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« on: February 06, 2016, 08:46:06 AM »

Why is my soon to be ex BPDwife in such denial or oblivious to the reality of her life. I was married to her twice(recycled and painted black each time). Our last marriage lasted 5 weeks ending with her taking my front door key of my fob before I went to work and putting all my things in the garden shed whilst I was at work. Her reason ranged from... .I pulled a funny face at her to I drove to fast changing that to my conduct in our former marriage. Our last marriage ended after she projected all sorts of bizarre behaviours on to me... .things like I was planning to kill her. A year after we split up I asked her about this and she just brushed it aside. She had been married to 2 other men before me,one of those I know quite well and he told me all her type of behaviours had been going on in their marriage before mine.

My ex has disowned all her friends literally overnight,painting them black I'm assuming and none of her friends can account for why they have been dropped. She has a very volatile,or non existent relationship with her own family complaining everything is wrong with them.

Various people have told my wife that they believe she is ill and needs help but she discounts it from them all.

I could go on about my wife's bizarre behaviours but I guess I could write for hours.

What I'm trying to ask here is why won't she get help, deep down I'm sure she knows things aren't right but why is it easier for her carry all the pain within her rather than get help and what triggers a BPD sufferer to finally admit there's a problem and ask for help?
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2016, 12:05:19 PM »

Various people have told my wife that they believe she is ill and needs help but she discounts it from them all.

What I'm trying to ask here is why won't she get help, deep down I'm sure she knows things aren't right but why is it easier for her carry all the pain within her rather than get help and what triggers a BPD sufferer to finally admit there's a problem and ask for help?

think of it as something like learned helplessness or survival. throw in mental illness and you have cognitive distortions. its difficult for anyone to recognize and change their behavior. cognitive distortions dont help. this isnt a mental illness that lends itself easily to "oh, i see that im the problem, i see how my behavior effects others", because that triggers shame and threatens survival, survival mechanisms that have been in place most if not all of her life, practiced, and even perceived as reinforced by the actions (persecuting) of others. they are deeply ingrained in her personality.

people with BPD, like anyone, do have moments of clarity. moments of clarity can be fleeting, and also like anyone else, do not always lead to commitment to change. all of this is a huge hurdle or series of hurdles for a person with BPD. the "when" or "what" causes a person with BPD to seek help really depends on the person. some have greater insight, or a greater desire to change. in the more extreme, some must hit rock bottom. some will never be inclined to seek help because others are the problem, not them.

its hard to watch a loved one live with this illness, let alone to experience her behavior, i understand  .
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2016, 06:13:44 PM »

Various people have told my wife that they believe she is ill and needs help but she discounts it from them all.

Well, if she was told that she "needs help" in a condescending or invalidating way, I am not surprised at all that she didn't take it very well. PwBPD are highly-sensitive people, and she probably saw these suggestions as persecution, rather than sincere, well-meaning advice.

why is it easier for her carry all the pain within her rather than get help?

I can tell you are quite frustrated (and rightfully so!) but I think you are possibly underestimating what the affect of carrying a lifetime of pain can have on someone's ability to even do seemingly-easy things such as admit to personal responsibility and begin therapy. In order to fully answer your question, we will need to consider what her early-life must have been like:

Did she grow up in an environment of emotional abuse, neglect or invalidation? Was she ever punished for getting angry or upset? Maybe she was made to feel wrong for even having feelings in the first place? This can lead to the development of Core Shame, as she may feel like she is flawed, and that there is something uniquely wrong with her. Also, were her emotional needs for intimacy met in childhood? Was she able to trust her primary caregivers to show her the affection she needed, or were they distant, absent or abusive? Has there ever been a situation in her life where she could trust someone with her feelings and it didn't lead directly to more pain?

Now fast-forward through years and years of adult life. She is almost certainly aware of the fact that 99% of the people she's met don't feel emotion anywhere near as deeply as she does. Do you think this makes her feel normal or flawed? Do you think that she would expect anybody to be able to understand her if she were to open up to them?

Considering all this, do you think she feels like she is even able to "get help", or that maybe trusting a therapist with her feelings would just be a painful waste as nobody will be able to understand and help her anyway?

And yes, when you've gone your entire life carrying the pain inside it is much easier to keep doing what you've learned to do your whole life, rather than trying to do something that is so hard for you it seems insurmountable and won't (in your mind) be able to work anyway.

what triggers a BPD sufferer to finally admit there's a problem and ask for help?

There's no easy answer here as most never get that far. My uBPD mom, for instance, is in her 70s and probably a lost cause at this point. Suicides are also common, unfortunately.

My dBPDxgf (who's been in-and-out of therapy since childhood and suicidal since middle school) got her dx in May as she was going through a particularly tough bout of suicidal ideation. Unfortunately, she's since dropped out of therapy again and refused to learn about BPD because she is "scared of learning about" herself. She also has an un-diagnosed dissociative disorder that complicates things immensely.

For me, I was a 20-year-old college drop-out with no career, no friends, no girlfriend, and no hope of getting any of those things. I literally could not believe my own lies anymore, and had to choose between finally accepting personal responsibility, or committing suicide. Even then, I refused to seek a therapist or let on to anyone how disturbed I truly was, and it was many years later before I would eventually become more comfortable in telling people about it.

I think Once Removed is right. PwBPD will need to hit a similar "bottom" in order to accept personal responsibility and find true desire to change. Just going to see a therapist won't do it.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2016, 09:00:01 AM »

Thanks for the responses... .

sorry I haven't worked out how to do the quote bit yet but in response to hashtag yeh your comments made a lot of sense to help me understand...

Yes my wife as a child was brought up in a home where physical and emotional abuse was common. She tried very hard to gain her parents love and acceptance but unfortunately never experiencing it, the only thing she remembers was rejection.

Yes I get your point about the foundation of her life and how that affects her and why trust could make her shy away from getting help. She told me once that if she went to get help she was scared that she wouldn't ever stop crying if she let her walls down.

I am frustrated about her not getting help and feel pretty powerless about it as I'd love to see her find peace and healing in her life whether she came back to me or not in the future. BPD sux and I hate how much pain it causes sufferers
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2016, 07:21:26 PM »

really appreciate the responses, I see and understand what yall are saying.  I guess, for some reason I really feel like a need an official diagnosis.  you know what I mean?   I am a physician, I guess that is where that comes from, my quest to finally find out what is truly wrong with her and give up that fact that I cant fix her.  How do you have peace without an official diagnosis
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2016, 09:22:25 PM »

For me cootkilla I think my wife getting a professional diagnosis would be helpful for both of us. For her, she may get the chance of healing,for me I guess it would be the validation that everything wasn't my fault(I was blamed for everything wrong) in the relationship. To be honest I know that BPD killed our relationship not my wife or me,in a sense we were both victims. 

Official diagnosis or not I guess in time we all accept what happened in the past and let go of it. I'm early on in that area but as time has gone on, the pain and confusion hangover from the broken relationship has lessened. I'm sure it will be the same for you.  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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