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« on: June 30, 2017, 06:13:04 AM »

Hi,
 I don't know if this is in the right place or not so I'm sorry if it is not.

I was just wondering does therapy and getting help actually work for BPD sufferers. I know my ex has just started with all types of support and therapy, such as going to meetings for mental health sufferers and types of counselling. Will this help BPD become manageable or in experience do people see it gradually get worse? Or does stress usually bring back those symptoms?

I know it's impossible to answer but I've seen studies of no it's not curable and they'll always be the same and yes it is curable and they can live normal lives. I just don't understand how that will change their emotions though so they learn to love or be like we are.

Sorry if anything sounds offensive in there, it is not my intent

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2017, 10:33:53 AM »

I don't know if therapy works for BPD sufferers, but it certainly works for those who are in their lives. Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2017, 10:49:15 AM »

Hi J9997,

The studies you've seen of it not being curable are on point. It cannot be cured, but you CAN "recover" -- I say this as someone who 5-6 years ago was deep into my own BPD.  After extensive DBT, the right mix of medication, and to this day weekly therapy sessions with a therapist who specializes in BPD... .I am proud to say I have done a 180.  Of course, there are still times I catch myself exhibiting behaviors but the difference is I catch it and I correct it.  As for the black and white thinking: I've managed to find the grey and live in the grey. I can't say I dont still have triggers because I would be lying but I can say that I no longer have rages or anything of the sorts. Of course rages isnt the only symptom of BPD but overall I've gotten a solid grasp of my symptoms.

Ultimately, I am not cured... .but I am able to use all of the coping mechanisms and strategies I have learned to no longer be that person.

Interestingly enough... .  I think the fact that I was that way and my uBPDx fiancee's BPD manifests almost identical to how mine used to, is the exact reason I am having such a hard time letting go and saying "she will never change, it's a lost cause."  -- I'm living proof it is possible. How could I possibly reject that it could also be possible for her? Know what I mean?

I under no circumstance want to give ANYONE hope and/or suggest their SO will change.  Not at all my goal with this post.  But, as for myself, I do have hope some day she will choose the path I chose. Whether or not it all leads her back to me... .i dont know.  But at least she would have gotten better.
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2017, 11:07:56 AM »

That is awesome news NewLifeNow,
It's great to see someone be able to recover and manage their symptoms. I hope you really are proud and give yourself credit for that. I read that the ones with highest IQs have more of a chance of beating it so you must be smart haha

Yeah it's strange how you think that way about her though, I think some people can't be helped unfortunately. A lot of us think we are okay. I've lived with OCD for years to severe levels and when people drag me away from a door I'm convinced isn't locked after crying there for 4 hours I still think I'm fine. The mind is a curious thing and if you let it get you the road becomes harder and harder to escape.

My ex is a really extreme case of BPD but I've heard she's having therapy and even if she hates me or thinks I'm evil I'm still so so so proud of her. To see that girl in the psychiatric ward 8 weeks ago shaking against the wall, crying, fighting anyone but me is quite amazing. I wish she knew that but what can you do.
I think some symptoms of BPD and some cases are just impossible though, unfortunately I'm not sure she can do it but I hope she does for her little boy. He didn't deserve abuse

you would be perfect to help her, it's such a shame.

Have you ever shared your story?  It would be a good read I imagine
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2017, 11:32:40 AM »

That is awesome news NewLifeNow,
It's great to see someone be able to recover and manage their symptoms. I hope you really are proud and give yourself credit for that. I read that the ones with highest IQs have more of a chance of beating it so you must be smart haha 

Thank you! I do take great pride in the strides I have made. It wasnt an easy road and it is still an every day challenge. Something I know I will have to be mindful of each and every single day for the rest of my life. But you know what? After seeing how GOOD it feels compared to how I was before... .it's a challenge I love tackling.

Appreciate the compliment! Very nice of you to say. Thank you 

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Yeah it's strange how you think that way about her though, I think some people can't be helped unfortunately. A lot of us think we are okay. I've lived with OCD for years to severe levels and when people drag me away from a door I'm convinced isn't locked after crying there for 4 hours I still think I'm fine. The mind is a curious thing and if you let it get you the road becomes harder and harder to escape.

