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« on: April 02, 2016, 02:54:06 AM »

  Red flag/bad  (click to insert in post) I need some experienced people to review my letter to my ex h uBPD.  Last contact to get my piano was yesterday.  I left a voicemail requesting NC and sent a text... .not sure he is getting them or if this is a game.  He calls... .tearful... .why did you leave me?  Called my brother too.  UGH!  I want it to STOP.  



I wrote the following letter that I will send certified receipt requested on Monday.  Please review, edit, comment, share your experience.  What needs to change?  Too much explaining?  Help me do this right.  I intend to be done when I get the receipt back.  

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April 3, 2016

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Dear ex,

I got your venomous message about the piano wheel.  I do not need it.  I will be replacing them.  I left you a message stating that I do not wish to be in contact with you anymore.  It seems that you are ignoring that.  

I also texted you a very clear message stating the same thing.  Again, you seem to be ignoring the boundary.  

Both messages said I am done.  I wish you all the best.  

I am sending this letter with a return receipt requested as my final very clear boundary.  Even this interchange is too much drama.  Please note:

I am done.  

We are not a couple anymore.

We will not be in the future.  

It is time to move on.  

"

There will always be love.  Love is eternal.  I can not - Will NOT - be with you.  It is too painful.  It robs me of my joy for life and I am not willing to sacrifice myself for our marriage any longer.  

This is my CLEAR response to your tearful message.  You asked "why  did you leave me, you said you wouldn't leave me if I didn't go back to dope":

I also said I would not tolerate abuse.  you were abusive.  You were not physically abusive.  You were emotionally manipulative and abusive.   I don’t think you meant to be that way but that was my experience and I am not willing to tolerate that.    

It is very sad that you had a painful life.  Childhood abuse is a tragic thing.  However you are a 58 year old man.  That means you have had 37 years from the time you became an adult to choose to deal with it in a good way.  Instead, it appears you have claimed it as your "self".  it has gotten worse over the course of our marriage. You seem to think that your history gives you permission to be angry and hostile and passive-aggressive.  You can be whatever you want to be.  

I am not willing to give up my life’s joy because you are stuck in your victimhood.   Live there if you wish.

I realized that day in February when I accepted that our marriage was dead, that there really was so much abuse.  I can imagine your outraged denial as you read this.  That is a perfect example of what I am talking about.  Abuse is not always physical.    In this case, your actions stole my joy from me.  That is abuse.  That is control.  That is a power grab.  

That mid February day,  I discovered that I needed to set myself free of it.   Not without great fear, I accepted that I would claim my freedom.  

Throughout our marriage, any confrontation or request for a change has been met with incredible guilt bombs.  “You don’t love me”.  “I am sorry that I embarrass you”.  “You never loved me”.  "You only married me to save your job".

And, I played my role too.  I appeased, I explained.  I begged.  I sucked up my disgust. But it grew.  My role silenced my truth.  I played it really well, don't you think?  

I learned recently that appeasing is not the same as love.  Frankly, I was afraid you would attempt suicide.  I was appeasing... .over and over again.  I realize now that that if you choose suicide or you choose dope, that is your choice.  Only one person can commit suicide.  I hope you will choose to do the work to heal your history and have the life you deserve to have.  I'm so glad you   have 18 sessions of EMDR set up.  My experience is that EMDR helped so much. It was painful but it was transformative.  

That evening in February,  when everything came crashing down,  was a revelation.  From what you have said in the past 6 weeks, It seems to me that you may not be remembering all of what happened that night.  The way you seem to remember it is you told me you had diabetes and heart disease and I told you I was leaving.  Wow, that WOULD BE cruel!  Poor pitiful you  

Here is how it happened in my world:  

You told me about your clinic visit.  I empathized and listened.  I felt the dreaded sink of fear that said "I can't say what I need to say".  I acknowledged that r diagnoses were scary.   It is not a disaster.  It is not the end of the world.  You are going to be okay.  

