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« on: July 31, 2018, 09:26:48 AM »

Hey good people,

Just wanted to start a thread to express my sincere excitement that I feel like I've found a therapist locally that I can get real with, and that I'm in a place to do some of that exploration. I dumped the last one because she hung out on her laptop the entire time and didn't really work with me at all. I'll take that as win that I was able to decide that I wanted something more for myself and moved on.

So last night, I opened up the topic with my new T: why did I fall apart in this relationship? I'm strong, resilient, independent, flexible, and I've seen some stuff in my lifetime, gotten through it, and have come out the other side whole. Even through the downfall of my marriage, I barely indulged my despair for too long, didn't try to make a villain out of my STBXw too much, and always always always treated her with respect and dignity in our conversations. I'm the one people come to when hard stuff is going down. My mom and I joke that I don't have fair weather friends, I have foul weather friends. Is your life falling apart? Go talk to Lighthouse.

So why, oh why, I asked my T, did I crumble in my marriage? Why did I fall apart into a mess of anxiety and OCD and gain a bunch of weight and turn into a shell of a human being? Was she really that good? Or is there something about me that I need to learn right now, to go deeper with, to figure out why it was possible for me to fall apart like that so slowly over time?

Those of you that have been diagnosed with CPTSD probably understand what I'm saying here, and my T did bring up that it was the constant nature of the subtle bad stuff that made me crumble. It's just amazing to me, because here I am, less than a year out, and I already look and feel nothing like the person that was in that relationship. Don't get me wrong, there are still hard times (they usually line up w/the times I have to have contact with her for the divorce) and I still find myself playing memories over at weird times. But, I'm training 5 days a week and the fitter I get the more I remember how good I am at enduring discomfort and even enjoying my own crazy relentlessness. I'm one of those nut jobs that smiles in the face of pain and likes to run head first into tough situations.

I'm not just talking about hard workouts - I'm talking about grief and disaster, too. A while back, my cousin was brutally murdered and the crime is still unsolved. No one has really been able to make contact with her parents because they've shut themselves in and have absolutely collapsed in their grief (who could blame them?). About a week ago, after visiting with another person after her dad died, my mom and I got up the courage to show up at their house unannounced to see if they'd let us in to sit with them. The house had signs up asking people to stay out and no visitors and what not, but we tried our luck anyways and knocked on the door. When they saw us, they let us in, and my mom lead the way with the perfect thing to say (I've learned so much from her): "I know there's nothing I can say to make things better, I know that you want people to stay away, but I just want you to know that I have no idea what is right here but I feel like not showing up to be with you isn't right. So we're here, and you can tell us to leave and we won't be hurt, but we're here and want to remember your daughter with you if that would be ok." We were let in, had a hard but good visit for about 20 minutes, and I couldn't help but think that all the hard stuff I've been through helped me to stand solidly in front of them and be less afraid.

But again - this was still my character in our relationship, just not with her, unless there was a major crisis (her dad had a heart attack at one point, and I was solid). Why the heck couldn't I keep up that solid character in the day to day? Why was it so easy to fall apart into a charade of obsessions and compulsions?

My T said what I suspected - that when you can't rely on somebody, when you can't have expectations, when the target is constantly moving, it's easy to turn inward and make maladaptive ploys at control through OCD stuff. What sucks though? My STBXw engaged in my OCD stuff, we had cute rituals even around some of it, and I felt like she was making all of it ok and was an understanding human. Never would I have suspected that the OCD stuff was coming from something missing in our relationship, nor would I have seen how everything I was doing made it so easy for her to devalue and discard me. When she first expressed that something was missing in our relationship (and I of course was fighting like hell for her), she cited my "illness" (which I immediately got help for) and how it made it hard to connect with me. When I got help, turned things around quickly, she then accused me of gaslighting her for all of a sudden being a "fun" person. The fun me was a pretend me she said, just meant to put down her experience of me as not real, and therefore gaslighting her. She had mountains of evidence for this in her head, and I just kind of kept crumbling. Feelings = facts right?

Who else went through something similar? Looking back, I felt like I was just constantly chasing our relationship (even though we were married), like it was always one step ahead of me and that everything I was doing was putting me further and further behind, injuring me so that I became less and less capable of being an equal partner. No wonder I crumbled, because that's exhausting.

