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« on: May 01, 2013, 09:15:26 AM »

My mother has told me a few times during my life that she finds me "cold". I think because at an early age I realized that there was something else going on. She wasn't crying just for the sake of crying. She was crying to get something out of us. Her tears were a tool to achieve something.

While I think that this is true, this feeling of being a "cold" person I can't shake. I am warm and outgoing and I love to talk to people about their feelings but there's a level at which I just can't let anyone in. She is right, on some level. I am "cold" in that way. I am always prepared to let people go. My motto is "you can leave whenever you want".

It is extreme, to the point where I encourage my boyfriend to see other women if he wants - because I don't want to "force" him to be with only me.

I think last night I really encountered how lonely that part of me feels. That I have isolated myself in a way from everyone who loves me. I tend to think that people don't "stick" to me because there's something wrong with me. (My mother abandoned me as a child, my father never contacts me). My lasting friendships are all long-distance. I lose friends easily.

But I am starting to think that it is me that is pushing them away, keeping them out. Not sure how to fix that. 



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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2013, 10:31:31 AM »

Hi skelly_bean!  

I think I know what cha mean. Being abandoned by your mother and basically by your father too, can cause serious abandonment issues. Could it be that your motto "you can leave whenever you want" is a way to protect yourself from the abandonment you feel is inevitable? Since the people who were supposed to be your primary caregivers left you, I can understand why you feel hesitant to let people in because they too might leave.
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2013, 10:40:29 AM »

That had to have been hard to hear, skelly.   I can understand why you'd be nervous about letting people get close to you.

Are you afraid that people will leave you like your parents did? Kwamina asks a good question: are you protecting yourself? 

While I think that this is true, this feeling of being a "cold" person I can't shake. I am warm and outgoing and I love to talk to people about their feelings but there's a level at which I just can't let anyone in.



You do sound like a warm person, but one who has been let down from an early age. That wasn't your fault. You deserve to be loved and appreciated.

Do you want a monogamous relationship? if so, what would happen if you asked your boyfriend to not see anyone else? It's worth exploring why you feel that you have to push people away and put your own feelings and needs aside. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 04:38:11 PM »

Thanks Kwamina, I think probably I am protecting myself, but I think that "protecting" implies that I have some control over that part of me. I really feel that it is like a brick wall or something that has been erected but I don't really know how to dismantle.

Do you want a monogamous relationship? if so, what would happen if you asked your boyfriend to not see anyone else? It's worth exploring why you feel that you have to push people away and put your own feelings and needs aside. 

I don't have any interest in seeing anyone else really. If I told my boyfriend not to see anyone else I would feel like I was "forcing" him to be with me. I guess I feel like no one would actually be happy with just me. I guess I know he's staying with me because he wants to if he has the choice to be with someone else any time.

I'll bring this up in therapy, thanks for the thoughts Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 04:59:34 PM »

skelly_bean, my boyfriend and I broke up for a time and he said it was in part because I was "cold". This was the first time I heard this from anyone and when I complained to my mother, she agreed with him. It's not how I had ever thought of myself.

To me, what is the other option? To be needy and demanding like my BPD mother? I admire people who are strong and don't fall apart. She thinks my boyfriend doesn't love me because he doesn't reassure me that he'll never ever leave me. To me, that is not the right thing to say to anyone. People get divorced, break up, separate all the time. You can't know that you'll never leave somebody. My boyfriend is free to leave if he likes - why would I want to be with someone who doesn't want to be with me? I know he struggles with this attitude of mine, but it makes complete sense to me. I don't know if I really am "cold" or not. I'm a realist I think.

I never told my boyfriend not to see anyone else, but I never told him to see anyone else either! If telling him not to see anyone else is forcing him to be with you, is telling him to see other people not forcing him away from you?
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 05:01:14 PM »

Hi skelly_bean!  

