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Larmoyant
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« on: November 13, 2016, 04:55:46 PM »

Over the weekend my ex tried to engage me in warfare over some money he says I owe him for a holiday he'd taken me on years ago. I'd started to pay it off in instalments, but then he said not to worry about it so I stopped. I'm struggling financially.He now wants it back again and has vaguely insulted me because I stopped paying with comments like "typical of you" and "same old L". Comments like that which make me feel bad because they seem to imply that I'm dishonest and don't pay my way when I'm a conscientious person and would help anyone out if I can.

To clarify the situation I forwarded him a text to me in which he clearly says not to worry about the money. His reply was "You said you would pay the money back! Same old L". I responded with ok I'll start up the instalments again, that there's no need to get angry. Just wanted to point out what you said. Peace.

Although I was left feeling quite horrible I think I handled it well. One upon a time an exchange like this would have ruined my day. It didn't this time. I'm getting over him, far less triggered by his comments although I can see the damage they do to my already depleted self-esteem. 

He's no doubt using this money as a reason to keep me engaged and I understand it, but he seems to have a strong need to insult me which I find odd. Is this the 'splitting' or is he just unkind sometimes? I mean he could choose to approach me in a nicer way. It's emotional immaturity yet this kind of thing can do a lot of harm. Why the need to insult? Why all the nastiness? Does he mean it?
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2016, 05:14:16 PM »

Hi L,

The reasons can be many and varied. I believe that in your specific case is simply to get, or have the ability to get a reaction out of you.  Other times it can be using insults to bring a person down so they can lift themselves up. Over time this could become an abusive technique to ware somebody down to make them more easy to control. I don't to what level they realize what they are doing. Or is just learnt behavior?
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2016, 05:14:24 PM »

Hi L-

he seems to have a strong need to insult me which I find odd. Is this the 'splitting' or is he just unkind sometimes? I mean he could choose to approach me in a nicer way. It's emotional immaturity yet this kind of thing can do a lot of harm. Why the need to insult? Why all the nastiness? Does he mean it?

No way of knowing if he means it or not, although it's common for people in general, not just borderlines, if something happened or something was said by someone, so thinking of that person evokes negative emotions, to slam that person, make them the scumbag, garden variety projection and a way to avoid owning some part of ourselves and also the easy way out.  Most of us can think of a time or a person where we've done some version of that, a common defense mechanism.

But when we ask the question How can I use this? it can become valuable.  You're doing very well lately BTW, not triggered by communication with him, and good for you, and it can be interesting and fun to let him do what he does, spew his crap, and then notice how much it affects you.  And focus only on that.  And if doesn't affect you at all then you might consider yourself detached, if it affects you a little, how long does it take to get out of your system?  You can make a game of it, have fun with it, not let it affect you because you say so yes?
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2016, 06:39:38 PM »

Hi Rayban, that all fits and makes sense. My therapist says he's all about control. He is very quick witted (sometimes funny, other times caustic) and it all just comes out. Maybe he doesn't think before he speaks. I suppose it could all depend on his emotion at the time rather than deliberate intention to hurt at times. Impulsive maybe? I remember pointing out hurtful remarks and, at times, he seemed surprised. Maybe it's a reflection of lack of empathy or reduced ability to empathise and understand how something could hurt another?

Hi FHTH,

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.Most of us can think of a time or a person where we've done some version of that, a common defense mechanism.
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That's very true. I've unfortunately been guilty of the same.

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.But when we ask the question How can I use this? it can become valuable.  You're doing very well lately BTW, not triggered by communication with him, and good for you, and it can be interesting and fun to let him do what he does, spew his crap, and then notice how much it affects you.  And focus only on that.  And if doesn't affect you at all then you might consider yourself detached, if it affects you a little, how long does it take to get out of your system?  You can make a game of it, have fun with it, not let it affect you because you say so yes?
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Yes, I've become a lot calmer, much less triggered. This is part of our recent encounter:

Me: I was just trying to be kind.
Him: That'll be what threw me.


This one triggered me a little and hit the mark. My heart started racing, but not full-on anxiety like before. I gathered myself and later on 'hit' back.

Him: Same old L
Me: Yes, do you miss me? Understandable.
Him: A couple of times in my car but I'll get you one of these days


Funny I suppose. He's always been able to make me laugh yet there's an undertone in all of this that I don't like. Vague insults. I mean we're not friends, not lightheartedly playing around. There's been a lot of damage between us.

I just feel sad really. Sad that I had to remind myself that I'm a conscientous person. Clinging to what I know about myself versus what he says. Sad that I 'hit' back trying to preserve my self-esteem and sad because I still miss the funny him. The quick witted person who could make me laugh out loud.

My thoughts and feelings about him swing between fear because of all the damage, and compassion because he can be nice and I know he hurts. What I'm trying to do now is reach a balance between them. Somewhere in the middle that doesn't throw me. If that makes any sense?

I like the idea of asking how I can use this. I remember reading a post of yours where you mentioned that encounters like this can be a measure of how well we are detaching and this is what I followed this time. I noticed that it took me much less time to recover. I will aim for the time when any insults he throws my way will be like water of a ducks back. At which point I will be completely free. I am definitely on my way.
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2016, 11:48:07 PM »

All depends on his current emotion of the moment L., remember that a PWBPD typically has the emotional maturity of a 3 year old. It is a SERIOUS mental illness that causes pain for both partners; don't try and rationalize the irrational or make sense of the senseless, continue to focus on you. I know it isn't easy, I still struggle everyday too; one day at a time, it takes what it takes.
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