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Melanie Mellon
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« on: May 21, 2018, 01:03:47 PM »

Through my own therapy and after setting limits with my mother, it seems that I'm dealing with a hard case. I read Walking on Eggshells and felt less alone and I decided to come on here for the same reason.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2018, 03:08:49 PM »

Hi Melanie,

Welcome to the BPD Family 

Reading about BPD is a great first step to understanding the chaos that happens when you have someone with BPD/NPD Traits in your life.  I hit the library and the books when I first discovered BPD and it described my significant other's ex-wife.

I found books clarified for me what was going on, and this site and it's members do too.  But what I find really helpful about the BPD Family is  the understanding and validation of others going through the same thing and real time strategies for dealing with situations as they are happening. 

How can we support you?  What are you struggling most with your mom?

Look forward to hearing more of your story,
Panda39
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2018, 05:02:18 PM »

Hi!  Let me join Panda in saying welcome to the board!   

You definitely are not alone.  All of us here on this board have a family member with BPD or BPD traits so we can all understand at least some, if not more, of your situation.

How long has it been that you have been setting limits with your mother?  Which of her behaviors do you have the most difficulty with? 

As you share more about your situation we will be better able to guide you to specific resources.

I hope to hear more from you.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2018, 05:11:41 PM »

Hello ,

You are not alone in this. You can share your story with us if you like. I'm new too here so welcome
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Melanie Mellon
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2018, 09:45:08 AM »

Thank you for the warm welcome everyone.  I think I need validation from people who understand how it feels to come out of denial or repression about the dysfunction of a family of origin.  Here's my story:
After spending a week at an intensive leadership event with process groups led by psychotherapists, I was surprised by the intense emotions I had when I shared about the guilt I felt about keeping a family secret from my sister whose husband made unwanted sexual advances on my other sister 20 years ago.  My parents confronted him, sort of, but never followed up, never kept up with his recovery or made sure he was in recovery.  They did take my other sister to counseling once or twice, but I question the efficacy of it now that I have completed graduate work in a respected counseling program and through my 12 step work and experiences.  My parents and my brother in-law decided for the family that it would not help his wife to know about the incident. 

Throughout my adult years, I protested and thought my sister had the right to know but I didn't have the courage to tell her myself, and now I see the manipulation I succumbed to from my mother and my brother-in-law to keep it a secret.  The rare family get-togethers we had (we live in different states) were uncomfortable and inauthentic mixed with some fun traditions. 

Add to the mix, the fact that we were in a church, by many definitions actually a cult, where appearance was everything and truth was often buried.  I was the only family member out of a large extended family not to join that church, and as strange as it may sound, I now believe my relationship with my God gave me the strength and resources to leave the church.  Back then, mother didn't like that at all, and I felt her disapproval and withdrawal - although there wasn't a lot of relationship to withdraw from if I'm being honest. 

Eventually my parents and the rest of my family left the cult as well, physically but none of them sought recovery from the spiritual abuse nor for their own issues.  Now, I believe they left it mainly because my mother no longer had control there and damaged all the relationships.  My dad has clinical depression and hasn't treated it since my early teen years because he doesn't like the side effects.  My mother, who has tremendous influence/control over him, doesn't use her influence to get him into therapy or on meds.  I'm beginning to see why, the more I learn about BPD and Narcissistic behavior. 

After the weeklong intensive leadership process groups, I sought therapy again to know what to do next.  I couldn't speak with my sister on the phone without crying.  My therapist was wise not to recommend I tell my parents that I was going to tell my sister the truth about the secret.  Out of a sense of loyalty, I met with them and told them I wasn't asking their permission, but wanted them to know I was going to tell her the truth.  I also told my other sister who was the one the sexual advances happened to, and her immediate reaction was that she didn't care.  Mother dissociated and said, "We're never going to get past this are we?" and walked off like a zombie.  She and my sister talked about me on their way home and decided that I have anxiety and depression.  My counselor disagreed with their "expert diagnosis".  My mother told me the next time she called to tell me I was being duped by counselors.  My sister tried to stop me.  My father tried to stop me.  My mother worked for my husband at the time and she became worse and worse with relationships at work too.  That Christmas I saw most of them when they visited our area and we met for lunch and a movie. My siblings looked at me like I was a fragile piece of china and talked to me like I was a child.  I could only laugh and mother looked pleased at their cautious treatment of me, like there was something really really wrong with me.  By the end of the lunch, my siblings seemed less tentative and I felt victorious.  The experience still hurt deeply.

Without my therapist's help, I would have been devastated by their response and wonder if I could have told the truth.  Mother started blaming and gaslighting and silent treatment, withdrawal, confrontational texts, shaming, exclusion, playing the victim, etc.  Again, with my therapist, I drafted what to say to my sister who didn't know about her husband.  In January of 2017 after multiple attempts to travel to meet her face to face (her husband kept saying the dates wouldn't work), I called my sister and tearfully told her what I knew of the event that had happened over 20 years ago and asked her forgiveness for not telling her then. Her initial response was to see a therapist and confront her husband, but by the end of the weekend, she had taken "sides" with my mother.  My sister texted me to say that our parents did the right thing by not telling her.  I read her words and I could hear my mother saying them. 

Since that time, I have been in weekly therapy with a fantastic therapist.  In August of 2017, after months of silent treatment and awkward interactions, my mother texted me in a very clearly unsafe and forceful tone that we need to talk. I set a limit and said I was not ready yet, and that I am in a season of reflection, etc. - words carefully chosen by me and my therapist.  Her response was to quit working for my husband the next day after 10 years (and now her cruelty to people at work has come to light).  She and my dad starting being forceful in wanting to see my kids for birthdays and I chose a safe place to meet them where we could get in and get out, with my strong husband there to protect me. 

