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KiaraBaneTMI

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« on: November 12, 2024, 01:03:33 PM »

This is going to be a long one.  This is my second individual forum post and I'm asking for advice on this subject because I am having trouble deciding what to do for Thanksgiving this year.

So my mom and I barely speak.  It has been this way since our fight at Christmas.  I'll post the link to that story right here: https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=358129.0

Anyways, since then, I have barely had any contact with my mom since.  She and I did have a small "talk" over texts when a hurricane was hitting my hometown, but it didn't accomplish anything.  I just wanted to make sure she was safe and wanted to let her know I was safe and she responded by saying she was trying to respect my need for "space" (throwing my own words back at me) and that she is in fact always thinking about me.  Then she sends me random texts sometimes, once a passive-aggressive quote about how destroying a something you love is by not loving them enough.

She's a master manipulator and I still feel guilty for not contacting her. 

Anyways, Thanksgiving is coming up in a few weeks and I don't know what I should do.  I already need to make plans with my dad (the healthier parent) and my maternal grandparents because I don't want to cut them off like my mom did. My maternal grandparents have their own issues but I still love them and don't want to resort to cutting them off completely just because I don't agree with them on certain issues.  They have never abused me or been cruel to me, but they are old-fashioned so it is easy for them to get on the wrong side of people.

Anyways, my problem is this: I want to visit other members of my family up near where they live, but that's also where my mom lives.  I'm not nearly ready to try and reconcile a relationship with her yet, especially with the election results most likely sending her in a tailspin.  The problem is I want to visit my other relatives that are in that area, but don't want to risk running into her. 

I feel guilty for doing this, but oer these last few months the guilt of not contacting her has lessened considerably.  Every time she has contacted me since Christmas has been more stressful then the last.

A few months ago I calmly but firmly messaged my mom regarding the kinds of boundaries I needed to set with her.  These included her not badmouthing my father and her other family members she has cut off, or just not bringing them up in my presence so we don't argue, not having to contact her through a third party, and the like.  I made sure to run the list by my psychiatrist and my father before sending it to make sure it wasn't mean or cruel and sounded like a reasonable request.  She responded by saying that she was proud of me for setting boundaries.  Then two days later she texted again saying that my boundaries I was setting were going against her mental health needs and that her blow up at Christmas was only "a PLEASE READ up in a certain context".  She tried to weasel her way out of my requests again.  And I'm just kind of done with it now.

Look, am I being an ass for not wanting to see my mom on this holiday?
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KiaraBaneTMI

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2024, 01:10:24 PM »

This is going to be a long one.  This is my second individual forum post and I'm asking for advice on this subject because I am having trouble deciding what to do for Thanksgiving this year.

So my mom and I barely speak.  It has been this way since our fight at Christmas.  I'll post the link to that story right here: https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=358129.0

Anyways, since then, I have barely had any contact with my mom since.  She and I did have a small "talk" over texts when a hurricane was hitting my hometown, but it didn't accomplish anything.  I just wanted to make sure she was safe and wanted to let her know I was safe and she responded by saying she was trying to respect my need for "space" (throwing my own words back at me) and that she is in fact always thinking about me.  Then she sends me random texts sometimes, once a passive-aggressive quote about how destroying a something you love is by not loving them enough.

She's a master manipulator and I still feel guilty for not contacting her. 

Anyways, Thanksgiving is coming up in a few weeks and I don't know what I should do.  I already need to make plans with my dad (the healthier parent) and my maternal grandparents because I don't want to cut them off like my mom did. My maternal grandparents have their own issues but I still love them and don't want to resort to cutting them off completely just because I don't agree with them on certain issues.  They have never abused me or been cruel to me, but they are old-fashioned so it is easy for them to get on the wrong side of people.

Anyways, my problem is this: I want to visit other members of my family up near where they live, but that's also where my mom lives.  I'm not nearly ready to try and reconcile a relationship with her yet, especially with the election results most likely sending her in a tailspin.  The problem is I want to visit my other relatives that are in that area, but don't want to risk running into her. 

