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« on: June 06, 2017, 05:11:10 PM »

Hello,

After 47 years, I am realizing that my older sister may have high functioning BPD (she is not diagnosed).  We are experiencing a huge flare up.  She got very angry at me over an honest mistake and her reaction to it was very hurtful, accusatory and demeaning.  When I wrote her a long email (therapist approved) outlining my perspective, feelings and needs, I got a horrible response that didn't answer any of my questions, minimized the incident to frame me as an "overreactor" and then blamed me for her contraction of Shingles. It was then put on me that I have a "decision to make" about our relationship.  Now I feel stuck.  I am reading Stop Walking On Egg Shells which is helpful in understanding the disorder, but it is also raising questions.  I have joined this group in hopes of gleaning some wisdom from those that can relate and have successfully surmounted what feels to me like a complete failure on my part.

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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2017, 09:55:02 PM »

Hi Kathleenlou:    

Welcome to the Community!

I'm so sorry to hear about your situation with your sister.  I have an older sister, who emerged as a high-functioning BPD just before our parents passed.  She  SPLIT me black.  Sounds like your sister is doing something similar.

Has your sister had some other stresses in her life recently?   People with BPD or BPD traits, tend to like to blame others.  Are you able to share any details about the mistake?

What questions has the Eggshells book raised for you?

Don't feel like a failure.  People have varying degrees of success with carrying on a relationship with a BPD sibling.  In my situation, I had avoided my sister's wrath for many years.  Then, we were forced to interact in a chain or very stressful events in regard to our now deceased parents.  For me, it seemed that once the genie was out of the bottle, in regard to my sister's behavior and wrath towards me, it was relentless. 

There is no magic fix.  Each person's situation is a little different.  The best we can do is learn communication tools and strategy that can help make things better for us.  We can't change a person with BPD (pwBPD), but if we use certain communication strategies, we can minimize or sometimes prevent some drama and problem situations.

There are a lot of articles/lessons her on communication skills.  You will find a "lessons" thread at the top of the thread line up.  There is, also, a large green band at the top of the page, with a "Tools Menu".  Two good lessons to start with from that menu are ":)on't Invalidate" and "Boundaries".

Take care 

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2017, 08:48:18 AM »

Thank you for the welcome message, Naughty Nibbler.  I can share the incident details:

After many requests from my sister to have the experience of going to London with my eleven-year-old son (with whom she is very close), we took the plunge. 

I shared a room with my sister, my husband and son had a separate room.  In the hotel, there was a card system that both unlocked the door and turned on the lights... .a way for them to keep electricity bills down.  There was no explanation on how it worked, it was trial and error. One morning, she met up with us at breakfast and left her keycard in the room... .no big deal.  Then next morning, despite plans to get up early, have a big breakfast and get on with our busy day (and have a light lunch that wouldn't take up valuable tourism time), she decided that she was going to just meet up with us later and not have breakfast.  She got in the shower.  I pulled my stuff together and grabbed MY keycard (in case she left her's again) out of the slot and waited... .the lights stayed on... .maybe it is motion detection!  I went down to my husband's room... .and the phone rang. The lights went out on her when she was in the shower and I needed to come back up (again, where was her keycard?).  I said to my husband "Well, this is going to ruin the day."  I knew I had to really acquiesce for damage control.  I did make a mistake which I was ready to apologize for.

I went back up to the room and she was waiting at the door in a towel.  I looked at her sort of gritting my teeth and said "I am really sorry."  "EXCUSE ME!" she said grabbing the card.  "I said I am sorry." Then she slammed the door in my face.

At breakfast, she wouldn't acknowledge or make eye contact with me.  We walked to the train and while we were waiting, I went back in... ."So, are you going to give me the silent treatment all day?" and this was her response:

"I am not mad at you for turning out the lights. I am mad about your apology! Giving me that fake smile and trying to manipulate me."  I was literally stunned. But I managed to get out, in a low, calm voice, "My apology was sincere, if you didn't take it that way, that isn't my problem." "OK" was all she said. Not "I am sorry that I said that and I accept your apology" or anything to acknowledge that she pushed my apology in my face and accused me of something.

I got through the rest of the trip as best as I could, just trying to keep the peace until we got home.  Once I was home I thought I would just do what I always do, not say anything, just put some distance between us, not see or talk to her unless absolutely necessary. 

A few weeks past and I got some random texts from her.  Nothing more than statements, nothing that required responses.  On Easter, when I was at a party, I get a text from her, "If you are ignoring me, please tell me so I will stop wasting my time with text and emails." Again, not "hey, I sense some distance between us.  Is something up?" but just pure antagonism.