Then I told you I had a problem I needed to talk to you about.   I told you I had a call at work, someone was concerned that some guy at the VA was claiming to be my husband.  I told you the caller reported that you looked like you had just come out of the woods, were homeless,  you were a stalker.  That call filled me with shame.  I thought “Really?  Is this my reality?  This is what I have done.  Will I always have to feel this fear and anxiety about my husband’s behavior and actions?”  It is really screwed up.  That feeling of shame is as fuglee as it gets.  As it turned out, this event is what helped me correct my course.  

In our usual relationship dynamic, I would have stifled this issue away.  Although things matter a great deal to me, I have learned that speaking about difficult things is something that will create a great deal of drama - tears, anger, rage... . In the past, I chose to be silent.  An honest relationship requires two courageous people.  I was not courageous.  

It was my experience that any talk of asking you to be anything but your pot-smoking, farting, burping, loogie flinging ___-bombing self always led to these dramas where you are the pitiful, hurt man and I, the Villainess.  I was embarrassed to invite you to professional things because you DID look like an ex-meth addict with sunk in cheeks and no class.  I never knew when your foul mouth would start spouting.    

That day, I talked with T. She is older, married 25 years and a wise advisor.   I told her how these confrontations had always played out in the past but I also told her that I was not willing to stifle it.  I just could not do it one more time.  She advised me to speak to you with love.  Although I was terrified of the drama that would predictably  occur, I hoped that we could talk about it.  That you would agree to become the man of dignity that you pretended to be when we first were married.   Or, the man of dignity I thought you could be.

Instead, you reacted the way you have about most things that have an emotional charge.  If you feel rejected, you rage.  So this night, you raged.  You stormed around.  You yelled.  You went outside.  You slammed doors.  You mumbled.  Then, you gave me the silent treatment.  Not a word was said for 14 hours.  When I was in the bathtub the next morning, you asked if I was in there.  I shut the shower curtain and said please come in. You said it is okay and went outside and peed.  Wow – what homeless man behavior!  Just another really obvious awareness.  

So, I went out to the porch to have a smoke.  I said good morning, you said a surly good morning.  I sat there…I truly thought we would talk about it.  Ha!  You said nothing, so I started reading my Course in Miracles book…doing something that is healthy and helps me cope in the world... .helps me see that love always wins.  A few minutes went by and you said “is anything wrong?”  

I gave you the stink eye.  Really?  Is anything wrong?  There was a pause and then the drama returned.  There was yelling.  There was foul language.  There was a pitiful story about your very hard life.  There was insistence that you were NOT going to wear your dentures and that your clothes were just fine and it was ok to be unshaven.  THAT is when I realized that this is who you are.  You do not want to be a man of dignity.  You want to stay the same.  You seem to get some big charge off of being angry.  That is who you are.  It was an amazing thing to witness.  And it was empowering to realize that I do not have to tolerate that.  

After a while when you were in the silent phase, I said “we are making each other miserable” and you said “do you want to leave, do you want me to leave?”.  That moment, I KNEW I could claim my freedom. I said I would leave.  I was terrified but I spoke my truth.  

Finally.  I owned it.   I plowed through the next very predictable tsunami of emotion.  I listened as you raged and cried and stormed.  It made me heartsick AND I knew that I was not going to survive staying in our marriage.  

It was abusive.  I was lost in misery, being pulled down to that low, low place of complete unhappiness.  To be with you meant to join you there.  Accepting our reality meant soul death - very slow, soul death.  I deserved better.  I have claimed that.  

During those first few days as I was trying to deal with my panic about what you would do next, I found a really good website about Borderline Personality Disorder.  These very extreme reactions are symptoms of that.  I sought out help and information and have learned a great deal in the past six weeks.  I hope as you enter into your therapy, that you will find the healing you need so you don’t have to live such a miserable life.  

You are a beautiful soul.  I love you dearly AND I will not be with you ever again.  Please be very clear on that.  

I will not come back to you.  

Our work together is completed.  

I gave it my best shot, I truly did.  We had some sweet times AND we had some terrible, ugly times where my guts ached with fear for what you would do next.  