I bring all of this up because I'm exploring a major career/life change and part of that exploration means really getting a sense of my capabilities and insecurities. I'm getting real with my therapist because I want to be diligent about this process and have some accountability as I conduct my exploration. A friend of mine recently challenged me: "You're attracted to healing dysfunction and running head first at dysfunction - maybe it's time to explore that vocationally and not in your relationships?" That comment has been ringing in my head and I'm doing the vocational exploration now - which comes with another question of "what kind of relationship would I have to be in, in order to be sustainable in that work?" Certainly not one with someone who doesn't have a stable sense of self, or won't get support for that challenge.



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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2018, 06:21:13 AM »

So last night, I opened up the topic with my new T: why did I fall apart in this relationship? I'm strong, resilient, independent, flexible, and I've seen some stuff in my lifetime, gotten through it, and have come out the other side whole... .Is your life falling apart? Go talk to Lighthouse.

Hi Lighthouse, I love your post. I can so relate to much of what you write. I could have written the above word for word.

My r/s was different than yours. It was long distance, of short duration - a few months. When he left, which he did in layers, first "let's just be friends" then ghosting, it was disappointing to me but it would have been easy to bounce back, I've been through so many ups and downs that it would have taken a few weeks to weather it and then done.

But that was just the beginning. I've concluded that my ex is probably more narc than anything, although he has bp issues, and his "parting gift" has been a year-plus of cyber-stalking. I've written in more detail elsewhere here but suffice to say the past year has turned my life inside out and I find it hard to trust now. I've given up a lot of on-line activity including internet dating. I've had to purchase all new devices because he ruined my old, and changed phone numbers a couple of times. Ultimately I'll be forced to move because my home address is associated with my phone numbers. So spent thousands of dollars defending myself against him and attempting to regain my privacy. I'm currently on a disability pension while he's a CEO, and this is wrong on so many levels. Anyway I say this to share that my stress came not out of the r/s but its aftermath.

If there's a silver lining it's that I now know more about electronic security than most of my friends. I'd go into this field except I don't really enjoy it. Not surprisingly.  

So why, oh why, I asked my T, did I crumble in my marriage? Why did I fall apart into a mess of anxiety and OCD and gain a bunch of weight and turn into a shell of a human being?


You're not alone in this. I've had my share of tough times, but nothing has ever affected me this way. I also gained weight and became anxiety ridden and depressed to the point where day after day, all I could do was sit and stare. I couldn't crack a joke for the better part of a year. For months I had panic attacks, my hair fell out in clumps. These things have improved but I'm still going through it, still I'm not "me."

So like you I'm left trying to make lemonade out of lemons.

I sent my ex an email a couple weeks ago hoping he'd get in touch directly so this cyber-stalking would end, by mutual agreement, or even just because if we had direct contact I thought maybe, just maybe he would be shamed into giving up this other life he has. Maybe he would step out of the shadows and be his best self. If he stopped this wayward behavior, it would augment my healing. It takes courage to own your stuff, and the more deviant the behavior the more courage it takes. For so long I thought of him as lion-hearted, a man who must have the courage within to fight this stuff inside him. I admired him, after what he's been through ... .I don't know his story, just glimpses he shared with me, but I'm sure it was horrible or he wouldn't behave this way. I wanted to feel his humanity and know that he felt mine, to make peace.

But no response. He's still in hiding. He's a narc. He's a cockroach, turn on the light and he runs. More than anything now, when I think of a narc I think, Coward. He tried to bully me into isolation because he knows I moved to a new city and have needed to meet new friends. When I moved here I thought he would be one of those friends, even if he wanted nothing more a friend is of value. But no. He apparently found me terrifying. Bullies are cowards, we all know that.

I'm long on compassion and forgiveness, but I need to see people's effort to do right, even if they fail often and only succeed sporadically. But this man never even tried to make amends or do right by me.

Those of you that have been diagnosed with CPTSD probably understand what I'm saying here, and my T did bring up that it was the constant nature of the subtle bad stuff that made me crumble. ... .I remember how good I am at enduring discomfort and even enjoying my own crazy relentlessness. I'm one of those nut jobs that smiles in the face of pain and likes to run head first into tough situations.

