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« on: February 01, 2014, 06:41:54 PM »

Hello to all, 

Asking for any ideas, thoughts or comments on how to deal with BP coaching children. 

Actually had BP tell me daughter feels rejected by me, then when I ask daughter later if she feels this way she yes, but can't remember why or when.  There is so much more but it's all the same.  Every time daughter comes for visitation she starts out acting angry and irritated... . starts snapping at me and today said I was annoying her.   After about 30 minutes of talking her down and setting limits, she returns to her normal self for periods but then at various times withdraws again. 

I can see her struggling with deciding what or who to believe.  I am already practicing the validation in simplest terms.   I have ordered books splitting and divorce poison recommended by others but still looking for any insight. 

Please help. 
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2014, 04:48:35 PM »

Hello to all,  

Asking for any ideas, thoughts or comments on how to deal with BP coaching children.  

Actually had BP tell me daughter feels rejected by me, then when I ask daughter later if she feels this way she yes, but can't remember why or when.  There is so much more but it's all the same.  Every time daughter comes for visitation she starts out acting angry and irritated... . starts snapping at me and today said I was annoying her.   After about 30 minutes of talking her down and setting limits, she returns to her normal self for periods but then at various times withdraws again.  

I can see her struggling with deciding what or who to believe.  I am already practicing the validation in simplest terms.   I have ordered books splitting and divorce poison recommended by others but still looking for any insight.  

Please help.  

Some of the transition stuff is not unusual when kids are adjusting to divorce. However, it can be exaggerated when a BPD parent is attempting to alienate a child.

A while back, I learned that S12 just needed to go straight to his room for a bit after coming back from his dad's. He might yell hello, and then poof, he was gone. At first, I chased after him, and then I realized he needed to process the transition and I didn't actually want to be caught in the cross-fire  Smiling (click to insert in post). Eventually, he would come out and be fine. But chasing after him sometimes made things more tense so I stopped.

I also found that asking questions that pointed out his behavior helped me get centered. For example, if he was acting irritable toward me, I would say, "S12, you seem pensive and jittery. Are you feeling ok?" He might answer, "There's nothing wrong! Why do you always say that!" And then I would say, "I'm reading your body language and your facial expression, and your voice is very angry sounding. You just swatted the cat and banged the door. These are all signs that someone is upset." Sometimes just reflecting back to him what it was like to be around him helped him cool his jets.

S12 learned some tricks from his dad that are kinda like circular arguments, but in a tween type of way. I would feel like I couldn't "win" no matter what I said. I know the teen years things get more like this, but S12 has been doing this for a while, and he trained with a master.

So I started to repeat what was happening, and referencing what my choices were, then putting it back on him as a question. For example, "You told me that your foot hurt. I hate when I stub my toe, that must really hurt. I asked if you were ok, and you said I didn't care. When I care about someone, I ask them how they are doing because I want to know if they are ok. It sounds like you would like me to express my concern in a different way. How should I show you I care?"

That also got me looking at the 5 Love Languages questionnaire for kids, which you can look at here: www.5lovelanguages.com/

You'll get better at learning what your daughter needs during transitions. In general, the longer she spends with her mom, the longer the transition will take, at least that's what I found.

When I put myself in S12's shoes, I realized that it would take me a while to adjust if I had to move every other weekend and adapt to the local customs  Smiling (click to insert in post)

Some of the challenges are regular human challenges, and some are based on BPD-specific challenges.


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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2014, 05:15:23 PM »

survived,

I think that the brainwashing is just the worst.  It leads to parental alienation and it needs to be taken so seriously.  I talked to a child psychologist last week about this.  She told me that the most dangerous time for a child to have alienation issues is during the first three weeks after the split.  If a pre-teen or teen decides during that time that one parent is solely to blame for the issues that have ruined their family it is difficult to erase and undo.  Which is terrifying when dealing with a BPD that has our children in their custody.

She said that it is vital that you never ever at any cost say a thing to your child bad about the other parent.  If they get too confused they have to choose in their minds to feel safe.  the kids process information completely different from adults and they have only needs of ones self to survive.  if it becomes uncomfortable when you see your child they may just cut you our of their lives in order to function.  Then the lady said that this is for the good of the child until they are much older and can find a way back.

Try and have some help with your 12 year old from a very good person who deals with parental alienation.  She told me that more alienated

parents never get their kids back than actually do.  I keep hope because mine are gone, but it you still have a thread of control take it now.  It is awful that our x's will put the kids in the middle turning them into victims.

try hard to understand your child and make sure the child feels safety and consistency where you are.  I wish you well.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2014, 09:48:58 AM »

Awhile back I read a novel, "Standing in the Rainbow". In it one of the characters, was part a family that was a singing group that was on the road everyday with people all around her all the time with no down time.  Then this character had stayed at another family's house. By herself away from the showbiz and showbiz family.   They couldn't figure out what was wrong with her as she would go to her room , not come out for hours and hours, days etc. it turned out that she was not being nonsocialble or hateful towards anyone, it was that she never had time to be alone. She loved quiet as she never experienced it.

That ties in to when my kids, s15, d13,  coming back from x2tnpdh .  Especially after the three in a  row, four day weekends with him.

D13 is very creative , writing and drawing. I know for a fact that h needs constant attention / no looking away from him/constant interuptions to look at him/  no down time (I couldn't even go to the bathroom to pee without him pounding on door / yelling.)   .So when D13 comes back from h, she and her brother run around, play with the dogs,  but then she goes to her room and shuts the door. She is not shutting me out as I  first thought.  I see her work after and realize that she has a pouring out of her work, the drawings, the continuation of her stories.  She can have that creative alone time when she is with me.

She doesn't realize it consciously. 

My head spun when I was with pwPDh then if I was away from him I needed adjustment time to unwind from my head spinning, slow and come back to stable ground. 

Maybe it is the same for the kiddos.

P/A is still alive but this is one comfort zone they have while with me.
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