I think I know what cha mean. Being abandoned by your mother and basically by your father too, can cause serious abandonment issues. Could it be that your motto "you can leave whenever you want" is a way to protect yourself from the abandonment you feel is inevitable? Since the people who were supposed to be your primary caregivers left you, I can understand why you feel hesitant to let people in because they too might leave.

Very, very good point.

Skelly bean, if you are in fact a 'cold' person, and your mother is not just saying that to you as a projection of herself, it would be a very normal reaction to being abandoned.  I think this article explains avoident reaction better than I would ever be able to.

Cold People: What Makes Them That Way?

Aloof individuals are just trying to protect their vulnerability

Published on June 1, 2011 by Leon F. Seltzer, Ph.D. in Evolution of the Self

The Avoidant Adaptation to Parental Coldness

In response to feeling emotionally disconnected from their primary caregiver, a baby's psychological defense mechanisms relate mostly to their efforts to protect themselves from the painful sting of rejection. And almost all of their safeguards to neutralize such maternal dismissal involve a kind of reactive counter-dismissal.

So, for instance, Mary Main, a student of Ainsworth and another key name in the field, notes (in a co-authored piece entitled, "Avoidance of the Attachment Figure in Infancy," 1982) that newborns who have a mother demonstrably uncomfortable with physical contact eventually stop responding to maternal efforts to hold them. And as Robert Karen, in his excellent introduction to the subject, Becoming Attached: First Relationships and How they Shape Our Capacity to Love (1994), describes it: "They don't cuddle or cling, and when held, they tend to go limp like a sack of potatoes.

Clearly, the avoidantly attached baby has at this point decided that parental dependency is just too risky--especially since in most contexts open displays of dependency have led to hurtful disappointment. If, implicitly, the general message from the withholding (and possibly dissociated) mother is that separateness and autonomy are strongly favored, and that dependency is annoying, antagonizing, and thereby deserving of rejection, the child learns soon enough to make as few demands on her as possible. For to insistently "bother" her for love and have their efforts repeatedly dismissed only functions to contribute to the fear that they may be unlovable--and so expendable.

It's only reasonable that children regularly rebuffed in their attempts to establish a stable, secure attachment with their mother would actively strive to reduce to a minimum their expectations for succor and support. And so they endeavor to "make do" with what little sustenance is available to them. Regrettably, under the circumstances, such an adaptation to their mother's parental deficiencies is unquestionably appropriate. And certainly it helps to decrease otherwise intolerable levels of frustration and defeat. In what I might refer to as "precociously pragmatic," the child establishes just enough proximity to the mother to avoid experiencing outright rejection--while at virtually every turn evading any risk-fraught opportunities for intimacy.

The unsettling fear of being turned away yet again--and the grievous upset of such failure and loss--overwhelms the innate need to feel close and "attuned to" one's principal caregiver. As eminent interpersonal neurobiologist and psychiatrist Daniel Siegel summarizes the situation (in Mindsight, 2010), if the parent doesn't reliably and sensitively respond to the child's signals for contact, "even ignoring these signals and seeming to be indifferent to the child's distress, [then] in order to cope, the child [adaptively] minimizes the activation of the attachment circuitry."

If we were to view this situation psychoanalytically, we might wish to consider Freud's key defenses of repression and denial. For babies who can develop strategies that allay their painful awareness of their mother's frequently dismissive stance toward them can at the same time reduce their disquieting and anxiety-laden emotions about such keenly felt rejection.

And it's not only feelings of hurt, fear, and despondency that the child tries to bury beneath consciousness. It's also the anger--and even rage--at continually being denied the emotional comfort they've so strenuously sought (which at some level they may appreciate as their birthright). By denying almost all of their negative emotions--and doubtless those, too, of their dismissive mother--they somehow manage to assure themselves that things are all right, that they are all right, and that the little love they do receive is, well, good enough after all. And being able to successfully deny their fundamental need for nurturance inoculates them from further attachment pain.