I haven't discussed a formal dx with my therapist, I wonder if it is this. I can relate to this bolded section. This week I asked her to do some EMDR with me to help me get past.

The "running head first into tough situations" -- I so relate to this career-wise, in fact crisis management is part of what I've done, as well as event production. I love solving problems and putting out fires in different situations.

I'm not just talking about hard workouts - I'm talking about grief and disaster, too.

A while back, my cousin was brutally murdered and the crime is still unsolved.  

I'm so very sorry about your cousin. I admire the way your mother handled the visit and you were there with her, standing for your aunt and uncle. I can't imagine what they're going through.

My T said what I suspected - that when you can't rely on somebody, when you can't have expectations, when the target is constantly moving, it's easy to turn inward and make maladaptive ploys at control through OCD stuff.

This makes sense. People who are mentally tough tend to fix things, then blame ourselves when we can't. But these r/s make it very clear how much is out of our hands. If a pwbp has real courage, they CAN turn themselves around, but if they lack that courage or lack motivation because their lives are just enough to be livable as they are, they won't help themselves. In which case no one on the outside can do anything. It's truly up to each of us to be our best self, and the yearning to do so can only come from within. Some of us are inspired by others to dig deep, find our shadows and bring them into the light. I know others, many others, have inspired me, and I might be some people's inspiration. But some are impervious.

I bring all of this up because I'm exploring a major career/life change and part of that exploration means really getting a sense of my capabilities and insecurities. I'm getting real with my therapist because I want to be diligent about this process and have some accountability as I conduct my exploration. A friend of mine recently challenged me: "You're attracted to healing dysfunction and running head first at dysfunction - maybe it's time to explore that vocationally and not in your relationships?" That comment has been ringing in my head and I'm doing the vocational exploration now - which comes with another question of "what kind of relationship would I have to be in, in order to be sustainable in that work?" Certainly not one with someone who doesn't have a stable sense of self, or won't get support for that challenge.

Kudos to you for re-examining your career! This is a brilliant response to what you've been through. Victor Frankl (doctor, author and concentration camp survivor) identified how crucial it is to our surviving and thriving to make meaning out of our experiences, and this is exactly what you're doing.

I had a budding new career in a field I've longed to be in my entire life, and in the past year I've stalled and have done almost no work in this. I've also felt terrible guilt for "letting" this experience bring me to my knees when in the big picture it's just the actions of some moron loser who can't handle having an intimate relationship so this is apparently his "thing." Has absolutely zero to do with me, except that I became ensnared in his life and twisted effed up brain. I was a fly that flew into his spider's web.

I wish you well, I do believe you are on the right path.  
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2018, 08:25:34 PM »

Hi lighthouse9,

Thank you for sharing about your story! This is really insightful and I got a lot out of reading it.

Sorry for the loss of your cousin! I am impressed by both you and your mom! That was a noble effort to make that visit.

Glad to hear about your fitness routine. I am off my game this year due to injuries and stress and I believe it really makes a difference to maintain my health. It is extremely hard to be with someone with severe mental health issues and takes an unbelievable toll on a person.

I also really admire that you talk in a balanced and compassionate way about your ex.

So are you looking for a relationship currently? Or still waiting a bit? What would you be looking for given all you've been through?

wishing you peace and love, pearl.
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2018, 08:12:38 AM »

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Just wanted to start a thread to express my sincere excitement that I feel like I've found a therapist locally that I can get real with, and that I'm in a place to do some of that exploration.

Yay!  Great work, lighthouse9.    I found a T I like earlier this year and working with her has felt wonderful.

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I bring all of this up because I'm exploring a major career/life change and part of that exploration means really getting a sense of my capabilities and insecurities.

I'm with spacecadet, this sounds like a clever and potentially productive exploration.

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A friend of mine recently challenged me: "You're attracted to healing dysfunction and running head first at dysfunction - maybe it's time to explore that vocationally and not in your relationships?" That comment has been ringing in my head . . .

What about this made it ring, do you think?  What did you connect with?
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