand" that which was not understandable at the time.  Sad bc it validates much in answering the whys, that closure we were never going to get from our pBPD. Sad bc it takes the final hope and points to the fantasy and toxicity and chaos. 

I, too, feel  great empathy for the borderline and for us here after reading that post. It really answers a great deal. Like reliving much of the r/s and much else.

  And I hope gives that hope back to us here that we do have the better odds of looking in, learning, and doing what we need to do going forward in self love and acceptance.
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2014, 04:47:20 PM »

Wow, the light bulb came on!

I had a passing thoughts that, yes, she was mirroring me, so, I must love myself.

Then, it just hit me, my wife has been mirroring me and all of our friends for years!

She put me on the pedestal and told me how great the marriage would be.

The showered me with sex and attention, like the other newlyweds we knew.

Then, we moved to the suburbs in a neighborhood of very frigid women who didn't like their husbands much.  Next thing I knew, I was one of those husbands who wasn't permitted to have sex with his wife.

It's interesting... .

What I thought was real about her wasn't.  She changes as she sees fit to the people around her.  She has to belong to the group.  She has to have people that she calls friends.

The women that she mirrored after we moved into our house were very critical of each other.  My wife must have been terrified to face their disapproval.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2014, 04:53:07 PM »

Thank you very much Caredverymuch, I had not read this before! It made me cry a bit too. However, definitely what I needed for myself today! 

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2014, 05:13:11 PM »

Wow, that is a lot to comprehend, I will have to read it again a few more times to really absorb everything.  It is funny, my ex and I would say how we felt we had met to heal each other (we said this early on in our r/s) as we both had such traumatic childhoods.  At the time I had no idea just how much healing I was going to have to face but he has exposed so much that was under the surface.  I had no idea. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2014, 06:04:09 PM »

Wow, that is a lot to comprehend, I will have to read it again a few more times to really absorb everything.  It is funny, my ex and I would say how we felt we had met to heal each other (we said this early on in our r/s) as we both had such traumatic childhoods.  At the time I had no idea just how much healing I was going to have to face but he has exposed so much that was under the surface.  I had no idea. 

This original post is truly a lot to comprehend. Re-read several times as I have. And perhaps print as I have.

Can anyone else join me in saying we are in control, good, giving, respectable, very present, understanding and very caring ppl who do have a sense of self and who can now understand why this r/s has caused us so much pain? 

I'll go first.

I understand.

I am the lonely child.

But, I don't have to remain the lonely child.

Bc this experience allowed me to know me better. And now, I can be a better.

Me.

Bc I am a learning to love myself for being the incredibly valued and caring and loving and one of a kind person that I am.

And just bc somewhere in my life.

I was lead to believe this wasn't true.

Now, I know it is true.

I know who I am.

I like who I am. 

And thats what matters most.

And thats what this very, very  painful experience is teaching me.

And I.

Will be.

Okay.



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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2014, 04:31:58 AM »

This is exactly the dynamic of what played out in the case of my exBPDh and myself.

I think due to the extent of damage in him (low functioning BPD) and the extent of my codependency and the way our marriage/relationship imploded and collapsed from day 1, it all came to as rapid an ending as it had come to an instant beginning.

From nothing to nothing.

This is why I guess we did not get hooked into each other's core wound/trauma and recycle over and over again.

It was all just too dysfunctional, damaged and non-sustainable from the outset.

I am grateful not to have had to endure more of the chaotic dynamic between us other than the almost a year I have had.

The learnings are immense for me.
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2014, 08:17:30 AM »

Wow, that is/was my relationship right there!

Im gonna bookmark this and re-read it a couple of more times... .

Very insightfull! Thank you!

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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2014, 09:38:31 AM »

Amazing post! Thank you for sharing this... .it explains so much for myself and i'm sure for a lot of people out here.

I reconize so much in the part of the *lonely understanding-driven child* and played the push/pull dance over and over again without knowing and trying to understand it. This gives the answers of the intensity of this r/s experience.

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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2014, 01:59:09 PM »

Wow, the light bulb came on!

I had a passing thoughts that, yes, she was mirroring me, so, I must love myself.

Then, it just hit me, my wife has been mirroring me and all of our friends for years!

She put me on the pedestal and told me how great the marriage would be.

The showered me with sex and attention, like the other newlyweds we knew.

