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« on: October 13, 2020, 11:51:23 AM »

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My name is Katie and my eldest daughter has BPD.  She was diagnosed with Bi-polar 4 years ago and was medicated but it didn't change her behavior at all.  She continued to rage, blame, need, etc as her life continued to spiral.  She has been unable to keep a job, a relationship or a routine of any kind.  And now she is living with my mother who has determine that "she is fine" and that I am the one with the problem.  It's been devastating.  As I work on my own healing and establish healthy boundaries (something I hadn't ever done before) the rage intensifies and the family alliances are forming.  It's all been devastating but I know I can only control myself in this situtation so I'm trying to just focus on my health and wellness.  Any advice from other family members out there is much appreicated. 

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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2020, 01:58:06 PM »

Hi there Katie Welcome new member (click to insert in post)

Welcome to you...hope you find participating here as helpful as I have found it to be.

I, too, have a daughter who struggles with life...has done so since she was in her early teens.  While she has many times over the years acknowledged she has problems and has gone to see many counsellors, she has never been clinically diagnosed.  Her problems in her eyes, though, have always been seen to be the cause of someone else...not her.  The counsellors we have gone to see for ourselves have suggested BPD as being her "culprit."

It wasn't until I started to get more educated on BPD that I was able to "label" some of her behaviours.  "Triangulation" was one of them.  This with her had/has been one of her traits.  I can so understand what seems to be happening with your mother and your daughter.  How convincing these BPD'ers can be.  Of course another trait of theirs is the black/white thinking.  Most times there is no in-between.  So, as long as one stays on their "white" side...no problem.  Seems your mother hasn't crossed the line with her...might yet happen...might not.

With that said, I so know the hurt that you are feeling in this Triangulation.  Those two people are the important bookends in your life.   Hurtful, hurtful, hurtful!  No doubt your daughter is working her "magic" with others...building up her alliances.  Unless someone shares with you, you have no idea what she is saying.  And when you do know...what to do?  It can turn into a she-said-he-said situation with no winners and you can be left more depleted than when you started to defend yourself.

In our case, our daughter has always felt that her father (my husband of 58 years) walks on water while I can be her heroine one minute...her nemesis the next.  She works hard to put the wedge between us.  My husband has never been the object of her wrath and will sometimes question why I don't just ignore her barbs.  Oh so easy to do...right? Frustrated/Unfortunate (click to insert in post)

It is good to read your..."It's all been devastating but I know I can only control myself in this situation so I'm trying to just focus on my health and wellness."  Way to go! (click to insert in post)   You go, Girl!  There is no doubt in my mind that is a work-in-progress for you.  Some days you feel strong...on others you waiver.  That is just the way it goes on our way towards healing... but you keep at it!

When I started participating in this forum I was broken...my world was very black.  What helped me so much was putting my fingers on the keyboard...pouring out my heart and my hurts...then finding that I was being heard...my feelings validated.  It was then I was able to start holding my head up and better deal with my daughter's bullying of me.

I so urge you to continue on here, Katie.  Keep that momentum going as you focus on your health/wellness.  We are just as important as these troubled individuals who share our lives.  Our well-being is a first and foremost...a must!

((HUGS)  Virtual hug (click to insert in post) to you, fellow Mom.

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2020, 11:59:25 PM »

Katie, my H is uBPD, and he has a uBPD D.  Needless to say, I understand your pain.  pwBPD have really no idea who they are, and they tend to lash out at family members, trying to play them off each other.  When she was a teen, she tried to get my H to divorce me and almost succeeded.

Please seek counseling for yourself and try to understand this is not your fault.  Is is common for BPDs to be misdiagnosed as bi polar if the therapist or psychologist does not know the subtle nuances that make each disorder distinct.   Virtual hug (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2020, 10:39:24 AM »

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It's definitely a positive sign that you are working on establishing your own healthful boundaries; it's not clear to me whether "the rage intensifies" is a reference to your own state or your daughter's - but either way I hope it's something that calms down and doesn't resurface with the same intensity in the future. The good news, in a world of bad news, is that the majority of BPD cases get substantially less uncontrollable as they exit the teen years and continue to age. They don't radically become entirely different people, but they also decrease the frequency of things like suicide attempts, often drastically reduced...so God-willing things will get better, just endure the hard times now.

It sounds so frustrating for her to have been misdiagnosed, as AskingWhy says - unfortunately it's not uncommon for general professionals to confuse BPD and Bipolar. Some doctors, nurses, even general psychiatrists and psychologists have made the mistake, and not as a slip of the tongue, but casually dismissing BPD as some lesser variation on Bipolar. The truth is, professionals are advised against taking Borderline patients among their clients; if a certain percentage (I believe the number quoted to me in a specific region was 8%) of their clients have BPD-symptoms then their insurance rates skyrocket...and they're told from the start, that unless they are specialists, they are not likely to be able to help BPDs. So you end up with a medical community that has "BPD specialists", "Others, who know what BPD is and stay away from it", "Others, who didn't pay attention to what BPD is because they intend to stay away from it" and "Others, who think they are qualified and experts for anything to do with mental health...but are wrong".

As it sounds like you've experienced, Bipolar meds like lithium really do nothing to help with BPD. Many people will say that CBT/DBT therapy works wonders (big hitch here is that with their self-image being dependent on others' perceptions of them - they can be notoriously difficult to get to complete a course), and others will say that meds have been literal life-savers. (There is no "prescribed medication for BPD", it's all just treating the symptoms - but anxiolytics like Ativan and Xanax are common, SSRIs sometimes, etc).

A parting question, and a thought -

Question: You mention the Bipolar was diagnosed, but haven't mentioned how it was determined she's BPD (other than I assume you recognise her actions); have you been able to get a professional to see her in regards to BPD? Does she accept that she has BPD or Bipolar or neither?

Thought: Since there are hereditary and childrearing causes for many BPD cases, it's common for both parents and outsiders to start questioning whether the parents did something 'wrong' and to question whether they possibly also have (much milder) BPD themselves. It sounds like your own mother might be believing that - which doesn't necessarily mean it's true because the one thing with which this forum will agree...BPDs are cunning experts at playing family alliances against each other for maximum destruction. Your mother may back your daughter for a year or more insisting she's an angel, before discovering randomly one morning that she has woken up to find herself demonised and cast as your daughter's arch-villain...and only then will she understand. I wish I had advice on how to explain BPD to those who haven't studied it, but as this post began...even general professionals can be obtuse about what it actually is.

If it gets confirmed as BPD - deal with specialists; because paramedics, police, therapists, lawyers, psychiatrists, well-meaning friends and relatives...those who dismiss BPD as "I think it's like Bipolar but y'know, slightly different", are going to ultimately be a huge liability for being detrimental to the situation.
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