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Author Topic: Update: I take some blame + I want him back. Pathetic  (Read 703 times)
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« on: March 26, 2016, 06:27:41 AM »

Follow-up to my very first thread re my exBPD partner. That thread is here:  https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=290298.0

Nutshell:  Short and intense LDR relationship of <6 mos., where, aside from all of our other frequent arguments over insecurities/jealousies, triangulations, controlling and manipulative behavior, he became physically violent after snooping into my unlocked phone and discovering I had lunch with a past admirerer of mine (nothing ever happened between us).   Late January, after reflecting on all of my ex's BPD behaviours, I decided to break it off because I couldn't see this unhealthy relationship working long-term. At the time, I thought breaking up was a wise thing to do, that is, until I started missing him SEVERELY.

Update: Four weeks later, I couldn't take our NC anymore.  I reached out to him via email.  He responded, we reconnected by phone pleasantly (pretty much as if nothing had happened) and summarized our lives during our 4-week "break."  We both started with the "i miss you's soo much" and decided to start a "clean slate" and then agreed to communicate and "treat each other better" (his words) this time around.  It felt like bliss all over again.  He invited me to London to have a front-row seat at a professional presentation he was preparing for.  I accepted, bought a plane ticket to arrive in London five days later.  We were back to being in a second idealization phase and it felt MAGICAL.

However, that only lasted 48 hrs:  He told me that a mutual "friend" of ours whom he'd long triangulated me with, had allegedly been "sexting" my ex daily during the breakup, was "coming on strong" to him, sending sexy gym and underwear photos.  Enraged, I then contacted our mutual friend to remind him that R and I are back on good terms, and that I wouldn't tolerate such sneaky behavior from a so-called "friend."   To my utter surprise, the mutual friend matter-of-factly claimed it was never he who would constantly contact my ex, but vice versa.  i.e., MY EX HAD BEEN INITIATING SEXUAL COMMUNICATION WITH THE FRIEND, NOT ONLY DURING OUR "BREAK" BUT AT SEVERAL TIMES PRIOR, INCLUDING DURING OUR CALM, DRAMA-FREE PHASES. He'd apparently been calling him all kinds of affectionate names like "baby" and "boo bear" and saying things like "What if there was no more GoldenRoole in my life?".  The friend even provided screen shots and audio proof verifying that all of this was true.

I confronted my exBPD about it, made him aware of my conversation with the mutual friend and all the proof I'd been provided with. Not surprisingly, he obfuscated, denied it all, continued to lie about it, etc., etc.  I reminded him how this broke my trust and confirmed many suspicions I had about him for weeks.  He then sends a violently threatening text to the mutual friend telling him he "messed up something good" between him and me and that he's a malicious liar hellbent on breaking us up (taking NO resposnibility whatsoever).

I cancelled the trip to London.  My exBPD claimed how hurt he was over my accusations and how 1) he was just drunk at the time, 2) he was "lonely", 3) he was just "setting up" our friend to prove how bad of a person he is, and 4) the friend was just soo persuasive. Ugh.  We concluded with me telling him to F*** off.  He blocked me from Facebook and Whatsapp.

This was 2 1/2 weeks ago. 

Since then, he mysteriously unblocked me from Facebook (though we're no longer Facebook "friends". I sent him an email apologizing ONLY for my calling him nasty expletives during the dispute. Days later, he responded accepting my apologizies, but also acknowledging that he "knows his truth" and "knows who he is" and that he prays I'm well.

Folks, despite everything, despite knowing how capable of deceit and lying (and his past violence), I want soo bad for him to try to charm me back.  I WANT HIM BACK, warts and all.  I'm struggling with the fact that I failed to communicate at certain times and that I quite possibly abandoned him and the relationship too soon.  Several months ago, he always complained that I "give up too easy" and that always worried him. He always assured me that he'd never give up on us.  Never, ever, never, he would say.  But now I had.  My anger over the above caused me to hurt him with no benefit of real communication.  I felt trust was lost and just raged and left.  Again.

Although he has a large part of responsiblity he isn't owning up to, I feel incredibly bad about this.  I still love R.  And, truthfully, I think we could've worked things out and had been in a better place.  I feel I did so much wrong and have made mistake after mistake after mistake in light of his BPD (in which I've learned loads about since falling in love with him).

Yes, I want him to reel me back in.  And I know I'm going to accept. 

Pathetic, and I'm losing my mind.
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 08:29:16 AM »

GR, I've read your previous thread after the 1st breakup.

