Home page of BPDFamily.com, online relationship supportMember registration here
March 28, 2025, 02:31:45 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Board Admins: Kells76, Once Removed, Turkish
Senior Ambassadors: EyesUp, SinisterComplex
  Help!   Boards   Please Donate Login to Post New?--Click here to register  
bing
Experts share their discoveries [video]
100
Caretaking - What is it all about?
Margalis Fjelstad, PhD
Blame - why we do it?
Brené Brown, PhD
Family dynamics matter.
Alan Fruzzetti, PhD
A perspective on BPD
Ivan Spielberg, PhD
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: She agreed to therapist now I feel I’m pulled back in  (Read 492 times)
TangoMike

*
Offline Offline

What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Romantic partner
Posts: 10


« on: August 03, 2018, 11:12:49 AM »

I’ve been seeing a therapist for the past six months to focus on myself (poor boundaries, co-dependency, “nice guy”) and bettering the relationship with uBPDw.   I’ve already written more about this, so won’t go into much background here.

I’ve made a lot of progress and I’m getting better at not JADEing, staying in control, not jumping in to “save” my wife from her own bad decisions/mistakes, etc.  I’m proud of my changes. I’ve also seen a lawyer to understand the separation and divorce process better just in case things go that way. I’ve been taking time for myself and getting back into hobbies I used to enjoy. Overall I feel more confident and in control.

As I’ve made these changes our relationship has gotten even worse. She says I’ve changed for the worse and doesn’t like the new me (no shock there). She’s asked me to leave our bedroom and take off my wedding ring (she took hers off years ago after an argument). She’s told the kids that “mom and dad are just friends.”  She frequently asks me for a separation and to “let her go.”  I tell her I don’t agree with these decisions she makes, but I tell her I can’t stop her.  She has to live with what she says and does.  I’ve been sleeping in our daughter’s room for a few months. Wife and I rarely talk and life is really getting sad and depressing for us all. I hate how I’m living and sad that our kids (8,10,12) see this dysfunction.  I know I can’t count on wife to create action. I need to be the one to create a better life for me and kids.

I finally told my wife this week that we need to make a change and I don’t want to live like this anymore.  I told her I want to see a marriage therapist and really commit this time, unlike our past two attempts where wife just complained about me the whole time and argued with the therapist. I need for her to really take therapy seriously and deal with her BPD characteristics that are creating instability and chaos. And I’m willing to make changes too.  I know a marriage with BPDw can only work when there is serious long term therapy. She told me again how she does not believe in therapy and likes the way she is and has no intention to change. I said since she does not want to change then I want a separation.

She panicked and begged to go to therapy saying she’ll do whatever I want.  I asked why the change, and she said she still doesn’t believe in it, but wants to save our marriage.  So now I’m in a bind. She doesn’t believe in it. I feel it will be a waste of our time. But I am willing to go to therapy with her because I think it can help her. I want to find someone who specializes in marriage counseling AND personality disorders.  And I want my wife to know it’s a commitment to therapy or separation.  If she bails on therapy after 1-2 meetings, or tells the therapist she doesn’t want to change anything about herself, then I file for separation.

I’d like feedback on this plan. Am I being fair to her, and to me?  Am I getting pullled back in when I should move ahead? I want to respect what I said to her. And I want to be fair and know I’ve handled this whole thing with compassion and fairness.  I still love her and want to keep our family intact if I can. I want to be a positive role model for the kids.  But I’m not living like this anymore.

Thanks for any input, insight, advice.
TM
Logged
PLEASE - NO RUN MESSAGES
This is a high level discussion board for solving ongoing, day-to-day relationship conflicts. Members may appear frustrated but they are here for constructive solutions to problems. This is not a place for relationship "stay" or "leave" discussions. Please read the specific guidelines for this group.

pearlsw
********
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Romantic partner
Posts: 2801


"Be kind whenever possible, it is always possible"


« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2018, 10:46:23 PM »

Hi TM,

Your post has some really inspirational thoughts in it! I mean how you put the focus on yourself, wanted to make personal changes, want things to be good for your kids, and simply how you've declared you "don't want to live like this anymore".

I think one thing I would suggest you consider though is letting go of some of your expectations of your spouse in terms of how she feels about doing the therapy. That could change. Try not to let her feelings about it color it. It's like eating vegetables, she might not know why they are good for her, but if she eats them they will make her healthier. Okay, not the best comparison! But still, let the process and the potential outcome guide you here. The expectation on this is just going to make you feel disappointed and bring you pain.

