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Author Topic: He forced me to abandon new timetable  (Read 483 times)
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« on: October 06, 2013, 01:19:48 AM »

Ha. This is so much of a game it is getting ridiculous.

It is a year that I have tried in the most gentle way to ask him to come to terms with my decision to leave and help me fix a plan for the kids to soften the blow on them. But he is devastated and cant get out of victim mode, and by refusing to play ball is making me suffer. God I am suffering I am so stressed and exhausted after a new house move this month that my neck and back are in constant pain, and my children are distressed.

I sent him the idea for a timetable last week. But on the second night they were supposed to stay with him my D11 called me in hysterics and asked me to come and get her. And I found S10 in tears too saying he didnt want to stay there by himself.

So last night which was supposed to be the first alternate SATURDAY that the kids were with him, he called them but didnt mention coming to get them, and I didnt speak to him or message him to raise it. I dont feel happy about sending the kids back to him and pretending that the incident last week didnt happen. incidents like that when he put D 11 under psychological stress over homework are one of the reasons I left.  I know that when he behaves like this he is super nice to the kids afterwards but would never talk to them about what happened just rub out the memory.

So they stayed here. So in a way he has forced me to scupper the new plan. He knows the best way to get to me is to upset the kids. I need to let the kids know that its not OK for daddy to behave like that.

In this way he can frustrate my life, he recently found out I had signed up to online dating... .how humiliating! He even sent me a message when I was online... .so I have now cancelled my account as the idea of him stalking me makes me feel sick.

I am going to try again with the timetable this coming week and write to him with the plan for a whole month. I know he was supposed to seee the family therapist for the first time on Friday, I dont know if he went, he said he would although he didnt see the point.


Today is Sunday but I need to go to the office to catch up with work... .I will take the kids to my exuBPD father, with the promise of a trip to the cinema with friends this evening.

Thank you to all those who have given me advice for the last year, its so helpful to be here talking to you and to hR thenadvice of other parents... .and yes I do now have a lawyer on standby to write him a letter... .im not on my own any more.
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2013, 02:26:52 AM »

They don't care about plans, they have their own plans.

Just document every little detail, because you know they will be.

They'll make you lose your mind, then they'll document anything you do.

So, just stay calm, maybe see some professionals for their advice.

There are some amazing people on this site who can probably point you in the right direction.
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2013, 08:20:12 AM »

thanks, I have just lost my mind. Just drove to a supermarket car park to call him and vent all my frustration and hurt and anger at his behaviour. He screamed at me and hung up. Taunted me that I have put myself on the market for a new man. That is so embarassing I wish it hadnt happened, but at least it has brought things to a head. He insists I destroyed the family. I say I had no choice. I cant bear it. I am in a big mess. Need a new plan.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 11:53:13 AM »

It is a year that I have tried in the most gentle way to ask him to come to terms with my decision to leave and help me fix a plan for the kids to soften the blow on them.

Sorry, there's only so much you can do.  If he were reasonable and thoughtful, he'd 'help' you, but such things fly over his head or he avoids/sabotages them.  The why's don't matter.  You are not getting cooperation, you're being obstructed in various ways.  Accept* that he will not cooperate.  Accept that he will try to make you feel frustrated, helpless, angry, stuck, etc.  Accept that you cannot expect anything except crappy behavior, especially now during the separation phase.

* Acceptance is the last of the 5 stages of Grieving a Relationship Loss.

But he is devastated and cant get out of victim mode, and by refusing to play ball is making me suffer.

He's a big boy - or should be.  As an adult he should accept life's ups and downs.  However, be prepared for the court not to try to change him either.  Court will deal with him as he is, you do the same.  Blaming, blame-shifting, playing games and gotcha maneuvers will happen but don't let him or them catch you off guard.

Don't get into shouting matches with him.  Venting at him won't have a positive impact on him.  Rather, there's a certain amount of risk that he might turn this around on you and claim that you're the one yelling and abusive.  How to view this?  See him as a master manipulator, don't let him be a puppeteer and pull your strings anymore.