I’m not going to live that way.  We tried for six years but things were getting worse.  You were angry all the time.  You were cursing or silently punishing me for something that I had to guess about.   And when I would ask, you would deny.  I am not going there again.  I deserve better.  


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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2016, 07:27:27 AM »

I think the letter is great the way it is. I'm assuming that there are no children involved?
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2016, 08:14:52 AM »

hi lingering 

what is the goal of this letter? is it to set a boundary, get him to leave you alone, to say your piece?
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2016, 08:20:29 AM »

I feel that it is good that you've written all this down. However, I wouldn't send it ... so soon after writing it. I would wait a day or two and then see if there is still the motivation to send it.

There is a lot of anger and criticism in your words, perhaps rightfully justified, that could possibly invoke more anger in return. If you wait ... re-read it in a day or two ... you'll very likely not send it and be glad that you didn't.

As much as I don't want to provoke ... you speak of your desire for NC and establishing boundaries ... but it is you that are overstepping that self-imposed boundary.

If all that remains is a legality of separation, then, all correspondence can go through the conduit of a lawyer or solicitor.

Sit quiet for a few days ... I'm pretty certain your feelings about it will change.

The very best,

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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2016, 10:56:44 AM »

I think the letter is great the way it is. I'm assuming that there are no children involved?

Thanks Sweet Tooth,

Right, we have no children together.  There are grandchildren from his two sons but there were no kids in our home.
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2016, 11:08:58 AM »

Thanks Caley!

I appreciate your insight and sage advice.  I agree with what you said... .I AM angry.  I want to correct the distorted view he has or at least have it out there what my view is.  We live in the same county and whatever therapist he sees is most likely to be someone I work with professionally.  I am doing image control, I guess.

We are legally divorced now.  I avoided outright stating my request for NC until I got my piano on Thursday.  So my goal with the letter is to be very clear, and know that he got the message.  Really, this is my first   NC request.  I had to get my stuff out of his house.  

Does that make sense or am I stepping over my own boundary.  This is all just so crazy-making!

Thank you so much Caley.  I really respect your honesty.

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There is a lot of anger and criticism in your words, perhaps rightfully justified, that could possibly invoke more anger in return. If you wait ... re-read it in a day or two ... you'll very likely not send it and be glad that you didn't.

Sit quiet for a few days ... I'm pretty certain your feelings about it will change.

The very best,

Caley.

hi lingering  

what is the goal of this letter? is it to set a boundary, get him to leave you alone, to say your piece?

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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2016, 11:20:17 AM »

I want to correct the distorted view he has or at least have it out there what my view is.  We live in the same county and whatever therapist he sees is most likely to be someone I work with professionally.  I am doing image control, I guess.

correcting the distorted view he has is not realistic or necessary - BPD is a serious mental illness that involves cognitive distortions, and its often referred to as a "persecution complex". this letter will likely reinforce his point of view, and as Caley said, could invoke more anger in return. regardless, chances are this letter will not be heard or perceived as you are expecting. you know your truth, trust it. thats what matters.

i also agree with caley that its a great exercise to put all of this in writing, but i would wait a few days before deciding. in the mean time you might brush up on this article here: https://bpdfamily.com/content/setting-boundaries
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2016, 11:36:31 AM »

I agree with both Caley and OnceRemoved.

Your letter contains anger and criticism. Which makes sense from your point of view and having been hurt. But my guess would be you would loose him reading further or reading further without rage at the point you call his behaviour venomous.

Him changing his view of you, the relationship or himself is not realistic. If writing a letter could cure BPD... .

Maybe you should reconsider your goal to something as 'being heard'. But you have to be ready for anger if not rage on his side as a result. And any consequences that may come from that. You write you feared him and his anger. Besides not wanting to let him know the power he had over me or his ability to frighten me, I would refrain from angering him if he scares you. You're in a new place where you feel safe. Why endanger that or your peace of mind?
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2016, 12:30:34 PM »

You've set your boundary now it is time to enforce it.  By sending this letter you will be engaging in contact with him breaking your own boundary.

