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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: July 09, 2017, 11:26:25 PM »

Same as it ever was.

This time I thought it was different, just friends for fun, no harm no foul.

After 5-6 months meeting ex-gf with increasing frequency more information comes out from her that leaves me feeling very low.

Also, like before financially damaged by stupid decision making connected with the r/s. Worse than I could have imagined. Could be ruined or worse.

I guess I am too old to learn new tricks and so is she. This may never quite end completely until we are off the planet.

Silver lining is this time r/s was restrained emotionally by both of us so I have a good chance to avoid another repeat of a total emotional collapse. Being financially desperate and scambling in new business will help keep me busy surviving.

My advice to everyone, especially the young people here, stay away from these people at all costs or end up like me.

Mad at myself but will wake up tomorrow to fight another day, God willing.
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2017, 05:32:15 PM »

You will, we all will. There is no other choice but to get up, fight and see through another day and be grateful for the gift of life we've all been given. Secure at least in the knowledge that this will all eventually get better. It will, because it has to.

Please be kind to yourself. Don't beat yourself up. All you did was fall in love with someone who is ill, you were not to know, and as with all of us 'nons', we can't just switch our feelings on and off like a light switch. Our feelings were real, and ultimately, that is where we have to take our comfort, because eventually one day we will find someone who can truly reciprocate them.

Take care of you.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2017, 10:59:31 PM »

You will, we all will. There is no other choice but to get up, fight and see through another day and be grateful for the gift of life we've all been given. Secure at least in the knowledge that this will all eventually get better. It will, because it has to.

Please be kind to yourself. Don't beat yourself up. All you did was fall in love with someone who is ill, you were not to know, and as with all of us 'nons', we can't just switch our feelings on and off like a light switch. Our feelings were real, and ultimately, that is where we have to take our comfort, because eventually one day we will find someone who can truly reciprocate them.

Take care of you.

You are right I know.

I don't know how to stop making a fool of myself with this person. It has been ongoing so long. With all of the tools here and all I already know there seems to be no way to stop the cycles.

Right now even as a grizzled veteran dater/friend of a sick person I am feeling so low. You would think I would be immune by now. I talked with her today and was brutally honest. She knows she is sick and always says she doesn't mean to hurt me on purpose.

It is true this is the person I fell in love with. It has cost me a lot.

I don't want to beat myself up but I must be nuttier than her for constantly repeating the cycles. To be clear I thought we had matured enough and did not feel as much attachment.  All it took was a few things to trigger the bad old feelings.

Plus my business customers are counting on me. I have so much responsibility and now this is happening. Damn.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2017, 08:17:00 AM »

I don't want to beat myself up but I must be nuttier than her for constantly repeating the cycles. To be clear I thought we had matured enough and did not feel as much attachment.  All it took was a few things to trigger the bad old feelings.

I felt the same thing. That she was presenting as so level headed and mature while I was being the nutty one. In reality, I was just feeling my emotions in the way that I knew how. It wasn't healthy of course and I am now learning to separate the circumstances and events from the emotion so I can focus on the emotion itself.

There is a chemical rewiring of the brain in relationships like this. We get attached to the high of the idealization. It's normal. I know for sure I could never go back to talking to her in any circumstance. Not that she will ever reach out but I know I couldn't in any situation. Just like an alcoholic who is 20 years sober and they think "well it's been so long. I can have 1 drink." And before they know it they are right back at square one. It's nothing to be ashamed of. The more knowledge you have the more it becomes something to accept.
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2017, 07:52:18 PM »

I felt the same thing. That she was presenting as so level headed and mature while I was being the nutty one. In reality, I was just feeling my emotions in the way that I knew how. It wasn't healthy of course and I am now learning to separate the circumstances and events from the emotion so I can focus on the emotion itself.

There is a chemical rewiring of the brain in relationships like this. We get attached to the high of the idealization. It's normal. I know for sure I could never go back to talking to her in any circumstance. Not that she will ever reach out but I know I couldn't in any situation. Just like an alcoholic who is 20 years sober and they think "well it's been so long. I can have 1 drink." And before they know it they are right back at square one. It's nothing to be ashamed of. The more knowledge you have the more it becomes something to accept.

That is a good analogy.  Just 1 drink!

I guess I got off easier than it could have been I hope on this one.  Was able to focus on work today very well.