With a person like this you can't 'win' at his game, at least not the way he sees 'winning'.  (Think of how a casino operates, although customers - the marks - win often, but overall the House always wins, the odds, the averages, are stacked in the House's favor.  Likewise, he sets himself up like that, his game, his underhanded one-sided rules, he makes it so that playing his games will always make you feel you're the loser.)  Be bigger than him, don't play his mind games.  As others have written, Don't let your ex live rent-free in your head.  Stick to the basics.  He does not see you as an authority.  And by you trying to reason with him you are letting him grab the controlling hand.  So who is the real authority, the authority that matters?  Domestic/Family court.  Stop venting at him, it's a lost cause and he might try to use it against you.  Yes, there is necessary communication, tell him what you see as the actions to take, then emotionally step back, and resist the urge to reason or argue with him.  Look to the court to set up a basic framework going forward.  Focus your energy on getting the best outcome in court.

Repeat:  You can't reason with him, not while he's using unfair emotional blaming against you.  You can't win the Disordered Blame Game.  Change your focus, do your best in family court to get the best orders possible for yourself and the children.  From the sounds of it, the kids won't do well spending much time with your ex, at least not right now during this initial raw separation period.  So don't try to be 'fair' with him and push the kids to spend a lot of time with him.  If there are reasons for his time with them to be limited or somewhat flexible (such as the children having the option to return sooner than scheduled) then don't hesitate to seek to have those conditions included in the temporary order and carried over into the final order if it is still an issue.

Repeat:  Don't argue with him any more.  It doesn't work and will probably never ever work.  Negative engagement will hurt you but feed him.  Release your frustrations some other way.  Take walks, jog, chop wood, clean house, whatever it takes.

And a question:  Are you still married?  Has anything been filed with domestic/family court?  Document these times you pick up your kids sooner.  When you do file, you want to convince the judge that there is good reason for any orders to specify that the children's visits with their father are optional or to be cut short depending on his behaviors.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2013, 03:31:18 PM »

Thank you Forvever Dad for taking the time to help me.

All of what you say is true. I dont think I am able to get to the acceptance stage very easily. I cant ever believe someone can be bad. So I go on letting them hurt me. I have put up with unacceptable behaviour from him and men before him. No one who knows me would believe it, in my other life I am a smart sociable happy successful career woman. But in this relationship I have very lo w self esteem. I care more about protecting him than i do about saving myself. But i have stuck it out for a year and will carry on. I believe I had to stand up to him to stop him from treating his kids badly.

There is no application to court yet, I am in Italy things are not simple here in the family courts. He has now been to a meeting with the family mediator and has understood and accepted my suggestion that three days a week he collects the kids from school and they stay with him. Also alternate Sat nigh and Sunday (but lets see hownthe weekdays go). This is the second week. Monday, I am at the office at 6pm and he calls me agitated and I hear my daughter crying in the background. He is stressing about homework. I said I am very busy at work and he would need to caom down and calm her down, he put the phone down on me.

So, I will repeat what you said... .

I accept he will not cooperate

I must not try to reason with him

I must not vent my anger

I will not send him emails explaining that I am not happy with his behaviour because he will become abusive or not reply

I will not ring him to tell him I am not happy as he will be abusive or hang up, or worse he will brand the kids as "spies".

I will leave him to manage his three days as best he can and not interfere

If the kids want to come back to me earlier they can, What s important is that they feel free to do that.

Can I vent my frustrations on this forum instead of chopping wood?
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 05:43:14 AM »

I am dealing with similar things.  Husband can't accept that marriage is ending either, and uses the kids to get back at me.  It is a shame we can't have any peace.  It's almost like staying married.

Don't be embarrassed about the on line dating.  You deserve someone who puts you first and cares about you.  And if he found you, then he's on there too.  Maybe going to a local single parents' group would be a better way to meet someone.  Or you can just keep your profile hidden and contact people and not have them contact you.

My husband won't detatch.  Right now it seems like it will take years.  It's almost like not leaving at all.  I blame myself for not seeing the red flags when I dated him, but how long must the torture go on?
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