The bottom line here is that children, in their desperate attempts to secure whatever attachment bond may be available from their key caregiver, strive almost literally to make themselves over to become the child most likely to be accepted by her. So in the case of the avoidantly attached child, inborn intimacy-seeking behavior is replaced by behavior stressing separateness and independence--qualities that the child recognizes as strongly preferred by her. The thinking must be something like: "If I can just keep my distance and give her what she seems to want from me, then maybe she'll meet some of my needs." Obviously, the mother's needs and desires must take priority over their own if they're going to survive in such an emotionally impoverished relationship. And though the enormous personal cost of such self- (or soul-) sacrifice--especially viewed long-term--is inordinately high (as I'll show in the concluding section), it's still the best "deal" they can come up with.


Adult Repercussions of Having Learned to Avoidantly Attach

It should be apparent from what I've been describing that I perceive so-called "cold people" as, more than anything else, people who are shut-down, repressed, and out of touch with their deeper feelings. Further, emotionally alienated from themselves, they can hardly be expected to express to others feelings that they themselves are unable to access.

This critical interpersonal problem is an inevitable result of their having adopted massive defenses to protect against maternal rejection. Feeling an acute need to relinquish core parts of the self to safeguard an attachment experienced as tenuous, their expressing--and then even experiencing--certain basic emotions is simply too threatening for them. And the very worse (and saddest) part of this extreme adaptation is that what they conclude must be the best way to act around their mother can easily generalize to the best way to act around everybody. So if it makes perfect sense not to show particular emotions, or emotional needs, with their dismissive caregiver, then it probably also makes good sense to avoid these same feelings with others generally--or at least in the context of potentially "intimate" relationships.

So what are some of the most negative consequences for children whose first experiences were with cold, unresponsive mothers? As already indicated, they all revolve around "universalizing" this seminal relationship--to indiscriminately "avoidantly attach" to all those around them.

Disconnected from many of their own feelings, such individuals frequently struggle to pick up on the nonverbal cues of others, to sense what they're feeling. Fundamental social awareness and sensitivity is lacking in them, for never having been properly attuned to maternally, their feeling (vs. thinking) side has never adequately developed. Because their caregiver couldn't grasp where they were coming from, or allow them a "platform" to safely express their emotions, they, too, are restricted (sometimes severely) in their own ability to tune into others.

Additionally, if their mother intruded on them at times when they needed to be alone (e.g., to help formulate their own personal identity, apart from the distressing relationship so troubling them), the same wall they constructed to fend off such intensely felt violations may still be in place today. And this barrier can exist even though the present-day attachment figure (or would-be attachment figure) might be quite safe--and even nurturing--for them to get close to.

Given that the amount of shared emotion between them and their caregiver was seriously wanting, and also that they frequently felt compelled to shut down any spontaneous expression of feeling they feared might be received negatively, the very capacity for avoidantly attached adults to experience positive emotional states--such as enthusiasm, excitement, pleasure, and delight--may be dwarfed.

After all, as children, simply allowing themselves to let go and be themselves seemed like an unaffordable luxury. So, as adults, close relationships (though they really can't explain it) just make them uncomfortable. And they feel the same way about allowing themselves to depend on others, or to trust them. How could this not be the case when they could never feel at ease in their original "committed" relationship--nor could they comfortably rely on it, or put any faith in it. "Programmed" from the very beginning of their lives to anticipate--and guard against--rejection, as adults they're already primed to avoid anything that might possibly lead to its recurrence. And being so emotionally sealed off from others virtually guarantees that they won't be sufficiently "available" to be vulnerable to such a threat.

Yet, it must be added, this chronic self-insulation also forever denies them their heart's deepest desire--the loving connection that so painfully eluded them originally. Having so thoroughly repressed this longing, they're without any feeling awareness of it. In fact, as the "dismissive adults" they've become, they're even likely to think and speak pejoratively of anything so touchy-feely as, say, sharing, love, or togetherness. Avoidantly attached both as children and adults, such relational concepts as intimacy and interdependence are, frankly, alien to them.