One of the more difficult aspect you mentioned in that the BPD person, while totally out of control, can seem like they are in total control of their emotions and thoughts... .in my case always at this point.   That is until they can't.

So the person who is hurting more "normally" by seems to be the one going nuts. Then the ex can say oh there is my ex crazy bf.  It is at these points where it is so difficult to be compassionate or understanding, even though the mind knows what the truth is. It is impossible to know how much of the bad behavior is directly from the BPD or for other reasons, playing havoc on both the BPD and the "non."

I can see though where it unravelled quickly as soon as the r/s became a little deeper. Prior to last weekend I maintained an even keel, keeping my emotional distance, and so did she in many ways.  Then blammo something happens that put the r/s on a closer level and suddenly the 1 drink every few days became chugging a gallon of whiskey all at once.

Hope I can learn.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2017, 08:05:11 PM »

For me, it was impossible to be compassionate r understanding when I saw how level headed she was being. It made me so angry especially because I knew she was just running from scary feelings and emotions. But it's true. By actually feeling and not suppressing the emotions we are actually showing more maturity. Not many "normal" people know how to feel their emotions. Maybe we are crazy. But I'd rather feel emotions than spend my life running from them.

If you don't mind me asking what was the event that kinda led from 1 beer a day to a gallon of whiskey for you? You hinted at it a few times.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2017, 12:38:25 AM »

For me, it was impossible to be compassionate r understanding when I saw how level headed she was being. It made me so angry especially because I knew she was just running from scary feelings and emotions. But it's true. By actually feeling and not suppressing the emotions we are actually showing more maturity. Not many "normal" people know how to feel their emotions. Maybe we are crazy. But I'd rather feel emotions than spend my life running from them.

If you don't mind me asking what was the event that kinda led from 1 beer a day to a gallon of whiskey for you? You hinted at it a few times.

You really hit the nail on the head with the running from scary feelings and emotions. I was doing the same for the last few months until I couldn't anymore. I am still a little angry.

Recieved a how are you feeling text from her ealier this evening and I responded normally... .better thanks for asking.  For a few minutes I was impressed that she sent a caring message.  Then what followed was a request to take her out to dinner. Could not leave well enough alone. Always a demand of some type. I replied no and said I had an appointment with my cat which got an . The end I thought. Then 90 minutes later another request to take her out.  I didn't see it for at least an hour so I responded in a snarky way and told her no and that I would let her know when I would go out with her again. Followed by something to ridiculous and insulting to write here. Apparently I have almost as little respect for her as I do for myself.

To explain what happened that caused my normal emotions to kick in is a little embarassing and could be lengthy but I will try.  I am still also trying to figure out what happened.

During this latest fling I learned early on that she had a "boyfriend" almost half her age. It was a joke to me and did not bother me. As time when on our time together began seem more like serious dating and we half-joked about us getting married in 3 years. She talked about getting rid of the "boyfriend" and our fling suddenly became very hot last Friday night when we went dancing. I was starting to guzzle the gallon of whiskey so to speak and so was she.

True to form I met her the next day and she was cold as ice, no makeup, no affection a total 180 from the night before.  This triggered something in me that brought up the bad old feelings as I had seen it before many times.

Something was wrong with her. She had mentioned that she was blocking the number of her "friend" who had moved to another state a few months ago the night before.  I realized the next day that she had been in love or deeply attached to some guy who really doesn't want her and left her here.   She had mentioned the friend who went away in the past but it did not click with me until she became very close and then very distant in less than 24 hours.

Very long story short, I have been the rebound guy like I have been a couple of times in the past, in between other guys being the rebound guy after we would end a cycle. Althewhile she has a much younger "boyfriend" who she said is in love with her and broke down crying uncontrollalbly when she tried to call it off.

Stupid isn't it?   Ok so it was not so so short but I guesss I felt very devalued again after her 180.  I drank the koolaid again.

Yesterday I had a talk with her over the phone where she confided in me more details, none of which made me feel good.  The Friend guy wants to come back and visit but she doesn't want to see him because she got hurt and all this I am being told.

Not good. Apologies for the lenth of this and not sure if I have explained the lunacy very well. Doesn't say much for me that I would be involved with this person again and I feel like kind of a s*&mbag too.

But things are getting better today and not now falling for her BPD demands and tricks at the moment.

Was not hurt by her text request earlier in the evening and have no qualms about telling her to F off in my own way.

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