This is what prompted my letter to her.  I am so tired of the unprovoked, antagonistic missives.  Using my husbands method of "compassionate communication" I wrote her telling her what I observed, what I felt, and what I needed from her... .for her to find a different way of expressing herself to me.  This is what I got back:

My response is what you saw was ANGER pure and simple.  A complete lack of consideration for me and
nothing else.  I thought I recovered rather quickly cosidering how angry I was with you.
But if one look I give you can cause such a barrage of accusations and hurt feelings,
there is something wrong, and I will not apoplgize for getting angry or expecting you to pay the slightest bit of
attention to me and my feelings.  You now know how I have felt for years, unappreciated, and taken for granted.
There is something wrong with you, and it is not me.

I am now suffering from shingles which Kenny says is due to stress.  Seems one week with you was too much.  Good to know.
I am tired of walking around on eggshells around you never knowing what I say, how I look at you, or how I breathe will effect you. 

I was angry, that is what that look was,  if you read all that into one look,  I don't see how we can recover.
You have a decision to make.



She has now put it back on me, although I guess I thought I was saying that I had made a decision about being around her if she was going to treat me that way.

I haven't responded.  I am trying to strategize.  And one of my concerns is my aging parents and what our interactions are going to look like as we move forward.

There is a big part of me that regrets sending the letter.  I should have stuck to my old ways even though if means nothing gets resolved. But now I feel I have no exit strategy or way to make this better.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2017, 07:23:04 PM »

Quote from: Kathleenlou
My sister states: I am now suffering from shingles which Kenny says is due to stress.  Seems one week with you was too much.  
Although vacations are for fun.  Preparing for a big trip, a travel schedule, time change and lack of sleep is stressful. Chances are, she would have gotten shingles, if the trip went perfectly.  People with BPD or BPD traits like to play the blame game.  If you are on their "naughty list", then the blame game continues and the list grows.

FOR REFERENCE:
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Shingles is caused by the Varicella Zoster virus, the same virus that causes chickenpox. Only someone who has had chickenpox – or, rarely, has gotten chickenpox vaccine – can get shingles

Quote from: Kathleenlou
At breakfast, she wouldn't acknowledge or make eye contact with me.  We walked to the train and while we were waiting, I went back in... ."So, are you going to give me the silent treatment all day?" and this was her response:

"I am not mad at you for turning out the lights. I am mad about your apology! Giving me that fake smile and trying to manipulate me."

I was literally stunned. But I managed to get out, in a low, calm voice, "My apology was sincere, if you didn't take it that way, that isn't my problem." "OK" was all she said. Not "I am sorry that I said that and I accept your apology" or anything to acknowledge that she pushed my apology in my face and accused me of something.

I completely understand your frustration and how your comment spontaneously slipped out.  The "That isn't my problem" comment likely invalidated her and she made sure it became your problem by her subsequent behavior.  It would have been better, if you remained silent, or perhaps replied with something like, "I'm sorry that you feel my apology is insincere.  I understand that you were disturbed by the situation with the lights.  I'm frustrated with the card/light situation myself and perhaps that showed up in my expression."

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You now know how I have felt for years, unappreciated, and taken for granted. There is something wrong with you, and it is not me.
 Can you make any sense out of her comments of being unappreciated and taken for granted?

I got some odd comments from my sister, accusing me of things that made no sense and seemed to be invented in her mind and spun into a reality of her own.

 "Not invalidating" feelings and validating feelings can be tricky.  You don't want to validate invalid facts, but validating feelings is a different matter.  You don't have to agree with feelings, in order to validate them (and they usually won't make sense to you).  Efforts to validate feelings is not always successful, and it can take practice.  When uncertain of what to do, best to just NOT invalidate by word, expression or body or language. Sometimes, you may need to check your expressions around her, and do your best to achieve a blank expression.  Sometimes we can be oblivious to our expressions and people with BPD tend to misinterpret things easily.

Below are some links to info. on validation/don't invalidate:  
DON'T INVALIDATE

MORE ON VALIDATION - DON'T INVALIDATE

VALIDATION - LEVELS OF VALIDATION

Validation can take some practice, and sometimes it might not work for the most skilled person.  So, it's okay to just NOT invalidate.

By describing the letter you sent, sounds like your husband may have assisted you with using some "I" statements.  My therapist suggested using "I" statements, when I brought up the idea of possibly sending my sister a letter (circumstances haven't been right yet).  I was, also, warned to not bring up too many issues at one time, because my sister would likely be very sensitive and I would get a negative reaction.