As Siegel puts it in Mindsight, poignantly intimating their denial and lack of self-insight, "The narrative of dismissing adults has a central theme: 'I am alone and on my own.' Autonomy is at the core of their identity. Relationships don't matter, the past doesn't influence the present, they don't need others for anything. Yet of course their needs [however unrecognized] are still in tact."

And if they're women and eventually marry, they're likely (no surprise here) to relate to their newborn in much the same way as their mother related to them. Now dismissive parents themselves, they unconsciously train their own child(ren) to be avoidantly attached to them.

In the end, it's a multi-generational tragedy: a seemingly endless loop of separation and loss. Depending, of course, on just how harshly dismissive the repeating situation started out, childhood victims of cold (or misattuned) mothering are likely to become cold adults, and then cold parents who inadvertently raise their similarly avoidantly attached children to become cold adults, and then cold parents . . . and so on, and so on.

 Note 1: Discussing the ultimate resolution to, or treatment of, this millennial problem would require a book in itself. So I suggest that anyone who'd like to explore this subject more deeply check out the substantial number of works dedicated to it (one of the most recent of which is called Attached: The New Science of Adult Attachment and How It Can Help You Find-and Keep-Love [Dec. 2010] by Amir Levine and Rachel Heller).

Source:  www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/201106/cold-people-what-makes-them-way-part-2

I'm sorry you are dealing with this. Know though that it is a normal defense mechanism.  And if you have it, the first step in healing it is understanding it.  
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 02:18:38 PM »

I never told my boyfriend not to see anyone else, but I never told him to see anyone else either! If telling him not to see anyone else is forcing him to be with you, is telling him to see other people not forcing him away from you?

This is a good point Cleotokos. I won't discount the fact that I feel uncomfortable getting too close to someone. The pattern in my relationships is that after about 2 years I immediately feel the urge to push them as far away as possible. I think I'm trying to mitigate that urge by telling my current boyfriend that he can basically find someone else whenever he wants. Basically if he is considering other people I feel like I have some breathing space.

The idea of getting so attached to someone that I desperately need them is the scariest feeling. When I feel especially happy with him, then I get extreme fear that I will lose it somehow. The two feelings always accompany one another.

Beachbumforlife, that article is really helpful. My mother often would tell me to stop if I was being too affectionate. I get easily triggered if I attempt to cuddle with someone, my boyfriend usually, and he pulls away or seems to not enjoy it or asks for some space. My instinct is to immediately break up with him (I don't, I just get far away so I don't throw a fit).

In what I might refer to as "precociously pragmatic," the child establishes just enough proximity to the mother to avoid experiencing outright rejection--while at virtually every turn evading any risk-fraught opportunities for intimacy.

My mother would tell me to go to my room if I cried, or would simply not react with anything but coldness. She made fun of me to my sister, saying I was a cry-baby. This might be why I have seen unemotionality as a "superior" reaction than being emotional. It is only through lots of therapy that I see crying not as a weakness but as a method of healing.

Also, I have always seen my independence from my mother as a "powerful" thing. The more distance, the more powerful I am. The least I responded emotionally to her emotional demands, the safer I was.

I feel very triggered lately, I think because we are going through some attachment issues in therapy right now. It doesn't help that my boyfriend has been seriously hot and cold the last month or so.