Then, we moved to the suburbs in a neighborhood of very frigid women who didn't like their husbands much.  Next thing I knew, I was one of those husbands who wasn't permitted to have sex with his wife.

It's interesting... .

What I thought was real about her wasn't.  She changes as she sees fit to the people around her.  She has to belong to the group.  She has to have people that she calls friends.

The women that she mirrored after we moved into our house were very critical of each other.  My wife must have been terrified to face their disapproval.

The idealisation stage was a very potent drug for me too. I was neglected as a child. Very lonely times. And I had lacked mirroring from an early age. My mother was depressed. When my ex showered me in attention and care, someone at last was caring for me like no one before. I mean during the honeymoon phases (and they were three as we broke-up three times - 3 months, 1.5 month, 3 months) I felt I could conquer the world. I though that I hadn't lived before I met her and that now that I did my REAL life would start. Little did I know that some sort of drug (dopamine? endorphine? something great in -ine) was hitting my brain. I sometimes wonder if it is simple addiction and may have nothing to do with them. Simple addiction. I felt I could achieve everything at the time. I never felt so good with myself before. I suffered from mild depression all my life. With her my grey world become colourful. And then she took the drug away. And I had to keep coming back for more.

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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2014, 02:26:25 PM »

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Frankly, around the passage I quote I think this text is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. Who is the recipent of the text? People who have left borderline relationships and are in pain? Is it a good advice to "stop believing you've never been treated so badly" and start searching for respressed childhood memories?

We need to know a little bit more about the individual and his situation before we hand out such advice, because there is no research out there to support the assumption that there is some kind of childhood trauma that makes people end up in BPD relationships.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2014, 02:36:18 PM »

Stop yourself from thinking that you’ve never been treated so poorly before this relationship. When you catch yourself saying you can't believe it. Stop and think. Chances are- you’ve just chosen to repress a few circumstances from childhood that were traumatic. Now the feelings are back on the surface and you’re going to have to address them.

Introspection involves a great pain. Let those feelings come up. Journal your thoughts when you feel anxious. Learn about yourself. We must address the pain from our childhood that has been left unresolved for too long. We cannot escape from pain if we are to have personal growth- and you've got to get this relationship out of the way in order to get at the real hurt.

Frankly, around the passage I quote I think this text is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. Who is the recipent of the text? People who have left borderline relationships and are in pain? Is it a good advice to "stop believing you've never been treated so badly" and start searching for respressed childhood memories?

We need to know a little bit more about the individual and his situation before we hand out such advice, because there is no research out there to support the assumption that there is some kind of childhood trauma that makes people end up in BPD relationships.

Hi herge, I do not know who authored this passage but I found it very helpful to me. I continually was searching for understanding during the r/s. In fact I would so often ask just that to my ex: help me understand why you are treating me this way? What is making you feel you want to cut me out of your life when you dragged me so deeply in to this intense point? 

Childhood trauma may not be a reason we "entered " a r/s with a pBPD at all.  But there is a reason we stayed during the latter phases.  This passage was a gentle way of helping me affirm why I did.
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2014, 02:04:58 AM »

cmv  thank you for the post. I never read that before and it is making  me realize the dynamics that brought me into a relationship with her. we both triggered one another I was the lonely one but once  I reality tested the fantasy chaos is that came with pain. now things  are calm and learning more of myself and being aware is a great feeling. very helpful thanks!
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2014, 06:52:56 AM »

cmv  thank you for the post. I never read that before and it is making  me realize the dynamics that brought me into a relationship with her. we both triggered one another I was the lonely one but once  I reality tested the fantasy chaos is that came with pain. now things  are calm and learning more of myself and being aware is a great feeling. very helpful thanks!

Tolou, Im glad things are calmer now for you.  That's one gift of getting off the roller coaster.

Many (including myself) have a hard time identifying any real reason that these toxic bonds formed beyond a sense of love.  I kept wondering how an in control, independent and confident person like myself could have fallen so deeply down this hole when never in my life had I ever been so dependent on a r/s, let alone not in control of myself.

Reading more about the lonely child tendencies made a great deal of sense.  There is nothing wrong with seeing ourselves in analogies like this. We tend to feel it's labeling.  It's not. It's learning. It actually is self love.  It doesn't mean there is anything wrong with us.

