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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: November 17, 2013, 05:41:15 PM »

Hi all

So, I had a fight with a BPD ex lover turned friend recently. It was rather scary.

I had called to apologise over a previous little argument we had a week earlier. She had also accused me of calling her something I didn't and I wanted to clear that up too. She had not picked up the phone, so I ended up leaving a voice message.

I was not prepared for the vitriol that was to follow.   

She lashed out over text message (in her usual passive aggressive way) saying "I thought we might be friends but you can't keep insulting me every week and then shroud an apology in more nastiness. Your words and tone make me feel terrible. Good bye"

She then started to say we have nothing in common (which was weird considering she said she missed me a week earlier) and I make her sad.  She also accused me of constantly rehashing stuff that I wasn't.  She ended by saying "Ok I'm ___ed. Good bye" and deleted me off Facebook.  It was just awful. Considering I didn't do anything but apologise!


The next day she seemed to have calmed down (but I was really upset). Despite being upset, I decided to tell her that I think we should try to talk in a mature way and resolve to be on friendly terms.

And she told me she was "devastated" she upset me and that it wasn't her intention. I then started to get a bit scared... thinking her moods are out of control.

So I told her that I didn't think we should talk now in case I unintentionally upset her which I don't want to do.  I was really just trying to protect myself from another outburst.

She then said "do you mean you want to leave things be for a while?"  and I said "Yes I think so. It was quite stressful to be on the receiving end of some of your messages. But I care about you and don't want you to be sad".

She then said "I agree. I am destroyed after the past week. I'm not thick skinned to be able to deal with your messages. I am sorry for my part- I really didn't mean to hurt you".  I then extended a "virtual hug" to hear via text and said I hope she has a nice day. I was trying to be nice... despite the craziness.

She said "Thanks for my hug. I really didn't mean to react... I know you didn't mean to attack me, you just have a knack for finding my insecurities! have a lovely day"

My immediate thought was 'attack' her?   I never attacked her. I calmly called to apologise and she lashed out. I also thought the use of the word "destroyed" was full on!

I slept on it and replied the next day saying:   "Ok... I know you have insecurities. But I had no idea what can trigger them. So that was a bit scary for me. If we can be friends one day, it might help if I know what can upset you. I'm pretty understanding Smiling (click to insert in post)"

And no reply.

So now... I am not sure what to do in regards to how much space to give her.

I personally feel she must have been on edge the night I called her... perhaps emotionally deregulating. I am a little scared of contacting her again in a week... because she might lash out again. 

And what about the whole deleting off Facebook thing? Do you think I should wait for her to re-add me?  It's all so dramatic.

But I do care about her and miss her. Any advice?

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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2013, 10:52:33 PM »

Carry on with your life and let her contact you when she is ready.

When she does contact you what are you going to do and say?

What boundaries are you going to set?
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2013, 11:03:47 PM »

Hi clearmind

Well she did reply yesterday and said:  "Truth is, I don't know what it is you say/do I just don't feel myself around you and you make me act quite defensively.  I'm not a fighter so it's sad and strange when I become one. I must need to learn some valuable "life skill" and we'll revisit it then! until then: peace x"




the strange thing about this is... I hardly see her and don't talk to her daily. So it's hard to understand why she doesn't feel herself around me. I didn't say anything to make her angry... she just went off at me over a perceived misunderstanding or perceived put down, by the sounds of it.

And it's true... she isn't a fighter in person. She's very sweet and shy.  But she can be very passive aggressive and tends to like texting and facebook chat and that's where she lashes out.

I'm thinking of not responding for a few days and just saying "I'm not sure what to say really, especially over text message... .but I saw this today (insert something she is into) and thought of you. Hope you have a good weekend"

... .something light like that. I really don't want to get into heavy texting.  I might start to become her therapist 
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2013, 11:13:42 PM »

you are using rationale to explain her distorted reality. Try and think like she does.

her message translates to "I don't know who I am when I am close to someone. I loose my sense of self and don't how to be, to act, to feel. I get internally confused and I blame those around me for how I feel. Once I blame someone, I push them away and then I can think for myself again. I feel relief".

Don't respond at all. You have been down this road Zara - it creates a circular argument. You cannot reason when she is like this. Step back and allow her to self soothe herself. If you interject you put yourself into the role of the persecutor for her emotional letting even more.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2013, 11:52:32 PM »

Ok thanks for your advice Clearmind. I think I will step back...

this all started because I asked her why she avoided and flaked and me before I went overseas on holidays. 