Yes, I do think of my ex in the way that I do, however, I fully agree with you that so often people think theyre okay when in reality... well... they're just not.  What I learned was someone with BPD doesnt get help because of that EXACT reason. I, for years, would reject everyones ideas that I in any way needed help. It wasnt until I hit rock bottom with nowhere to go that I came to the realization of "oh crap... .I DO need help." -- And then I went and found it.  Until that moment there was nothing anyone could say or do to make me realize it. As a matter of fact, the more it was said to me the more I rejected it and embraced my symptoms (symptoms I didnt realize were actually symptoms at the time)

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My ex is a really extreme case of BPD but I've heard she's having therapy and even if she hates me or thinks I'm evil I'm still so so so proud of her. To see that girl in the psychiatric ward 8 weeks ago shaking against the wall, crying, fighting anyone but me is quite amazing. I wish she knew that but what can you do.
I think some symptoms of BPD and some cases are just impossible though, unfortunately I'm not sure she can do it but I hope she does for her little boy. He didn't deserve abuse

Unfortunately therapy is not the sole answer. It takes personal will and desire COMBINED with therapy to actually start on the path to recovery. Extreme case or not, high functioning or low functioning... .I dont think it makes a difference in the success rate, I think the persons desire to seek help and STAY healthy once theyve accepted their disorder and continued on the path to recovery/reached recovery is what makes all the difference.

You wont get and stay better if you dont WANT to.

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Have you ever shared your story?  It would be a good read I imagine

I've been very active in my local community when it comes to mental health/bullying/suicide prevention/etc. -- I have shared my story, yes. Somewhat, that is.  Primarily because part of the trauma I experienced that helped my BPD manifest was the bullying that I went through at such a young age.  As we all have read on many of the posts here on these boards, there is always trauma(s) that lead to the manifestation of BPD/NPD -- I think a lot of times it's believed that the realization of the trauma is what causes the BPD/NPD symptoms.  I can say with me it was actually the opposite... .it was the fact that I suppressed all of my trauma and feelings surrounding it that caused me to develop my disorder.  It wasnt until I acknowledged all of the pain, sorrow, and anger surrounding that trauma that I finally started to see progress in myself.

A volcano may simmer forever and never physically erupt... that doesnt mean it's not harmful to self or surroundings... .  Accepting the volcano erupting may actually be a good thing is important
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2017, 12:23:32 PM »

You're very welcome, it's amazing to progress in such a way and learn to manage everything.

I'm glad you agree I didn't want to offend on that, I was a little worried. Would you say you had really severe symptoms of BPD? I know it's tough to admit to having a problem or disorder. It's the worst part about anything In my opinion. Why most of us are here, acceptance is the hardest part of anything.


Maybe so, people are really interesting with how they accept therapy and understanding it I guess. I struggle because I'm stubborn and unfortunately I find it hard to be told I'm to blame. I always try and carry on but I can't so I always have spells of depression but again I can lift myself every now and then. If I could accept the problem and therapy I could be fine


Honestly you are a inspiration to all people with BPD and mental health for that matter, it's impressive how you think and what you do.

I like that volcano saying, it's very relevant to this disorder getting better
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2017, 01:06:23 PM »

Would you say you had really severe symptoms of BPD? I know it's tough to admit to having a problem or disorder.

My symptoms were quite severe, yes. I also have comorbidities as is common with BPD. I experienced the raging, manipulation, dichotomous (black/white) thinking. My raging often times led to me, in a sense, blacking out and not really mentally being present anymore. I was a master at cutting people with my words. I was never suicidal but I often did think of self-harm. I never took responsibility. There were times I would ice out whoever I thought deserved to be iced out for whatever reason I had come up with. Often times it would lead to me feeling really upset but that was easily fixed by me turning it into anger over how THEY were the reason this was happening... .how could they! -- Growing up my mom was often my target. She never gave up on me, bless her heart.

These days my mom and I have a wonderful relationship, however, when we do talk about when I was deep in my disorder she tends to get very emotional about it. Hearing her express how hard it was and how impossible it felt at times... .it breaks my heart. Before I got myself help she would tell me those same things and rather than me having this "breaks my heart" emotion, I felt more rage. How could she possibly be putting this guilt on me?  It made me feel terrible inside but instead of acknowledging it, I lashed out more... .and even worse.

I am so grateful for the relationship I have with her now. I would not trade it for the world. Yet another reason for me to fight the good fight every single day.

Now that I'm in the situation that I am with my uBPDx fiancee... .there are a lot of times I feel guilt for feeling so sad/upset/hurt over what's happened with her and the things shes done to me.  I know I have the right to feel that way... .but I cant help but feel like it's Karma coming back to get me.  Like, this is EXACTLY what I deserve because I've done it to so many before. In fact, the irony of just how identical our BPD manifests itself is not lost on me.  "A taste of my own medicine."

Obviously I dont deserve it, just like the people I did it to didnt deserve it but it still gets me right in the feels sometimes.

I have made it a point to reach out to those who I knew I'd severely effected and sincerely apologized and made a mends for what I had done... .I felt that was extremely important to my recovery as well as hopefully giving them the peace they deserve. I hope it has brought them peace.
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