Then they began physically withdrawing when they I wouldn't meet them where they wanted or do the activities they wanted.  When I'd call my father to say hello or check-in he could be funny and at ease.  But the last time we talked he called me back and wanted a father to daughter talk.  It was horrible, and I felt like I did when I was a kid.  Shamed, blamed, and controlled.  At least at the beginning of the conversation, when I could hear my mother in his words.  Then he would soften as I continued to say that I wasn't ready yet and that I love her, etc.  Even after that call, I asked if they could meet that weekend for my daughter's birthday.  We did meet, and he was nice enough, but mother was silent, cold, distant, except to the grandkids.  She did not answer my questions about what she's doing in her retirement, although I had heard elsewhere that she's homeschooling my sister's kids via skype (the one who had unwanted sexual advances from my brother-in-law).  My husband and I went on a 20th anniversary trip out of the country recently and I texted my parents before I left the name of our sitter and to let them know we were going to be gone.  Neither of them responded. 

Prior to that, I sent gifts and cards (at the urging of my therapist and very hard for me to do) every week to mother when she thought she might have cancer (come to find out later cancer was extremely unlikely but she kept me hanging for 2 months).  I had a mother's day rose bush delivered for her and she didn't respond about that either.  My therapist said that my mother is ramping up, and I need to do grief work again.  I am on Step 4 in the yellow workbook from Adult Children of Alcoholics and Dysfunctional families with a friend and attend meetings occasionally, along with weekly therapy.  I need to connect with a community of people who understand the specific dysfunction well, and don't say things that just heighten my false guilt nor encourage me to put my heart in danger.  I need validation.  I need identification - to read your experience and know I'm not the only one.  I need affirmation that I am doing the right thing by stepping back from the relationship.  I need understanding.  Hence joining this message board and looking to be on this journey with you all.     

The biggest thing I struggle with is integrating the good and bad in my mother right now.  Things keep coming to light and it's painful.  I think I need affirmation that I have the right to be angry and have space for a time until I can heal. 

Thanks for reading my story, if you made it this far!  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2018, 02:03:29 PM »

Quote from: Melanie Mellon
In January of 2017 after multiple attempts to travel to meet her face to face (her husband kept saying the dates wouldn't work), I called my sister and tearfully told her what I knew of the event that had happened over 20 years ago and asked her forgiveness for not telling her then. Her initial response was to see a therapist and confront her husband, but by the end of the weekend, she had taken "sides" with my mother.  My sister texted me to say that our parents did the right thing by not telling her.  I read her words and I could hear my mother saying them. 

I'm so sorry about the difficulties you have had with your family.  I hear how distressing it has been for you and how difficult "the family secret" has been for you to keep.

I offer you this input, not to criticize you or to make you feel guilty for telling your sister. I just want to give you another perspective. I'm sure there are likely details unknown to me, that influenced your decision.  I'm just sharing one point of view, from reading this one post.

I think it is possible that your sister really would have rather NOT heard about the situation. (Without heavy influence from you mom to promote her own POV). I wouldn't have wanted to be told, after 20 years, especially if things were going well in the marriage at the time I was told. Once the information is shared, the family dynamics for your sister's relationship with her husband, and the entire family are forever changed.  (Especially if things are going well with your sister's marriage at the time)

I would have appreciated the information in the following situations:
1. While engaged, before marrying the person.
2. Before having children (Especially if the marriage was rocky).
3. If the marriage was rocky already. The signs were there of current unfaithfulness, and/or either I or children were being mistreated in some way.
4.  Currently considering a separation or divorce.

For many situations, what might seem like the ethical thing to do (for you), might not necessarily be the best thing to do from someone else's perspective (your sister). I found this article, in Psychology Today, interesting.  It explores both sides of the issue of whether to tell someone about an affair.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/maybe-its-just-me/201008/should-you-tell-your-friend-his-or-her-partner-is-cheating

Have you discussed the aftermath of your disclosure with your therapist?  If your therapist didn't point out the possibiity of the current outcome, I'm thinking that your therapist did you a disservice. One choice could have been that telling your sister, at this point in time, was not the right choice for your sister. Processing and releasing your guilt, could have been an alternate choice (gaining skills to stop rumination and releasing the guilt)

Again, my intent in this post is NOT to criticize your for your decision, or say that it was wrong.  I'm just trying to give you one point of view from reading your post. Sometimes, a stranger can help steer you towards a beneficial thought process. 

We can't change others, but we can adjust the way we interact and react to others and make things better for us. We can set our own boundaries and enforce them. It's okay to take a period of "no contact" and process your anger.

We can't change the past, but we can choose to make a better future and improve our interactions with difficult people in our lives (from our perspective).  I'm thinking that even an emotionally healthy family would have some things to work through with your "family secret"

 
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2018, 06:01:00 PM »

Hi MM,

I don’t usually post on this board, but your PM brought me here. I read your very compelling story and I am surprised how much it brought up for me. I thank you for sharing this!

My mother’s generation of my family has a lot of trauma and secrets. To be honest, for my mother I was a trauma and there were a lot of secrets and lies she told me about me that I’m still learning about.

It’s not fun.

Fortunately, I built a strong and stable identity for myself, so her changing stories about me don’t really affect me so much, other than I’m tired of hearing them.

So, all that to say that I applaud your efforts to do what you had to do in your family situation to help you establish a world of truth that you want to live in. It is not easy to establish that world when others want to live in their bubbles of denial.

I have to admit I may be in a bubble of denial about the reality of my current relationship. My SO’s mood swings have created two versions of reality and I can’t stand living a life with two versions of reality. I want one.

I wish you peace on your journey and thank you for drawing me over here to get to hear about your story!

with appreciation, pearl.
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