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« on: March 06, 2017, 09:40:21 AM »

I would like to preface this by saying we're both in individual and couples therapy which is helping immensely. I guess I'm posting this more just to vent and in hopes of finding someone who can relate.

Per my initial post, my husband's therapist has unofficially diagnosed him with BPD, but he will be undergoing a 5-hour psych eval. at the end of this month. However, I didn't explain what brought us to this point.

For 6 years I was treated like an absolute princess. My husband doted on me and was so affectionate, but I also knew he struggled from depression, so any red flag was either attributed to that, or honestly, overlooked because I felt so loved.

That is, until I was completely blindsided by him saying he was unhappy, and then him secretly having an affair for 6 months with a co-worker WHILE going to couples therapy with me to fix our marriage. He lied to everyone.

Ultimately, the preliminary BPD diagnosis is kind of what scared him straight. He finally did really end his affair (after lying about ending it two other times) and we are now with a different couples therapist who is great. I will say, my husband is working hard.

Here's the thing though, while he's sorry for everything he does, I can tell he truly cannot grasp how difficult and painful this has been for me. He still feels on some level his affair was justified because he didn't feel like he was first in my life and that it made him feel more confident. But he admits, all this could have just been discovered with better communication.

One of his biggest issues is retrograde jealousy - being jealous of my sexual history before I even knew he existed. He shared a booklet with me that he found that was supposed to help overcome it and he asked me to read it. The booklet did address how past jealousy plays up on his insecurities that I will cheat on him. That's all well and fine, except for that all those nightmare scenarios ACTUALLY CAME TRUE for me since he DID cheat on me. When we brought this up in therapy, he said that didn't even occur to him.

We're slowly starting to be intimate again, and last night, he stopped me from doing something because he said the thought of me doing that to someone else popped into his head. Again, the person he's thinking of? That was 15 years ago. I'm supposed to validate his feelings on this when I still feel like he's not completely remorseful for cheating on me mere months ago?

It's moments like these where I don't want to validate or be empathetic to him because the desire to just punch his face (not really, but you know what I mean) is so much more appealing.
But I can't really lash out because then he gets fixates on saying he's a bad and unworthy person instead of just either apologizing or making amends.

I feel like in a way, his diagnosis has robbed me from being able to express how angry and hurt I am, because now everything has become about understanding his behavior.

I sometimes feel really lonely and that I will never have a day be about just me ever again. I am doing nice things for myself - I'm working out, I signed up for one of those online stylists for some new clothes - I'm looking out for me.

But I have this sad realization that since I'm no longer on that pedestal, I can't ever count on my husband to look out for me anymore.

Why am I staying? Because I believe in my vows - I'm going to at least try to see through all this a little bit. Also, he is sincerely trying. Despite the bad moments I shared, that's not the full picture - we do have great fun together and he makes me laugh like no other. I'm still crazy about him. I also love his family.

But I do grow sad sometimes realizing that I don't ever think it will be like it used to be.
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 11:01:32 AM »

Once again, Tonepoems, your post topic caught my attention. Then reading through it, I relate even more. It's like we are married to the same person! It seems we also deal with the issues in similar ways & stay in the r/s for some of the same reasons.

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Here's the thing though, while he's sorry for everything he does, I can tell he truly cannot grasp how difficult and painful this has been for me. He still feels on some level his affair was justified
My hub also cheated on me (several times as it turns out) and once even while I was in the hospital having surgery. He has since stopped cheating and has apologized for his behavior, but for a long time, he initially blamed me. Each time he cheated, he said it was bc I hadn't been sleeping with him often enough (we've never gone more than week w/o sex). Of course the reason I wasn't sleeping with him at those times was bc he was raging at me. Who wants to be intimate with someone who's yelling at you?

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I'm supposed to validate his feelings on this when I still feel like he's not completely remorseful for cheating on me mere months ago?
It's moments like these where I don't want to validate or be empathetic to him because the desire to just punch his face (not really, but you know what I mean) is so much more appealing.
But I can't really lash out because then he gets fixates on saying he's a bad and unworthy person instead of just either apologizing or making amends.
I hear you. I've heard several apologies, but never get a sense of true remorse. I think with BPD, the shame is too much to handle, which sends them into the black/white thinking of "all good or all bad." For them it becomes "I'm a bad person" instead of "I'm a good person who did a bad thing."
And yes, it's incredibly difficult to validate/be empathetic to someone who has hurt you so deeply.