Late January, after reflecting on all of my ex's BPD behaviours, I decided to break it off because I couldn't see this unhealthy relationship working long-term. At the time, I thought breaking up was a wise thing to do, that is, until I started missing him SEVERLY.

You thought it was wise to break up is your head speaking. Missing him is your heart. The fact your heart missed him doesn't mean your head was wrong.

You thought it was wise to break up is your healthy side ("what do I want for me" speaking. Missing him is the junkie coming off heroin.

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We [edit] decided to start a "clean slate" and then agreed to communicate and "treat each other better" (his words) this time around. 

"We decided". Not just you on your own but both of you...

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I confronted my exBPD about it, made him aware of my conversation with the mutual friend and all the proof I'd been provided with. Not surprisingly, he obfuscated, denied it all, continued to lie about it, etc., etc.  I reminded him how this broke my trust and confirmed many suspicions I had about him for weeks.  He then sends a violently threatening text to the mutual friend telling him he "messed up something good" between him and me and that he's a malicious liar hellbent on breaking us up (taking NO resposnibility whatsoever).

Not to mention he betrayed the friendship with this guy accusing him of sexting in the first place.

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My exBPD claimed how hurt he was over my accusations and how 1) he was just drunk at the time, 2) he was "lonely", 3) he was just "setting up" our friend to prove how bad of a person he is, and 4) the friend was just soo persuasive. Ugh.  We concluded with me telling him to F*** off.  He blocked me from Facebook and Whatsapp.

Your reasons for walking out were back up by proof. They were facts not accusations. So your ex was not hurt by your 'accusations' but by being confronted with what he did wrong. PwBPD don't want to confronted with things they have done wrong, it's a trigger for their primal fear.

Apart from that his excuses are just that: excuses.

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Since then, he mysteriously unblocked me from Facebook (though we're no longer Facebook "friends". I sent him an email apologizing ONLY for my calling him nasty expletives during the dispute. Days later, he responded accepting my apologizies, but also acknowledging that he "knows his truth" and "knows who he is" and that he prays I'm well.

BPDs have a different way of processing words. Your apology for calling him nasty names has not been read like that. He most probably has read something like "I'm sorry for accusing you, you are so right, you never did anything wrong, you can trample on my soul to your heart's content, please take me back".

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Folks, despite everything, despite knowing how capable of deceit and lying (and his past violence), I want soo bad for him to try to charm me back.  I WANT HIM BACK, warts and all.

He has lied, still does, and will never stop doing so.

He has cheated, might well be with a replacement now, and will never stop cheating.

He has blamed you and others, still does, and will never stop blaming you and avoiding responsibility.

He has manipulated you, is manipulating you right now, and will never stop manipulating you.

He has betrayed you and will never stop doing that.

He has betrayed his friend and will always betray what ever friend for his own needs.

HE HAS HIT YOU. He will hit you in future. Most times domestic abuse becomes worse over time.

None of these points is a wart. Each one is a tumour the size of his head.

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I'm struggling with the fact that I failed to communicate at certain times

Do you struggle with the fact that HE has failed to communicate and when he did, he lied to you?

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and that I quite possibly abandoned him and the relationship too soon.

Seriously? When would have been the appropriate time to leave? When he has beat you into a pulp?

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Several months ago, he always complained that I "give up too easy" and that always worried him.

Why have you taken this remark on board? Why does this get to you? Is it what you secretly think about yourself? He sure knows how to push your buttons... .

And what about what worried you?

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He always assured me that he'd never give up on us.  Never, ever, never, he would say.

So 'never giving up on us' means "I will never let you go. I will cheat on us, lie about us and to us, betray us by beating you, I will create the most toxic relationship I can, but I will never let you go". Never giving up is not a healthy thing to say, but if it is said at all it should be about fighting to make the relationship a healthy one.

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My anger over the above caused me to hurt him with no benefit of real communication.

Anger is an appropriate respons to cheating. Why do you keep looking at just you having the responsibility for communication? Where was his communication? Other than the lying, the manipulation and the verbal abuse? A relationship is about 2 people, not 1.

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I felt trust was lost and just raged and left. 

You bet trust was lost! Trust was lost when he cheated, lied, triangulated, hit you, etc. THE TRUST WAS LONG GONE ALREADY...

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I still love R.  And, truthfully, I think we could've worked things out and had been in a better place.

