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« on: March 14, 2018, 05:55:36 PM »

Hi folks. Male, 55, married 27 years, and realized recently that my wife is BPD. Spent the last 26 believing I am a crappy man and husband but have been quietly doing counseling over the past year and have learned from telling my story that imperfect as I am, she has BPD. I have spent much of my marriage protecting my kids and in a recent conversation they confided in my that I should have just left and taken them. They don't hate her but there is lots of anger there.

I am a professional. Live in the southeast. Lonely. Know I need to leave but for some crazy reason can't seem to pull that lever and go. Here because my therapist recommended and said some support would benefit me. Haven't done this before so I don't know process so thanks for understanding if I've left things out typical for an intro.

Grateful for whatever comes as I navigate these rough waters.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2018, 07:59:38 PM »

I have spent much of my marriage protecting my kids and in a recent conversation they confided in my that I should have just left and taken them. They don't hate her but there is lots of anger there.

That is a common perception, "I stayed for the kids."  However, that didn't provide the children with a solid example of a proactive, protective and example-to-follow parent.  An informed perception is that we should good examples for our children.  As an example, not simply that we stayed, but that we had strong boundaries for good behavior.  Sadly, the boundaries are ours, not the other parent's.  We can't make the spouse have boundaries, he or she would have to want them and with acting-out personality disorders such as BPD that's too-often not realistic.  So the boundaries have to be yours.  As in, If you push or violate ___ boundary then I will ___.  Your action may be to leave with the kids (kids, let's go to a store or park, etc) until the spouse calms down, transfer funds being wasted to a separate account where you can ensure the bills get paid, things like that.

In general, when we realize that the other parent is refusing to attend therapy and/or make progress in therapy then that typically translates into the conclusion and acceptance that the relationship is dysfunctional, unhealthy and unlikely to improve unless we decide to Do Something That Helps.

The reality for many here is that dysfunction and unhealthiness can become such a major issue that divorce is the only practical solution.  The ex won't respect our authority as the other parent and so we get family court to be The Authority, since its decisions are likely to be, if not optimal, then "less unfair".

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Living in a calm and stable home, even if only for part of their lives, will give the children a better example of normalcy for their own future relationships.  Staying together would mean that's the only example of home life they would have known — discord, conflict, invalidation, alienation attempts, overall craziness, etc.  Over 30 years ago the book Solomon's Children - Exploding the Myths of Divorce had an interesting observation (the earliest quote I could find) on page 195 by one participant, As the saying goes, "I'd rather come from a broken home than live in one."  Ponder that.  Taking action will enable your lives, or at least a part of your lives going forward, to be spent be in a calm, stable environment — your home, wherever that is — away from the blaming, emotional distortions, pressuring demands and manipulations, unpredictable ever-looming rages and outright chaos.  And some of the flying monkeys too.

What if the kids are grown and have their own lives now outside your home?  Then your decision is more about you than about minor kids... .though I would think improving your life would, even if a bit late, be an improved example for your kids.  With education about PDs and how to deal with them then you can make more informed and more confident decisions.

Your children too would do well to consult some counselors or therapists who are experienced in the impact of acting-out PD family members.  The past can't be undone or rewritten but it can be recast in a more informed perspective so the future is more positive.

Know I need to leave but for some crazy reason can't seem to pull that lever and go.

It's hard to change after so many years.  The first steps are the hardest.  Getting a therapist was a major step.  Coming here was another, we have an immense storehouse of hard-won experience regarding what usually works and what usually doesn't.  Keep on this path and each subsequent step will become less difficult and clearer too.

In time you may wish to share this site with your children but beware that this community is a safe place for those with BPD people in their lives, not for those persons who are acting-out with (BPD, etc) behaviors.  Your spouse, their mother, should have her own therapist if she is to make any sort of recovery from BPD.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2018, 09:01:08 PM »

Hi runner62,  

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I’d like to join ForeverDad and welcome you to bpdfamily. You’ll find that you’ll fit right in here we’re all experienced with having a pwBPD in our lives. There’s probably a good reason why you sought help from a T then cane here. I recall my exuBPDw was not interested in problem solving or ameliorating the marriage she was railing against me and was self destructive. I can’t speak for the legal aspect but I just want to let you know that this is a safe place where you can share your thoughts and feelings without being judged or invalidated. You’re not alone.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2018, 09:07:55 AM »

Hi runner62,

Welcome and hello Smiling (click to insert in post)

Glad you found the site, and sorry for what brings you here. I admire you for listening to your therapist's advice! I am pretty sure I ignored mine for years.

BPD is a tough disorder to wrap your head around, for them and for us. When there are kids, there are no easy answers. Leaving the marriage all but guarantees that things will get harder in the short term, and who wants that?

I need to leave but for some crazy reason can't seem to pull that lever and go.

Understandably so. Change is hard. You probably have become accustomed to the way things are, even if they aren't desirable. A lot of us took years to leave.

We can walk alongside you and listen if you want some understanding ears. What are some of the things keeping you? What appeals you about leaving? How do you imagine things will go if you decide to divorce?

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2018, 05:10:32 PM »

Thanks all for the good words. I have a good therapist who is gracious and wise enough to keep me thinking and addressing things little by little.

"What keeps me in the marriage?" That is a great question.

Two things I suppose. I know my BPD spouse well enough to know that she will likely blow up any and all of my friendships if I go. I am protecting them (or that is what I tell myself). I know they can take care of themselves but I fear losing the few friends I have managed to keep. I have 1 female friend in particular that I suspect, believe, know, my spouse will blame as an affair as the reason for our breakup (if I leave). I can't bear the idea of her family having to go through that because of my crazy life.

Second, I am without question afraid of being alone. I have a history of abandonment and those issues loom large for me. My therapist has diagnosed me with PTSD from my childhood. She says I am amazingly resilient, to a fault, but nevertheless, afraid. In the end, being taken advantage of is better than being alone (at least my animal brain tells me that).

So, putting my stuff on the table quickly here but I suspect the only way to address this is to be honest and do what must be done.

I want to leave. I haven't been able to make myself do it. I am tired all the time. Joy is rare, if ever these days. I am lonely (but of course making friends is to deal with the accusations of "You like them better than me," "Are you having an affair," "Well, I am just trying to be present for the family" ... .). At times I think I am the crazy one. Sigh.

Pretty scattered thoughts but trying to get it out there. Thanks folks.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2018, 11:01:36 AM »

Having PTSD is tough  

And being resilient. Sigh. It can be a curse. It's tiring to feel that you have to be in control all the time, if that's something that affects you as part of your PTSD.
 
I want to leave. I haven't been able to make myself do it.

How would you feel about simply gathering information for now? So, no decision necessary, just gathering information to balance out what you do know, which is how to stay. You've gotten good at that part.

You could spend some time investigating what leaving might look like, how it would work (legally) where you live. Then talk to your T about how that feels, what it brings up for you.

Consulting with a few attorneys could cost anywhere from $50-$500 for an hour, depending on where you live. People here can help you think of questions to ask.

I even gave my therapist and lawyer permission to talk to each other, which they did once or twice.

The abandonment fears are hard. We often prefer what is safe and familiar, even if it is not good for us, because the alternatives (uncertainty, loneliness) seem worse.

A quick question about your female friend. Would you feel comfortable preemptively talking to her and her partner together, to let them know what might be coming their way? Not now, necessarily, but at some point?

I did this with my boss. I suspected (rightly) that my ex would try to sabotage me at work. I was stunned by the support my boss gave me. It turned out she had been married to someone with a personality disorder, and she took measures to protect me that were above and beyond what I could've hoped for.

People can really surprise you.  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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