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I feel like in a way, his diagnosis has robbed me from being able to express how angry and hurt I am, because now everything has become about understanding his behavior.
Diagnosis or not, it was always about him & his feelings. The only difference now is that it has a label.

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But I do grow sad sometimes realizing that I don't ever think it will be like it used to be.
I used to struggle with this feeling a lot & sometimes still do. It's grief - plain & simple. Grieving for the husband you "lost," the marriage you thought you'd have. What has helped me is talking about this grieving process in therapy. When I tell my therapist that "he's not the man I married," she reminds me that "He is that man, but now you've discovered that he is this man too." As far as being on that pedestal: Yes, that was a joyous place to be, but also a dangerous place. Nobody stays on the pedestal for long - we all get knocked off or fall - and it's a long way down. Sometimes when I long to be back on the pedestal, I try to remember how unhealthy that place was - it made us "uneven" - putting us on different levels. Now I try to focus on the goal that we should be eye-to-eye & occupying the same level space as partners in our relationship.

Glad to hear that you are practicing self-care & doing nice things for yourself! Keep it up!  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2017, 12:45:15 PM »

He has since stopped cheating and has apologized for his behavior, but for a long time, he initially blamed me.

Oh my goodness, yes - this. In our case, it wasn't sex since I actually have a higher drive than him (ironic, right?) but he said he felt like I put my work ahead of our marriage and that we weren't spending enough quality time together. The truth his, the amount of attention he requires is A LOT! We chat all day online when he's at work, and I was always made to feel guilty if I ever pursued an interest for myself. YET... .one of his reasons for cheating was that I no longer had any of my own interests. Again... .the punch in the face sounds so good about now. Smiling (click to insert in post)

His rage has always manifested as depression and self-loathing. Fortunately, he never yells or is violent, but he'll have days where he hates himself so much that it's impossible to get him up to do anything.

I realized I slowly became more codependent and enabled him by trying to constantly make him feel better. My life revolved around making him feel better. So there's that added sting of "yeah, this girl made me feel better about myself without even trying as hard as you."

Looking back now, it's because I fell into this enabling pattern and I think someone not being familiar with it was a refreshing change. I totally get it on a rational level. Doesn't make it hurt less.

I've heard several apologies, but never get a sense of true remorse. I think with BPD, the shame is too much to handle, which sends them into the black/white thinking of "all good or all bad." For them it becomes "I'm a bad person" instead of "I'm a good person who did a bad thing."

Exactly this! It's SO frustrating because it just ends the conversation or the argument. You can't work on making something better if you're so defeatist that you conclude that it's just all bad so why even bother. This is why I've been reading through everything on this site to learn out to counter those responses better - but it's work! (and some days I just feel so tired)

I used to struggle with this feeling a lot & sometimes still do. It's grief - plain & simple. Grieving for the husband you "lost," the marriage you thought you'd have. What has helped me is talking about this grieving process in therapy. When I tell my therapist that "he's not the man I married," she reminds me that "He is that man, but now you've discovered that he is this man too."

So true - and thankfully our couples therapist has been really great about framing our progress as this new marriage that we create together with new boundaries and expectations. I'm really glad we found her!

As far as being on that pedestal: Yes, that was a joyous place to be, but also a dangerous place. Nobody stays on the pedestal for long - we all get knocked off or fall - and it's a long way down. Sometimes when I long to be back on the pedestal, I try to remember how unhealthy that place was - it made us "uneven" - putting us on different levels. Now I try to focus on the goal that we should be eye-to-eye & occupying the same level space as partners in our relationship.

Great advice and I'll have to keep reminding myself of that. I do find that I miss all the little notes and all the affection (my main love languages are words of affirmation and touch) so it's been hard for me. But I'm a tough cookie and as long as he's trying on some level, I'll be there. At this point, I'll keep practicing my mindfulness and take it one day at a time. Thanks for listening - it helps to write this all out.
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