It's not that you should not have expectations in a relationship, but don't set this one too high. And keep in mind it could take a lot of time. And her changes could be small and slow.

I'm at a similar point, wondering if counseling would make any difference. In my case I am not sure how much time/patience I have left for this. I'd like my peace.

sincerely, pearl.
Logged

Walk on a rainbow trail, walk on a trail of song, and all about you will be beauty. There is a way out of every dark mist, over a rainbow trail. - Navajo Song
once removed
BOARD ADMINISTRATOR
**
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Ex-romantic partner
Posts: 12813



« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2018, 11:32:49 PM »

She panicked and begged to go to therapy saying she’ll do whatever I want.  I asked why the change, and she said she still doesn’t believe in it, but wants to save our marriage.  So now I’m in a bind. She doesn’t believe in it. I feel it will be a waste of our time. But I am willing to go to therapy with her because I think it can help her. I want to find someone who specializes in marriage counseling AND personality disorders.  And I want my wife to know it’s a commitment to therapy or separation.  If she bails on therapy after 1-2 meetings, or tells the therapist she doesn’t want to change anything about herself, then I file for separation.

realistic expectations are important here, in whatever you do.

for example, this is a significant swing for her. be hopeful, but be realistic in that she may change her mind, and shut it down before it happens. if this is a deal breaker for you, be prepared to respond accordingly. i wouldnt scold or pounce... .it wouldnt hurt to listen to and validate her concerns... .the idea of therapy makes a lot of people very uneasy, and want to balk, and if she feels good about it, it might allay her concerns.

couples therapy can be a blessing or a disaster, and a lot of the outcome depends on those realistic expectations. often times, a couple will enter therapy with the expectation that the therapist will see everything wrong with the other partner, and fix them. this is an expectation that even if youre aware of it, can be very hard to keep in check.

ideally, a good couples therapist works to hear both of you, and is in it for "the team", not one side. ideally, over time, that couples therapist helps the couple to better get on the same page together, taking into account the full perspective of both parties (the valid and invalid), and the shortcomings and strengths of each.

realistically, that does not occur in one or two sessions. realistically, one or both partners vent everything wrong about the other and try (even unknowingly) to get the therapist to side with them. realistically, expect that your wife may do this. expect that the therapist may validate her concerns and her side of the conflict. realistically, dont do it yourself - dont approach couples therapy this way or of course your wife will be likely to end the sessions. approach it with open ears, and an open mind. listen. try not to be too defensive or present all of the story as you see it in a way that undermines/invalidates (or otherwise JADEs) hers. if you want results, play a longer game, and be constructive. be strong, and be patient.

I’d like feedback on this plan. Am I being fair to her, and to me?  Am I getting pullled back in when I should move ahead? I want to respect what I said to her. And I want to be fair and know I’ve handled this whole thing with compassion and fairness.  I still love her and want to keep our family intact if I can. I want to be a positive role model for the kids.  But I’m not living like this anymore.

if you dont have the patience to play that long game (assuming it goes that way - it might not), be realistic with yourself.

but if you do, approach it as we do on this board. we come here to get perspective on how we contribute to the dysfunction in the relationship, how we can improve things, and clean up our side of the street. sometimes that in itself is a significant improvement, and enough. sometimes, our partners follow our lead, and even thrive. and sometimes, for a variety of reasons, even after weve done that work, the relationship is no longer for us, and fails. when that happens, i think it really helps to be able to say that we put that hard work in, and gave it our all, and i think doing so puts us on a much smoother path.
Logged

     and I think it's gonna be all right; yeah; the worst is over now; the mornin' sun is shinin' like a red rubber ball…
Can You Help Us Stay on the Air in 2024?

Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Our 2023 Financial Sponsors
We are all appreciative of the members who provide the funding to keep BPDFamily on the air.
12years
alterK
AskingWhy
At Bay
Cat Familiar
CoherentMoose
drained1996
EZEarache
Flora and Fauna
ForeverDad
Gemsforeyes
Goldcrest
Harri
healthfreedom4s
hope2727
khibomsis
Lemon Squeezy
Memorial Donation (4)
Methos
Methuen
Mommydoc
Mutt
P.F.Change
Penumbra66
Red22
Rev
SamwizeGamgee
Skip
Swimmy55
Tartan Pants
Turkish
whirlpoollife



Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2006-2020, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!