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« on: March 31, 2013, 12:50:48 PM »

I find myself bouncing back and forth between believing that my x2b really and genuinely loves the kids (and therefore I should be in favor of co-parenting as far as possible) and fearing that her primary motives are to be seen as a good parent, and to win the children away from me (since she sees me as her enemy).

Is she capable of thinking about what is genuinely in the interests of the kids (for their sake)?
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2013, 01:12:47 PM »

Hi rogerroger,

I have the double whammy of a BPDexH and also a BPDexW of my NonH. Together, NonH and I are raising all the kids as he is residential parent and so am I. Both of the BPD parents live out of state. BPDmom sees her 3 S only for disney weekends and also for about 6 weeks of Summer vacation. BPDexH in my case, does not see my 2 DD and they are happy as he was abusive.

We've been married 6 years and it has taken a long time to come to this relatively calm state.

I find myself bouncing back and forth between believing that my x2b really and genuinely loves the kids (and therefore I should be in favor of co-parenting as far as possible) and fearing that her primary motives are to be seen as a good parent, and to win the children away from me (since she sees me as her enemy).

Is she capable of thinking about what is genuinely in the interests of the kids (for their sake)?

In my experience, pwBPDs thinking is controlled by their emotions-- not ever or rarely the other way around.

It's about recognizing that:

Sometimes she can think about the kids and do what is in their best interest.

Other times she just wants to be seen as a good parent.

Other times you are the enemy.

If you can picture all 3 happening simultaneously in the space of 10 minutes along with a big dose of feeling as if she is the worst mom on the planet and you are the worst dad on the planet... .


then you have insight into the mind of many Moms with BPD.

I think you need to just act in the best interest of the kids, which means not expecting anything out of her, do what you are capable of. Take on as much of the parenting as humanly possible now. Do not depend on her for anything at all and then be pleasantly surprised.

I don't know all the details of your case, but I can say what is going on in her brain on any given day is probably so confused and so confusing that you really unfortunately can not rely on her good judgement to last more than a few hours at a time.

This, is so hard for my NonH to deal with at times. When I came into the picture and we married, I had to tell him over and over, listen, we can not depend on her for anything. He gets it, he got it, but there was for years, this part of him that just wanted her to function as a good parent I think. She is pretty low functioning. I am not sure how your STBXW falls on this spectrum from high functioning and controlling to low and confused and causing more chaos.

I don't know if you've read the book,  Essential Family Guide to BPD, by Randy Kreger or other books on how the emotions of people with BPD sort of work but there are some insights into their thinking that I've learned that help me a great deal.

I hope this helps a bit.

mamachelle
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2013, 08:07:05 PM »

I remember going through such considerations as yours about my exH.

Almost everything I tried to accomplish through co-parenting did not work because he just couldn't show up and parent consistently or follow through with agreements. His lack of follow through and consistency would work me up into a lather of frustration.

Eventually it dawned on me that what didn't work in the marriage certainly wasn't going to work during the divorce or its aftermath. I had to place his parenting skills in perspective and accept that whatever emotion he felt toward our children or me, would be temporary and as stated:

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If you can picture all 3 happening simultaneously in the space of 10 minutes along with a big dose of feeling as if she is the worst mom on the planet and you are the worst dad on the planet... .  

He never showed up for anything consistently, not scheduled visitations, or agreements. If anything, the more I tried to "include" him in parenting decisions, he would swing 180 in the opposite direction.

The source of my frustration was expecting an overgrown, immature child to parent. When I realized this, that he didn't have the skills or tools to parent, I gradually ceased worrying about the depth of his emotions, or even if genuinely cared about our children... .   I realized how much I cared about them and became determined to be a steady balanced parent, and to keep our home calm and structured if I was going to lessen the BPD (w/NPD traits) storm my children faced when exposed to their father. Sometimes I seethed with bitterness and rage... . but this would happen usually when I tried to co-parent with him because he would seize the opportunity to play the children against me. I quit including him at all, I never asked his opinion, and any communication was done via email to ensure documentation of the communication. If there is an important event, I send the information without invitation, for instance, a ball game, or a choir concert. When I used to invite him, he never showed, unless he had a new GF to impress then he would show up with her and do the dance, even act cordially toward me, when usually he calls me by everything but my name if he catches me alone. He shows up more often now because I don't invite, I just supply information.

I wonder if you have some residual hope that he will follow through as a parent? Some hope that he can co-parent... .   and if you do, what is that hope about?

I know mine was knowing the children deserved a different father and feeling sad and and guilty that I did not provide them one and letting go of my dream of a united family.

It is complicated but please keep posting and trying... . you will find your way. 

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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2013, 12:55:27 PM »

Thanks so much for the supportive replies. It is just hard to proceed on the "expect the worst, but hope for the best" philosophy.
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