I feel guilty for doing this, but oer these last few months the guilt of not contacting her has lessened considerably.  Every time she has contacted me since Christmas has been more stressful then the last.

A few months ago I calmly but firmly messaged my mom regarding the kinds of boundaries I needed to set with her.  These included her not badmouthing my father and her other family members she has cut off, or just not bringing them up in my presence so we don't argue, not having to contact her through a third party, and the like.  I made sure to run the list by my psychiatrist and my father before sending it to make sure it wasn't mean or cruel and sounded like a reasonable request.  She responded by saying that she was proud of me for setting boundaries.  Then two days later she texted again saying that my boundaries I was setting were going against her mental health needs and that her blow up at Christmas was only "a PLEASE READ up in a certain context".  She tried to weasel her way out of my requests again.  And I'm just kind of done with it now.

Look, am I being an ass for not wanting to see my mom on this holiday?
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2024, 01:26:02 PM »

Hey, welcome back  Welcome new member (click to insert in post)

Navigating holidays plus disordered family members can be so stressful, especially when there's no guarantee, because everyone lives close to each other, that things will go exactly how you are hoping and planning.

If I'm tracking with you, it's not that you've fully cut off your mom and have vowed never to see her again... it's more that right now you aren't up for seeing her. Is that accurate?

Do you feel like the other family members you want to see (maternal grandparents) would do anything like "secretly inviting her to make you two reconcile", or, if you choose to see them, would it be pretty straightforward -- you know if you go, it'll just be them, no funny business?

One approach to these holidays could be to make your plans based on what you want, assuming you can trust other family members to be straight with you about it. (I did once tell my mom, who does not have BPD, that if she invited her BPD friend to our family Christmas, I wouldn't be able to make it -- and fortunately, my mom was honest with me and didn't do the move of saying "of course she won't be there" and then sneakily inviting her).

It's true, you might run into your mom. I wonder if you can reflect on the likelihood of that happening (is it like a 5% chance? or like a 95% chance?), and then, most importantly, reflect on how much you have in the tank to handle that. Getting that information might help you make a decision. For example, if you find that there's a low-but-possible chance of running into your mom (say 10%), but that you're running on empty and do not have the resources to handle it, that's good to know. Same if there's a high likelihood of seeing her, but you feel pretty grounded and capable, and have some stock phrases you could say. Important info.

Ultimately, it's up to you, and your energy, and your bandwidth. I'm thinking that checking in with yourself -- really seeing what you are OK with, what you can handle -- will be the most deciding factor, not what anyone else is or isn't doing. that's one of the strengths of this group -- nobody has to be the a-hole; we can move away from "you're wrong and she's right"/"you're right and she's wrong" and towards more healing and centering options, like caring for yourself and knowing your own strengths and limitations  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

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Speaking of bandwidth, do you feel like you're in a position where you could let your mom know something like:

"Hi Mom, I already have Thanksgiving plans this year, FYI -- I do currently have Christmas and New Years open, so if you want to grab coffee around that time, let me know"

(that would depend on if you're moving towards communicating with your mom again).

Or, it might need to look shorter, like:

"Hi Mom, thanks for asking -- I already have Thanksgiving plans. Cheers; KiaraBaneTME" where you don't suggest an alternative further down the road.

Keeping things Brief, Informative, Friendly, and Firm can help communications stay on track.

Or, a further option would be not to communicate with her about your plans at all, to honor the fact that right now -- for this moment -- you aren't up for seeing her, to decide for yourself if you can handle accidentally running in to her or not.

Hard stuff to navigate. I get it about the "small town" feel; my H's kids' mom and stepdad live <1 mile from us, so it's a non-negligible chance that we run into one of them by surprise around town. It can really rattle you if you are overwhelmed, so I'm glad you're here getting some support.
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