Don't send it, don't respond to anything from him (and he will continue to try engage you) there is no need the relationship is over.  Don't engage and don't feed the drama and then he will eventually realize that he won't get what he wants, it's just going to take him a while to figure it out but it will take even longer for him to figure it out if you keep engaging with him.

 

Think of it as a 3 year old that wants candy at the store and mom says "no".  That 3 year old will beg, whine, and eventually even have a tantrum (extinction burst).  If mom caves on her own boundary and gives the 3 year old the candy, what has the 3 year old learned? That if he whines and carries on long enough he will get the candy.  If mom sticks to "no candy" and doesn't give in that 3 year old learns that "no" means "no".

Although, I don't think you should send the letter I'm glad for you that you got it out and put it on paper.  You can now save it there, put it away and move on with your life.

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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2016, 12:40:33 PM »

Thanks for this input.  I can see that sending the letter is really just adding to the drama.  I read the boundary article.  He is broken, there is a therapist somewhere who has agreed to help him.  It is not my job.  This is the most important thing in your post:  " you know your truth, trust it. thats what matters. "

I am going to live that.  This is so painful and scary.  Not knowing.

This morning I logged into his cell phone account (yes, that is ugly and that is crossing a boundary).  I see that he did get my message.  So, I am trusting that I have set the NC boundary and intend not to cross it. 

No letter.  I really need help and support for a while with this. 

Thank you for your honesty and guidance. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2016, 12:45:10 PM »

I agree with both Caley and OnceRemoved.

Your letter contains anger and criticism. Which makes sense from your point of view and having been hurt. But my guess would be you would loose him reading further or reading further without rage at the point you call his behaviour venomous.

Him changing his view of you, the relationship or himself is not realistic. If writing a letter could cure BPD... .

Maybe you should reconsider your goal to something as 'being heard'. But you have to be ready for anger if not rage on his side as a result. And any consequences that may come from that. You write you feared him and his anger. Besides not wanting to let him know the power he had over me or his ability to frighten me, I would refrain from angering him if he scares you. You're in a new place where you feel safe. Why endanger that or your peace of mind?

Yes, Woundedbibi, thank you.  You are right.  My letter would fail at word 3.  It sure did help writing it though. 

Thanks everyone here.  it matters so much to have people who get this clusterf*(k.  Your input and replies really help.  I am seeing a T starting next Friday. 

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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2016, 01:02:56 PM »

Okay - How about this revised letter? My goal is 1) have sure knowledge that he got the NC message, 2) clarify two pieces of unfinished business and 3) to have this 'incident' in my life completed (other than my own recovery work, of course). 

To:  Name

From: Name

Re:  No Contact

I have twice requested that you not contact me any further.  I am sending this letter certified with a receipt request so I know that you got the message.

You asked why I left.  I left because I am not willing to tolerate abuse.

My requests:

1) Please mail a payment of $255 to my dad for the missing truck payment:

Name Address


2) Please pay ___ for the forgiven portion of the trailer payments ($700). NAME ADDRESS

3) If you are not able to do this, please sign over titles/ownership of these vehicles to me and I will make the payments.  You may mail me a letter at the PO Box above if this is the case.

With the exception of these issues, I request no contact.   

I wish you all the best. 




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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2016, 01:12:44 PM »

You've set your boundary now it is time to enforce it.  By sending this letter you will be engaging in contact with him breaking your own boundary.

Don't send it, don't respond to anything from him (and he will continue to try engage you) there is no need the relationship is over.  Don't engage and don't feed the drama... .

Thanks Panda39.  Love the 3 year old bit... .I needed that awareness.  WOW, this is stunning in an adult! 

I just keep getting tripped up on why he called and asked why I left him?  I don't know if my vm message went through bc my phone was doing funky things... .asking for my appleid.  Then I couldn't hang up.  And I don't know if he got the text.  His phone plan is unlimited talk and text (wifi only).  Does that mean that he gets texts only if he is hooked into wifi?  UG!  This is MESSING with me!