We had a fight 2 months ago and she told me she isn't ready for anything serious but still liked hanging out with me. But she then suddenly stopped writing to me (I was getting daily texts from her wanting to see me etc) and she didn't want to see me at all.

She made weird excuses like "Oh it's really stressful at work. I could do Sunday... but probably not! I have dinner plans after I have to finish my work. Sorry, bad timing".

I was about to go on a 3.5 week holiday. And I remember she had been quite strange about me going... she kept saying "I'll just have to find another hot woman! ". And seemed sad.

And it felt like she thought I was actually leaving her- rather than just going on a holiday. And on reflection, feels like I was punished for leaving her on a holiday! 

Anyway, I was quite hurt she didn't make any time to see me before I left.  Yet we did engage in friendly banter while I was overseas (on Facebook).

When I returned, she wished me happy birthday and also told me she misses me!  It was weird and surprising for me to hear it. And I was still hurt she had avoided me weeks earlier.

So I asked her why she had avoided me and now misses me... and she then went off like never before!  She started to accuse me of calling her a name I never did and then said "it's perfectly normal to miss someone when you haven't seen them for so long! I have missed you and I wanted to float the idea I missed you to see if you feel the same. But you jump to conclusions and say things that cut!"

I was astounded. All I asked is why she now misses me when she had avoided me for weeks.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2013, 03:44:38 PM »

Hi again clearmind

Interesting translation... I think you are right.  I do wonder if she does this to all her friends though...

She seems to have a lot of friends but did tell me she had an on and off again relationship with her ex. She told me they would always break up and get back together.

I suppose I find it hard to see how I affect her so much given we only had a 2 month affair.

Is it so, that any intimate affair with someone can still trigger them?

So it doesn't matter about the length of the friendship or relationship... it's more the intensity?

As she only recently told me she misses me.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2013, 04:20:38 PM »

I suppose I find it hard to see how I affect her so much given we only had a 2 month affair.

It is probably a measure of the reaction she can get out of you. Reactive behavior fuels inconsistency.

Having being "intimate" creates a greater entitlement for her to expect you to meet her needs, and anger when you don't. Few pwBPD can maintain a balanced friendships with exes. You will be painted as both rescuer and persecutor as the need arises
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2013, 04:53:54 PM »

hmmmmmmmmm ok...

so with her recent text to me she was kind of venting about how she doesn't feel herself around me and doesn't seem to know why she acts defensively.

She then ended by saying "I must need to learn some "life skill" and we'll revisit this! until then: peace x"

She has been 'nice' since she realised she upset me.  Very apologetic.

I have given it 2 days and not replied to her.  But instead of indulging her I thought I could just say "Hey. I'm not sure what to say especially over text it is a bit hard. But I went to see my friend in the theatre last night and thought of you. Hope you have a good week"

Do you think that is non threatening and shows I still care?
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2013, 06:01:38 PM »

you are using rationale to explain her distorted reality. Try and think like she does.

her message translates to "I don't know who I am when I am close to someone. I loose my sense of self and don't how to be, to act, to feel. I get internally confused and I blame those around me for how I feel. Once I blame someone, I push them away and then I can think for myself again. I feel relief".

Don't respond at all. You have been down this road Zara - it creates a circular argument. You cannot reason when she is like this. Step back and allow her to self soothe herself. If you interject you put yourself into the role of the persecutor for her emotional letting even more.

And to add to your assessment, her reactions scream of passive aggressiveness.  They sound exactly like my wife, word for word.
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2013, 06:12:14 PM »

hmmmmmmmmm ok...

so with her recent text to me she was kind of venting about how she doesn't feel herself around me and doesn't seem to know why she acts defensively.

She then ended by saying "I must need to learn some "life skill" and we'll revisit this! until then: peace x"

She has been 'nice' since she realised she upset me.  Very apologetic.

I have given it 2 days and not replied to her.  But instead of indulging her I thought I could just say "Hey. I'm not sure what to say especially over text it is a bit hard. But I went to see my friend in the theatre last night and thought of you. Hope you have a good week"

Do you think that is non threatening and shows I still care?

Drop the bit in red, you are just continuing the drama and inviting a rebuff or misinterpretation (she might take that as an accusation that she has done something wrong). The rest just lets her know you haven't forgotten or abandoned her with no expectation of a response
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2013, 07:07:06 PM »

Yes puzzledmate... she is passive aggressive.

She hates confrontation and has always preferred to communicate via text.

I doubt she would have lashed out on like that in person. She is quite gentle and shy.

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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2013, 07:08:28 PM »

Thanks wave rider. Yes, I think she expects me to give my "insights". But I'm too scared to even say anything.

I got abused for apologising.
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