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« on: April 09, 2018, 12:06:44 PM »

Hello,

I have a 28 year old daughter with BPD who was only diagnosed a year ago, but has been showing symptoms for years. We had her tested at that time only to find out there was nothing wrong... .lost all her friends & left home at 19 because she did not want to live by any rules, no school, work or anything else so she decided to leave and not let us know where she was for months at a time.  Got into all kinds of drugs, trouble and living on couches for a few years until she crashed last year and begged us to help her of which we did,  we had her tested again and found out she had BPD all along... .Got her into rehab for three months and back home with us which was impossible to live with as she got back into the drugs and difficult behaviour.  We then decided to get her an apartment as it was impossible to live with her.  Well we are now holding her hand through every doctor appointment, shopping ect... .she stays home all day and sleeps... .we pay for all of her expenses and ask her that the only thing we expect from her is to take small steps to get on with a program that will help her.  We have done all the research for her and provide her with options of what she can do to help herself, She does not do anything to try to help herself in anyway, just sleeps all day saying it is the medication of which we have discussed with her doctor and he flatly denied that reasoning.  She is now splitting my husband and I against each other if I do not go along with everything she wants or says... .We need help as most of our arguments center around her now.  
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2018, 01:12:01 PM »

I am sorry you are in so much pain and turmoil due to your daughter's problems. You and your husband are doing everything you can to help her, and it is causing a lot of arguments. She has a serious drug problem which most likely will have to be dealt with before anything can be resolved. For more than 20 years, the most highly regarded and  effective treatments for substance abuse involves Motivational Interviewing. Motivational Interviewing is a series of interventions that meets the person with the drug and/or alcohol problem where there are in terms of motivation, including having no motivation to do anything, and takes the pressure off counselors and relatives to try to change their behaviors. The techniques can be used by anybody and are very effective in motivating the person with substance abuse problems to take charge of their recovery. You can google "Motivational Interviewing" and you will find all kinds of information. I admire how you continue to support your daughter despite all the heartbreaking difficulties. Your daughter is lucky to have you, as many parents of children with substance abuse problems often give up on helping because nothing seems to work. There are many people on this board who have challenges similar to yours. Keep us posted and let us know how we can help.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2018, 02:06:55 PM »

Hi there Webzy

Gosh, your words could have been mine a few years ago. My son got dx at 24 and is now 27 and thanks to a change in approach we are all in a better place. Thanks to this forum. I’m very glad you found us.

We were paying all our son’s expenses at 24, he spiralled downwards and we knew there was no way none of us could carry on. Our savings were gone and quite honestly he couldn’t do anything for himself. We brought him home not knowing what on Earth we would do or how long it would last.

I’m glad to say he’s functioning and living independently but close to us as he needs the emotional support. A long term drug user - I know what you’re going through.

You’ve said it’s been a year since diagnosis. Have you read much about BPD?  I wonder if this information has helped you understand your daughters behaviours - it certainly helped me.

I’ve learnt how to interact much better with my son. I learnt new skills and simple techniques and he responded positively. It was baby steps and my confidence grew. Somehow I had to get my son to accept responsibility for himself, he couldn’t live off us forever. We found our way forwards. I hope you can too - it’s all here with gentle inching forwards as you get yourself a powerful toolkit of skills and personal boundaries and limits.

I hope in the forthcoming few days you and your husband can get on the same song sheet. I got myself a simple 3 point plan that helped me immensely - three basic objectives.

My heart goes out to you. It’s just all so exhausting and confusing as to know what’s best.

How often do you see your daughter?

Hugs

LP





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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 11:08:26 AM »

Hi there Webzy

Gosh, your words could have been mine a few years ago. My son got dx at 24 and is now 27 and thanks to a change in approach we are all in a better place. Thanks to this forum. I’m very glad you found us.

We were paying all our son’s expenses at 24, he spiralled downwards and we knew there was no way none of us could carry on. Our savings were gone and quite honestly he couldn’t do anything for himself. We brought him home not knowing what on Earth we would do or how long it would last.

I’m glad to say he’s functioning and living independently but close to us as he needs the emotional support. A long term drug user - I know what you’re going through.

You’ve said it’s been a year since diagnosis. Have you read much about BPD?  I wonder if this information has helped you understand your daughters behaviours - it certainly helped me.