Send revised letter?  Need to resolve the truck/trailer issue... .or maybe just  pay it myself $955 is a small price for sanity and not continuing to hear from him.  Help!  I am hurting a lot today.  Finally the tears are coming.  That is good.
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2016, 01:20:53 PM »

Okay - How about this revised letter? My goal is 1) have sure knowledge that he got the NC message, 2) clarify two pieces of unfinished business and 3) to have this 'incident' in my life completed (other than my own recovery work, of course). 

It is very matter of fact so not feeding him with emotional supply. And you try to take care of unfinished financial business. Assuming you don't have a lawyer to do this for you you'll either have to do it yourself or cut your losses and run.

BUT

You cannot have sure knowledge he will get the NC message. His emotions pull a 180 on him every 5 minutes. He might get it, and forget it again within minutes. You have NO control over what he thinks or feels. He doesn't have any control himself...

That's also why 'having it completed' can only come from you. Don't make your closure depend on him. He will never give it to you.

Also giving him one finger (wrapping up the financial business) can mean he will try to take your whole hand by dragging out the wrapping up. "Yes I will." "Oh not now, no money" "no, I don't want to sign them over, I want to keep them, you'll have to wait until I have money" "can I come over to sign them over?" etc etc[/quote]
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2016, 01:39:12 PM »

hi lingering,

im sorry to hear youre hurting, but let the tears flow as they will, it is a healthy expression; and please know we are here to help you through this  

im not sure if you can have certain knowledge, and im not a technical expert, but seems to me the receipt should suffice. youre setting very realistic expectations for yourself when you consider that regardless, he may not comply , and you may have to bite the bullet for your peace of mind. i tried finishing up business for a couple of months and not only did it go nowhere, it kept me attached.

id limit your focus on this note. itd look something like this:

To:  Name

From: Name

Re:  No Contact (a new subject)

I have twice requested that you not contact me any further.  I am sending this letter certified with a receipt request so I know that you got the message.

You asked why I left.  I left because I am not willing to tolerate abuse.
(this is a separate issue)

My requests:

1) Please mail a payment of $255 to my dad for the missing truck payment:

Name Address


2) Please pay ___ for the forgiven portion of the trailer payments ($700). NAME ADDRESS

3) If you are not able to do this, please sign over titles/ownership of these vehicles to me and I will make the payments.  You may mail me a letter at the PO Box above if this is the case.



With the exception of these issues, I request no contact.    


I wish you all the best.  

throw in a short one sentence intro. treat this as "just business". it probably seems very unnatural, but youll be saving yourself a lot of trouble.

you may want to check out these communication techniques, i use them every single day:

B.I.F.F. Technique for Email Communications  

follow that up with: Don't "JADE" (justify, argue, defend, explain) OK. What does this really mean?  

and do click the link Kwamina used in his reply Smiling (click to insert in post)

hang in there lingering  

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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2016, 01:54:01 PM »

You've set your boundary now it is time to enforce it.  By sending this letter you will be engaging in contact with him breaking your own boundary.

Don't send it, don't respond to anything from him (and he will continue to try engage you) there is no need the relationship is over.  Don't engage and don't feed the drama and then he will eventually realize that he won't get what he wants, it's just going to take him a while to figure it out but it will take even longer for him to figure it out if you keep engaging with him.

 

Think of it as a 3 year old that wants candy at the store and mom says "no".  That 3 year old will beg, whine, and eventually even have a tantrum (extinction burst).  If mom caves on her own boundary and gives the 3 year old the candy, what has the 3 year old learned? That if he whines and carries on long enough he will get the candy.  If mom sticks to "no candy" and doesn't give in that 3 year old learns that "no" means "no".

Although, I don't think you should send the letter I'm glad for you that you got it out and put it on paper.  You can now save it there, put it away and move on with your life.

Panda39

My gut screamed, "Noo" when I read your post lingering.