Work out which things? Him lying, cheating, hitting? Those are not things to be worked out. Trying to spend more time together with your SO when you're busy and your SO feels neglected, that is something that can be worked out. Communicating better if both are adults with an emotional landscape to match is something to be worked out. Lying, cheating, hitting are  Red flag/bad  (click to insert in post)   and they will not go away. Or are you saying by 'working things out' you are willing to accept that behaviour from him for the rest of your life? Are you making yourself that small?

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I feel I did so much wrong and have made mistake after mistake after mistake in light of his BPD (in which I've learned loads about since falling in love with him).

Guess what? People make mistakes. All of us here have made mistakes. I know I have not always responded in the best way to my ex now I realize be probably has BPD/NPD. But I also know it wouldn't have mattered. Because if I hadn't made the mistakes I did I would have made different ones. Another look or word would have triggered him. My biggest mistake was entering the relationship in the first place.

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Yes, I want him to reel me back in.  And I know I'm going to accept.

So that is how you see your life? That is how much you think you are worth? Being with a guy that will always cheat on you, lie to you, triangulate you, create drama and will beat you? Knowing it will get progressively worse? Do you want to end up in hospital? Do you want to feel and be unsafe forever? Run the risk of an std? Do you want to be isolated from your friends and family? End up all alone with an abuser and a tyrant? Do you honestly think that the occasional high after another cycle of idealization-devaluation is enough 'happiness' to weigh up to ALL of the unhappiness this guy and this relationship will bring you?

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Pathetic, and I'm losing my mind.

You're not losing your mind, you're addicted. You want your fix and you don't want to think about the consequences. Even if you end up dead because of it.

GET HELP.

You need to get away from wanting your fix. You need to get away from him. You need to learn why you think so little of yourself that you are willing to accept all this cr*p.

GET HELP
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 10:22:16 AM »

Nutshell:  Short and intense LDR relationship of <6 mos., where, aside from all of our other frequent arguments over insecurities/jealousies, triangulations, controlling and manipulative behavior, he became physically violent after snooping into my unlocked phone and discovering I had lunch with a past admirerer of mine (nothing ever happened between us).  

I stopped reading here. Read this over as many times as you need to. STOP thinking there is any future with a person who physically harms you.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 04:23:18 PM »

I feel your addiction... It can be very powerful overriding any rational sense your brain may have. My guy's rages kept escalating, up to the point of physical aggression. That's where I draw the line, the next step is physical abuse like you suffered.

We all have different tolerance levels, too much for many of us codependents.

So 2 weeks have passed and the sting of the last rage has diminished a bit and I am also fantasizing being reeled in again too.

Brain says no way but weakness has kept a communication open and me slightly obsessing.

I wrote a list of terrible and cruel behaviors that he did. I refer to them throughout my weak moments. I fight to do NC but cannot help but respond to the current friendly chats he initiates. Be strong and protect yourself...

hugs!
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2016, 04:45:58 PM »

Great post wounded!

Your compassion to help others is simply amazing and I applaud your wisdom and insight!

Hope you have a wonderful easter and thanks again for supporting us all so gracefully Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 03:09:21 AM »

All of these replies are spot on, WoundedBibi, Steelwork, Fox007 and JerryRG.

And thank you immensely WoundedBibi for putting things in perspective that actually terrifies me enough to not want to continue with this guy.  I feel like I'm dodging a potentially lethal future situation. 

I just hope I don't backslide and fall into my previous thinking. For now, I'm going to keep referring to your very powerfully cogent reminders.

There truly HAS to be better out there for me.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 07:37:14 AM »

If you feel you're about to backslide, come here and write about it. I might be online to kick your butt      Smiling (click to insert in post)  Kidding, there is always someone here to support you. Whether through tough love or in another way.

Or put a small reminder in your house where you can see it (but not your visitors, none of their business) like the inside of a closet door. A post-it saying "HE HAS HIT ME" or a picture of someone with a beat up face. Whatever works for you to stay the h*ll away from him. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2016, 11:24:04 AM »

You are worth more than what you get from this relationship. Therapy is helping me realize that I decide my self-worth, it is not defined by another.
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2016, 01:39:23 PM »

Great post wounded!

Your compassion to help others is simply amazing and I applaud your wisdom and insight!

Hope you have a wonderful easter and thanks again for supporting us all so gracefully Smiling (click to insert in post)

Thank you Jerry  Smiling (click to insert in post)

I had a good day  Being cool (click to insert in post)  A colleague came round to cook me dinner which was really good; real fresh food instead of microwave cr*p  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

Not sure graceful would be the word I would choose  Smiling (click to insert in post)  but thank you.
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