I’ve learnt how to interact much better with my son. I learnt new skills and simple techniques and he responded positively. It was baby steps and my confidence grew. Somehow I had to get my son to accept responsibility for himself, he couldn’t live off us forever. We found our way forwards. I hope you can too - it’s all here with gentle inching forwards as you get yourself a powerful toolkit of skills and personal boundaries and limits.

I hope in the forthcoming few days you and your husband can get on the same song sheet. I got myself a simple 3 point plan that helped me immensely - three basic objectives.

My heart goes out to you. It’s just all so exhausting and confusing as to know what’s best.

How often do you see your daughter?

Hugs

LP

Thank you for your response... .it truly mirrors our life.  Firstly I am so glad to know that your son is on a better road to helping himself become independent.  My daughter does not want to see me but does communicate and sees her father often.  She lives minutes away from us, but through all of this new diagnosis, she now sees me as the enemy trying to take her father away from her... .When she left home, and we had no idea where she might be, her father and I started fighting about bringing her home as she was only 19 with no education and no money. My life was complete misery as of course I thought the worst, especially driving to work every morning past young girls my daughters age sleeping on the street and drugged up with nothing but there shirt on... .she knew how hard it was for us especially me and over months I convinced her father to bring her back with some simple conditions, as when she lived at home she did not go to school, work but went out to all hours of the night doing drugs.  Living at home was short lived, as she broke every rule and more.   Well, I was the nice mom for awhile until the next time I would disagree. That of course was short lived, so that is how I am now the enemy and her father is her world... .Please provide any helpful information on how you and your son came to a better way of communicating, I feel that my daughter would love to break up our relationship as shown by various behaviours, and calling me SHE to her father. 
Your mentioned three objectives, what were they... .anything else would truly help us... .how is your son managing, what methods did you use to get him to this place... .

Desperate mom... .

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2018, 11:05:48 AM »

Hi Webzy

Sorry I repeat, this is a bit rambly!

My son returned home at 24, just before Xmas and it was just awful.  I got to work on the forum and realised that I finally had to either just let him go (homelessness) or try something I'd never tried before.  Afterall, everything I'd ever done just made things worse.  I saw that I had to change my approach.

At first, I pushed.  I had a non-functioning adult living at home and I wasn't going to financially support him forever.  I tried to get him to find work.  I tried to get him to sign on for benefits.  I tried to get him to get through an interview.  I tried to get him to the GP to get signed off as sick if he couldn't function.  I tried to get him into some sort of mental health treatment.  All failed.  I learnt my lesson - I'm a slow learner  Smiling (click to insert in post)  It took years!

We were happy to provide bed and board for the time being.  It couldn't go on forever though could it.  At the very end of the day, we have our own lives and plans for retirement etc - also a younger son to consider.  I tell you it was scary, my husband has fearful as I was.  I did not like my son, hated his behaviour, hated his illness, he'd lie, cheat, steal from us - but he was obviously very depressed and in a lot of pain.  Our house was just so sad.  We were in an emotional mess.

What on earth were we to do?  Allow him to remain in this inert state?

This sounds simple and I realise you may not believe me but here goes.

It was a three-pronged approach.  I got myself a plan, I stopped giving him money, I left him to work out his own problems.

My personal three goals:
1.  Improve my core relationship with my son24
2.  Get him some financial management skills
3.  Get him to live independently at some point (no timescale set)

I took a long time to work them out. I considered more but if I could achieve these 3 I'd be happy forever. Amazingly I didn't add stop drugs and get therapy - my reasoning being that these were his choices and he'd have to be self-motivated for these to work.  I figured that even if, for whatever reason, my son left our home then No 1 was needed for all our sakes.  

I see your situation is different as your daughter is living independently with you paying.  Now I posted and asked for advice - maybe you want to do the same.  Some said, get yourself a contract, one said they were reducing financial payments in phases.  Posting up and asking direct questions is great - you can then pick and choose as you want, choose to do something else.  All our situations are unique.  It's important to be comfortable and trust your gut. I encourage you to talk to you husband, really take some time discussing and then reflecting on what your long term goals are. You may be happy to financial support her forever, your priorities most probably are different than mine; our lives are different.