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A few weeks past and I got some random texts from her.  Nothing more than statements, nothing that required responses.
 If the statements would have lead to an argument or controversial conversation, it was a good idea to ignore them.  If that wasn't the case, I'm thinking it may have been her way to open communication.  Were the comments addressed to you only, or was there a distribution to several people at the same time?  Perhaps, one of them could have been an opportunity to just reply, "Hi, how is it going".  A lot depends on the nature of the comments she texted.


Quote from: Kathleenlou
And one of my concerns is my aging parents and what our interactions are going to look like as we move forward.

There is a big part of me that regrets sending the letter.  I should have stuck to my old ways even though if means nothing gets resolved. But now I feel I have no exit strategy or way to make this better.
 :)o you have any other siblings?  You might want to check with your parents, in regard to their estate plans, who is signed up for medical and financial power of attorneys.  My parents kept quiet on those issues, so we didn't know the plans until we were forced to use the POA's.  My parents made my sister and me "co" on everything. (medical, financial POA's and then on administration of their trust).  

It was a lot easier for me to "suck it up" and just move on from some bad interactions with my sister, for the sake of our parents (while they were alive).  They both passed within 4 months of each other.  It was a long hard road of frustrating interactions with my sister: multiple episodes of "the silent treatment", phone hang ups in mid conversation, arguments about stupid things, passive aggressive behaviors, lies, etc.  From her perspective, I was either "talking to her like I would someone I worked with" or "taking down to her"  (opposite ends of the spectrum).  Nothing made any sense and my world was turned upside down.

If I could have done something differently, I would have put on some pressure for us both to go to joint counseling, just before we put our parent's home up for sale.  Both parents had passed at that point.  My sister had a significant rage event and I went to solo counseling after that.  I did eventually get an apology from my sister for the rage event, but nothing changed. I think the apology was for the purpose of moving forward with selling the house.   It didn't take long before the same behaviors resumed and a couple of additional disturbing behaviors were added.

It's hard to predict what will happen with your parents.  I had a "perfect storm" of problems, with both parents being hospitalized at the same time and both passing within 4 months or each other.  Minimally, in your situation, one parent will pass and the other will survive for a number of years.  If your parents are mentally stable (no mental illness or personality disorder traits), then things can go more smoothly (especially if they have planned for retirement).

It can be a tough road if you are painted black. Generally, you can hope to talk through issues with someone who doesn't have BPD or certain BPD traits.  It can be tough to work through problems, if someone can't see that they are at least part of the problem.  There are variation in situations and possibilities.  Sometime, it's a matter of trial and error. Counseling may or may not help.  Even if it helps to some extent, it could be worth it.

Some people just move forward, as if nothing happened.  In certain circumstances, it might be the best answer for some people.  Things can really fall apart, when parents pass.

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2017, 08:47:24 PM »

Thanks for the insights.  Of course, I didn't know that she was BPD until recently (and after our trip) and didn't have these tactics in mind.  One thing I am having a hard time accepting is that it feels like all the work rests on the non-BPD. I am the one reading books, joining online forums and seeing (and paying) for a therapist.  I intellectually understand that it is about modeling. But that can be so dang hard.

The one thing I resent about the past... .I am always the one cleaning it up.  That would be fine if someone in my family (or better yet, my sister) recognized this and at least I got some credit in exchange for the abuse.  

She has never married and has no kids (I have a husband and a child).  I think she has a lot of expectations of me to fill some space in her life.  She is never really happy with just a thank you.  She wants to be aggrandized.  I am not good at that... .no one in my family is good at positive praise. But I do DO things for her, not because I expect anything from her in return.  I just do what I can do, when I can do it.  But it feels like she keeps a tally and somehow I am always behind.

I really just tried to address one thing in the letter (which I would have posted but it was bit long).  "I need you to find a different way of expressing yourself to me when you are angry at me."



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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2017, 09:19:43 PM »

That feeling of "why is it all on me" - I get that. I'm coming out of it now but when we first discovered my mom has BPD, I felt so many confusing things. One was sort of frustration that, after a lifetime of really hurtful behavior, the clouds aren't going to part and she's going to be enlightened and finally understand all the many different ways I've tried to get through to her.

In my very limited and totally unprofessional experience, the validating statements and communication tactics get easier and you see that, even if it isn't fair in an equality sense, it is a fair way to communicate in an equitable sense. Because the alternative is just not having a relationship at all.

It's a really awful disorder. I'm sorry you've dealt with it and it seems like you're in the middle of an especially rough time.
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