You have gotten great input and support. This message board is truly a light for all of us.
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2016, 03:13:57 PM »

Okay - How about this revised letter? My goal is 1) have sure knowledge that he got the NC message, 2) clarify two pieces of unfinished business and 3) to have this 'incident' in my life completed (other than my own recovery work, of course). 

To:  Name

From: Name

Re:  No Contact

I have twice requested that you not contact me any further.  I am sending this letter certified with a receipt request so I know that you got the message.

You asked why I left.  I left because I am not willing to tolerate abuse.

My requests:

1) Please mail a payment of $255 to my dad for the missing truck payment:

Name Address


2) Please pay ___ for the forgiven portion of the trailer payments ($700). NAME ADDRESS

3) If you are not able to do this, please sign over titles/ownership of these vehicles to me and I will make the payments.  You may mail me a letter at the PO Box above if this is the case.

With the exception of these issues, I request no contact.   

I wish you all the best. 

I believe it would be better for you, in the long run, to cut your losses and let go of 'having the last word'. You know the truth. Try, if you can, to put yourself in the position of a 'Judge'. What would a Judge take from it all? Are you disengaging from a person who is unreasonable, and not adding to the escalation of 'unreasonableness', or someone who is contributing to it?

It's really tough, when one has been 'hoodwinked', to just accept that you've been hoodwinked, to walk away without comment. Silence, really is, the best medicine. If you've decided NC is the best choice ... then adopt it NOW ... TODAY ... not after you've had one last say about things.

You might feel it is stifling your feelings about things ... but get real about it. When did your feelings matter to him enough to meet you half way?

Let go ... and if you can't let go ... just loosen your grip and be quiet to ideas about being heard. He isn't listening to you ... and you're not listening to your better nature either.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2016, 04:20:27 PM »

Message received re: him 'getting' the message.  I'll rephrase... .I will know that it was delivered.  His response is not in my control. 

Good words re: the vehicles.  No lawyer... .we did it ourselves.  I see what you mean about how he can use that situation to drag it on.  I think my boundary will be to give him two months to resolve it.  If not, I will pay the debts and be done with it.  Cut my losses and run.  It is a fair price for my chance to reclaim my life.

Thank you Wise Bibi!

 
Okay - How about this revised letter? My goal is 1) have sure knowledge that he got the NC message, 2) clarify two pieces of unfinished business and 3) to have this 'incident' in my life completed (other than my own recovery work, of course). 

It is very matter of fact so not feeding him with emotional supply. And you try to take care of unfinished financial business. Assuming you don't have a lawyer to do this for you you'll either have to do it yourself or cut your losses and run.

BUT

You cannot have sure knowledge he will get the NC message. His emotions pull a 180 on him every 5 minutes. He might get it, and forget it again within minutes. You have NO control over what he thinks or feels. He doesn't have any control himself...

That's also why 'having it completed' can only come from you. Don't make your closure depend on him. He will never give it to you.

Also giving him one finger (wrapping up the financial business) can mean he will try to take your whole hand by dragging out the wrapping up. "Yes I will." "Oh not now, no money" "no, I don't want to sign them over, I want to keep them, you'll have to wait until I have money" "can I come over to sign them over?" etc etc

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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2016, 04:29:10 PM »

Ok, I am getting it.  You are right, he doesn't listen and of course the vehicles will be a way for him to keep me lingering.  So... .  No letter.  Suck up the less than $1000 in the interest of my sanity and my chance to move on.  Silence is the healer.  I'm blocking his number on my phone as soon as I press send.  Done. 

God, it is so hard to have that distorted perception out there.  I guess it is about him and not me.  And trying to get him to see it more realistically is just dumpster diving for reasonableness.  Done. Done. Done.

I am thinking of that song from South Pacific... ."I'm gonna wash that man right out of my hair... .and send him on his way".  He has been sent. 

Thanks gang!  So very much.  This is an amazing site.  I would not have been able to reclaim my life if I hadn't found this site that first day when I was afraid he would commit suicide if I left.  Incredible blessing.  Next payday I will add my two-bits to the fund drive. 

Blessings Friends!

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