For me, the whole BPD r/s was like a crime of sorts. Not bc it was entirely his "fault". More so bc he really did know me, a happy and an okay person. Not looking to change any part of that me and for a very long time, keeping my "control" if you will in being a mature and realistic and fully functioning independent person. I think that's why he was so allured with me. I was everything he was not. I just didn't know it at the time.

The crime was that he took full advantage of all of that and then exploited it all.  That smacks of insensitivity and selfishness and so much more. Like a thief. A con. That's how it felt to me. Still does.

The lonely child in me bonded so deeply to not only the adoration and mutuality of who we ( seemed) to be together, but the push pull of my own in the beginning.

I kept resisting the full immersion, the full giving over, the full love bomb having been that strong person my entire life.

It's when he broke all those walls down in persistent "love" and persistent effort and persistent mirroring of everything that he knew mattered the most to me, that I finally "gave in" if you will. This took months.  I can even remember the  moment.  I said something I had said many, many times to him.  I felt the r/s had to take a halt as I needed to do what felt right to me and I was not sure what we had was fully real. I had the gut reaction and of course I wanted to ignore it.  I still had my logical mind left.  I needed to stay the person that I was. 

How he sobbed. The time this man took to convince me in every way what we had was real. Endless time. Constant and persistent. For months.

My heart just finally said it was okay to be vulnerable and to allow someone to take full care of my every need. To bond fully. To trust. To just believe it was real. To stop resisting. To let go. I finally had the dream I never knew existed. Someone to just be totally me with. I could let go of all the work I did my entire life to be independent and confident, happy alone, and self sufficient bc I now had this man. Who wouldn't allow me to believe anything otherwise.

Trust I did. That's the moment I lost myself to the rest. That's the moment I went too far down the hole.

The crime was that he dragged me there knowing I was okay up on the surface where I needed to stay.

He dragged me down that hole and as soon as he knew I was all the way in, he climbed right out, and he left that (by now) very lonely and very bonded child there.  And took zero responsibility for all that he ruined in my life as a result.  A life I worked very hard to make.

While he repeats it with someone else.
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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2014, 11:07:34 AM »

cmv it sounds like you were hurt by this person, and I am sorry  to hear  that. If you allow my ex to tell her story it would seem like it was me on the other end of your story . but the truth  is that I know the truth no matterwhat she say s or believe s I tried until it wad evident that I would lose  my mind and her possible life. it'd been 13  many n.c. and I have the good days with the bad. my detachment has been different because I see her at work but have remained to myself. I now see the child in her that  I once ignored. and I see and feel thing's in myself that  I neglected far too  long. it is now that  I putmyself first again and trust  in my instincts. I was only in for 6 months when  I woke up and no longer-recognized. a woman a saw a lost helpless hopeless child that  I could not reason with but keep on pushing myself to

learn live and love and find someone who can return that because she couldn't and though  it hurts time had helped with healing!
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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2014, 11:13:43 AM »

Amazing post! Thank you for sharing this... .it explains so much for myself and i'm sure for a lot of people out here.

I reconize so much in the part of the *lonely understanding-driven child* and played the push/pull dance over and over again without knowing and trying to understand it. This gives the answers of the intensity of this r/s experience.

Thank you  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

Icecream I couldn't have said it any better.

Thanks for the original post, definitely a light bulb moment.
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2014, 05:06:49 PM »

CMV, I feel for you very much!

I too established myself to be independent.  I battled hard to get away from my toxic parents.  I had a great job while attending college.  Life was finally getting good.

I had some good plans for my life.

I knew I wasn't ready to commit, but my BPD seemed so in to me and so committed.

I allowed myself, against my better judgment, to take the dive.

We got married after 18 months together.  6 months into the marriage she wanted a kid.  I wasn't ready for this financially or emotionally.  I let her convince me.

Then came building the house.

Looking back though, everything was all about what she wanted.  I was so busy trying to work and finance everything that I totally lost myself and what I wanted.  Maybe that was by design.

And, of course every second we were together she showered me with sex.  Which was nice.  Smiling (click to insert in post)

Then, after she had the couple of kids and the house was built, I was no longer what she needed.  We were married, but I had been devalued.  After devoted all of my time to her, the kids, and work.  She cast me aside.  Where could I go?  I was in a glass prison.

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