How to improve my core relationship?  Well, first of all I stopped judging or criticising him.  I'd go further with this, I got light as a fairy whenever he was around.  Real smiley and cheerful.  He'd come into the kitchen for a few minutes and I'd say "hi".  I'd leave the silence awhile, see if he'd start a conversation, and if not then I'd talk about anything, anything but problems.  Weather, funny story, bit of family news, what I was cooking - anything and everything unimportant.

I stopped questions.  I stopped judging or criticising.  I didn't ask him to do anything. I didn't talk about his problems.  I made every interaction count.

Slowly, and I mean slowly, he started to seek me out or start a conversation with me.  I treated each conversation like a gift.  I'd try my new skills I was quietly learning on the forum.  Validating, validating, validating.  

He started to warm up, relax around us.  He knew that he was "safe".  He started to open up.  This is when I needed to use those skills I'd been quietly learning.  It didn't come easy as I found validation hard to sound natural.  SET & DEARMAN came later when I started to tighten the screw down a little when I moved onto step number 2.

It took him 3-4 weeks to find himself his first day's work.  I offered to drive him there and back.

That was a breakthrough.

I tried to not sweat the small stuff.  :)isgusting room etc.  It wasn't my priority.

I had one boundary - no drugs or smoking in the house.  My son was a quiet BPD and didn't rage but internalise his feelings.  Limits I set, I kept flexible to meet wherever he was at at that time.  He faced challenges he'd never faced before and I'd allow him the space to work out his problems himself.  Little things like opening up a debt collection letter (another breakthrough that he opened it).  I couldn't believe it when he actually called them up.  He's never paid it back by the way.

My son is now 27.  He works outside doing a job that he can manage.  He enjoys it, has thrived and is now taking on responsibilities there.  He struggles with relationships with his two bosses but they like him and understand him (some) so I think it's working out OK.  His living arrangements are not ideal but he'll work this out eventually.  He stays in touch, regularly comes to eat (particularly when he's hungry and he has no money).  He's reduced his drugs by 80% as it was financially unsustainable.  Moving out (my idea) was a push, timed right because I knew he was ready.  We cracked open a bottle of champagne - we just couldn't believe it.

I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts.  I feel this forum has saved my family.  I fully committed to our core relationship and it was the BEST thing I've ever done.  My family is closer, happer - despite the problems (because they are still there).

I used to give my son options.  I used to set an expectation.  I stopped doing it.  I let him work out how he could help himself.  Everything that he should do himself, he should do himself.  I realise now that for him to behave like an adult, he needed to be treated like one - gently, supportively.  We all want to feel loved and be understood.  Getting the balance right is a tricky thing - but it can be done and I hope that you have some hope.

What's your husband say?

Hugs

LP
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2018, 09:50:59 AM »

Hi Webzy

I'd like to join Lollypop in welcoming you. I'm sorry your daughter painting you black and your husband white, that's so difficult for you, what's your husbands take on this?

LP gives great advice and experience what's worked for her situation.

I too have a simple plan, my 29DD lives at home, like LP I'm letting my DD work it out on her own. I have been through times of frustration thinking gee is this never going to end and then I remind myself of her limitations and that she is doing her very best to find a life worth living for her and she's made great progress, it's the slow boat to China.  

1) Treatment, my DD engaged in treatment, I've emotionally supported her, including financially 'bed and board' since she gave up work December 2016 to concentrate on getting well.
2) Getting back to work - she's at this step, it's not a quick fix, I'm letting her find her way, she has ideas and opportunities, she is also emotional and fearful and this causes her distress, she knows she has to work through this and make decisions, hopefully come out the other side triumphant, successful in understanding what SHE is able to achieve and what are her limits.
3) Independent living - it's horrendously expensive where we live, she is on a waiting list for social housing as I see it she'll either be able to work to pay her way in life, parts of it or not, ie on disability benefits.

It's so hard your daughter can't help herself, sounds familiar to me, is your daughter suffering from depression? My DD spent months and months in bed unable to help herself when she was really, really unwell - in crisis, emotional dysregulation, depression, anxiety, psychosis a real scary whammy I would not wish on anyone.

I'm so glad you've found us, you'll receive great support here and ideas how you can help your situation. I look forward to reading your posts.

Things can get better.

WDx

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