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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: March 19, 2018, 02:51:09 PM »

Quick facts:
  • Was married for 17 years
  • Divorced for 2+; separated for almost 3.
  • Managed to do a Collaborative Divorce.
  • 2 kids: daughter (14), son (12);  both have been in out of therapy, and son has talked about ending his life.
  • Though not diagnosed, my Ex has all the hallmark behaviors of a person with BPD.
  • We have 50/50 custody and parenting time.

My question is does anyone have any advice on how to help equip my kids to cope with and navigate their mom's behavior?

My son is to the point where he cries about not wanting to go back to mom's when the days come to switch.  Typically this switch occurs after school.  He says mom is unreasonable about "pretty much everything", and has even gone so far as to yell at him for texting or FaceTiming me; claiming that they never talk to her on my time, and that it is disrespectful to her.

My daughter also expresses a lot of frustration about being with mom.  For example, daughter used to enjoy attending weekly service at church.  I'm not religious, so mom makes them to make up for lost 'god time' when they are with me, and goes extra days.  Now, to my surprise, my daughter says she's no longer interested in getting confirmed or going to church.  It may be coincidence, but when I ask her why, she points out that mom goes to church way too much.

I keep telling them that I can only control my behavior.  I generally do not give in to the temptation of saying what I really think about mom to them, though I do find myself slipping up occasionally... .  I've given the kids express permission to call me out if they feel I'm bad mouthing mom, and they've done it at times.

But I feel those tactics are not enough and I want to give them more tools.  Any ideas?  Thoughts?  Advice?

Thanks in advance and thanks for this community!
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2018, 02:58:15 PM »

Toast,

I am dealing with many similar things with my son right now and I have found that being honest with him about his mother's condition without blaming has been very helpful.

Additionally I have been coaching him on how to maintain boundaries with his mother and how to avoid some triggers without compromising himself.

It is definitely a mixed bag of results as she has not moved out and he is only 10.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2018, 03:33:17 PM »

Hi toast127,

You are already doing some good parenting since your kids feel comfortable coming to you.  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)  Your story is very similar to my Significant Other's, married 17 years, 2 daughters 10 & 14 when their parents separated, younger daughter also talked of suicide and a teacher reported it and my SO's ex is also undiagnosed BPD though officially diagnosed Bi-Polar.

Below is the link to more information on various topics regarding parenting from this board there is a ton of good information, ideas and resources there... .https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=182254.0

If the kids aren't currently in therapy I would consider getting them in again, it's a good neutral place to talk things out and get some coping tools from a professional.

In terms of what you can do, keep doing what you are doing be a safe place for them to talk things out.  Validate their feelings and ask them questions that help them brainstorm their own solutions.

Hope I've given you something here that is helpful.

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2018, 04:30:29 PM »

We have the kids in counseling and one of the things I've asked the counselors to focus on is tools for dealing with their uBPD mom. We listen to them and we validate. Sometimes in specific instances we'll point out something to them that they may not be seeing.

My DH tells them that they can't control her and can only control how they react. SD15 is just starting to learn about setting boundaries, but for the most part she feels stuck. She is still a kid and there is so much that kids don't get to decide in these situations. Fortunately, I'm reading a book now called "I Don't Have To Make Everything All Better" and it is really helping me to understand my place in this. (Their dad, my DH, isn't nearly the "fixer" that I tend to be.)


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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2018, 10:47:41 AM »

Welcome and hello  Smiling (click to insert in post)

Great that you were able to do a collaborative divorce, and that your kids have had some therapy.  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

son has talked about ending his life.

Oof. That is tough. My son talked about ending his life starting at age 8 and I have never felt so helpless. I made a lot of mistakes responding to him until he was 11 or 12, which is when I learned to validate his feelings (so counter-intuitive... .). "You must feel so sad to say that. Did something happen today that you want to talk about?" Emotional validation is a skill taught by psychologists who noticed that reassuring people with suicidal ideation that they are wonderful only made them more suicidal  

If I could do that SI period over again with my son (who is now 16), I would've done family counseling together with him. He and I had individual counseling, but we really needed some family counseling, too. A skilled psychologist (S16's individual T) helped us work through some complicated dynamics and once we did that, we had shared language for the many hours outside of therapy. My T was also helpful, although I do think it helps to have a child psychologist specifically involved when the issue is a child's mental health struggles.

It can be very emotionally isolating to live in a home with BPD + codependent dynamics, especially for kids.

There is also a wonderful book by Bill Eddy called Don't Alienate the Kids, about raising emotionally resilient kids when one parent has BPD. It is really about modeling the kinds of behaviors needed to cope with a BPD loved one, which will ideally strengthen the bond between you and your kids while giving them some coping skills.

I keep telling them that I can only control my behavior.  I generally do not give in to the temptation of saying what I really think about mom to them, though I do find myself slipping up occasionally... .  I've given the kids express permission to call me out if they feel I'm bad mouthing mom, and they've done it at times.

I understand this, and can see how hard you are working to be fair. One thing that might help with this -- focusing on mom's behavior and not on mom's personality. "I can't control what mom does, but let's talk about some behaviors that we all know are hard to deal with. I found certain behaviors of hers challenging to cope with as an adult. As kids, this is going to be extra tough for you guys. The good news, there are skills. The bad news, they aren't easy -- altho they'll make a huge difference in your life going forward. I'm even thinking we go talk to the therapist together and try to come up with some exercises for when mom says x and y and z, so we can figure out a safe way for you guys to respond." Then practice the skills with them, starting with strangers, then working up to more difficult people.

If you aren't comfortable saying that mom has BPD (understandable), it might be helpful for you to read books about dealing with a BPD loved one, if you haven't already. Books like Loving Someone with BPD by Shari Manning and Overcoming BPD by Valerie Porr are very compassionate about BPD loved ones (while being very firm about boundaries), which can be tough for people who are still healing from bad BPD behaviors.

If you want to read books that are a bit less empathetic, there are others.

The main thing is to focus on validating how your kids feel, and curbing impulses to solve or fix or save or rescue them.

My favorite book throughout all of this is I Don't Have to Make Everything All Better by the Lundstroms. They suggest validating questions because the validation coupled with questions gives the other person a sense of responsibility, which leads to competence.

People with BPD have a higher than normal need for validation and an abysmal ability to validate others, so you kids will be extra thirsty. You'll have to provide double the validation until they reach a point where they can start to self-validate, which may take a couple of years or longer.

The key, I believe, is to recognize how emotionally lonely it is when one parent has BPD and to do what you can to create emotional closeness. Fortunately, your kids are alert to mom's behavior so you have lots of room to help them skill up.

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