Thanks you guys for the support, it helps a lot to keep feeling balanced. 
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 02:33:01 PM »

beachbumforlife, what an amazing article, so very sad, and shed a lot of light on things for me and I'm sure others. Thanks for sharing that.
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2013, 04:42:37 PM »

I definitely have this too.  It took a long time of being free of my mother and developing other relationships (friendships, mentoring relationships, romantic relationships) before I felt safe enough to really be emotionally available to someone else, and opening up to that person (my husband) brought up A LOT of issues for me.  It was really that that brought me to this site and to recognizing my mother's illness, and choosing to break off my relationship with her.  I had convinced myself that I was fine in the relationship with my mom, and accepted her limitations, and all this stuff.  But really I had just disconnected from and repressed the part of myself that desperately wanted real attention and love from her, which was disappointed so painfully and repeatedly.  Eventually I was able to connect with that part of myself again, though a work of fiction that I really connected with (I wasn't ready to identify those feelings with myself, but I could feel close to a fictional character who had those feelings - of desire to be close to a mother who rejected her).  In feeling for and crying for that character, I felt a part of myself melt and relax from the deep freeze it had been in for my entire conscious life.  And it was that part - the part that craved love, and wasn't afraid to express it - that animated my relationship with my husband, and led to the healing of being able to express that need and dependency and have that be okay and safe this time. 

If you feel unsafe right now because your boyfriend is not being reliable, that might be bringing up all these issues for you, and it might not be the best time to try to get closer to him.  It brought some distance between me and my husband when I started dealing with these memories, and he WAS safe and reliable.  He just wasn't able to understand what I was going through.  I wasn't able to articulate what I was feeling very clearly, because these memories and feelings came from a time before I knew English, I think.  All the way back to early early childhood.  So don't expect a lot of understanding or support within your relationship.  Your therapist might be more helpful right now.  Or others who have been through what you have. 

It's so worth it to rediscover this part of yourself, and to finally give it the love it needed so badly and always deserved.     I hope you find a lot of healing as you work through this. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2013, 08:58:08 AM »

Cordelia,

Can I ask what work of fiction you read? Also, I definitely agree that there is no way for my boyfriend to understand what I'm going through. Or anyone who hasn't been in the same position with their mother. It's great to hear that you successfully moved through that fear of being close. I think I am only realizing now what a distance I put between myself and people.

I have basically broken off my relationship with my mother. Are you NC with yours? I have occasional contact for necessary things... . It still feels like too much sometimes.

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2013, 05:12:42 PM »

The story that had such an impact on me was the story of Robin in the anime One Piece!  It's a little bit obscure, being from Japan and not really getting that much of a following in the US (sadly) but it's the story of this group of pirates, and Robin has the opportunity to join them, but then runs away because she is haunted by her past to the point of total hopelessness and giving up on life.  It's a bit different - her mother was involved in some sort of heroic undertaking, and because of that she abandoned her daughter to a childhood of loneliness, bullying, and indifferent caretakers - and then comes back only to send Robin away again, because the land they are from is being destroyed and she wants to save Robin's life.  It's a bit of a stretch to consider my mother's illness similarly heroic, but there are perhaps some similar aspects - a mother's desire to love, while her actions are saying the opposite - and certainly Robin's desperate longing for her mother and her attachment to her, even when being attached to her means being attached to death and giving up on life - are things I really really understood on a deep level.  And it was so healing for me to see this character's process of coming to the point of realizing that she really wants to live and she wants new adventures and people to trust and to turn her painful legacy into something positive.  It's very hopeful in the end despite the fact that it's a painful story.  One Piece is a really really long anime, but the arc you want is Water 7, if you're going to look into it! 

I am NC with my mother, for the past two and half years.  I didn't really intend for it to last so long - I just started it as a kind of experiment - but it's been so great it's hard to think about going back.  I still think about contacting her sometimes, and I'm not committed to being NC forever, but I also could see things turning out that way, and it doesn't bother me at all.  NC for me was like putting down the bottle for an alcoholic I think - it forced me to stop escaping my everyday challenges by dwelling on the past and obsessing about how I could make my mom love me, and I've found I really prefer living this way.  It was just so dysfunctional with her, and I know that was partly how I approached the relationship too and isn't all her fault, but it is what it is and I don't see it changing. 
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