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« on: April 26, 2019, 09:51:02 AM »

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So uBPDw just came by the house, I’m off work today, she was dropping of the bean bags for the corn hole boards she got me last year...

I saw her up town the other day, vehicles passing and we traded texts... so I knew she would drop by this morning.

This is the second time I’ve seen her in close quarters in the last five months.

I thought about leaving, but I decided to stay... as I’ve been working in the yard this morning.

So she pulls into the driveway, and I put down my rake and walked over to her... her appearance is not good, she has lost a lot of weight, she looked pale, but those brown eyes were as fiery as ever... she handed over the bean bags... and I attempted guarded conversation... I showed her the two large stumps I’d dug out with the backhoe I rented last week, trees damaged by the hurricane last September...

We then walked around the yard, she inspected all her plants and shrubs she had planted over the years, and I commmeted that everything came back after the winter...

Then as we paused at the back fence... I told her, it’s good to see you, thank you for bringing those items by, I paused... and caught her eyes... and I said... I want you to come back home one day ‘Q’, I love you and I miss you...

She responded... I am still hurting from what happened... I don’t consider this place home, you’ve told me as much...

I responded... this is both our home, I care about you very much... I pray for you everyday...

She turned and said she needed to go,

As we walked back to her jeep she shared with me that her oncologist has taken her off her treatments due to her being so frail and sick from the treatments... she said she goes back up to Duke next month, for more scans to see what is going on, and to see if anything is different... ie’ spread or reduced...

When we got to her jeep, I told her, I’d like to see you more, and I reached out for a hug, and she gave me a hug, a little one... one of those pat pat hugs... she said I looked ‘dirty’ from the yard work... she got in and closed the door, as she did I told her I loved her again, she did not say anything back...

I stepped back as she pulled away down the driveway...

So what was this visit all about... I don’t think it was about ‘sandbags’...

It’s raining now... and I’m sitting on the back porch ‘replaying’ it over and over in my head.

The fact that her doctor has removed her from her treatment regime... and her appearance this morning, I’m scared.

I’ve been reading more about ‘cachexia’ the past few weeks... this is what is known as ‘muscle wasting’... severe weight loss due to cancer or else other diseases... the things I’ve been reading in regard to is alarming...

She is all moved into her new home she has bought...

Her two adult children were to come for a visit next month for her birthday but both have canceled ?

There is more to it I’m sure... but right now it’s none of my buisiness... but missing her birthday this year... somethings going on...

I wonder what happened...

I think I did ok this morning with her, she did try to bait me a couple of times...’why’ I don’t know... BPD is what it is... and there was more to this visit this morning besides ‘cornhole sand  bags’...

There was another random text the other day from her... out of the blue, she told me about the air show up in Goldsboro... and that I should take S32a up there on Saturday... I already knew about it... but I text back... “Thunderbirds?”... she responded... “yes and a B-52 as well!”... her Son used to work on them... I didn’t respond... that’s when we saw each other up town vehicles passing the next day... resultant in this mornings visit...

Thoughts ?

Thanks for listening...

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2019, 10:24:42 AM »

Ok, no sooner than I posted, she calls me back, and asked me if I had any of the “white” electrical wire left, even offered to come back to the house to look in the shed attic... I told her I got “gray” wire left and lots of “yellow” scraps... but no white I’m pretty sure... I said I’d go out and look after this thunderstorm passes over as it’s lightning pretty spectacularly right now... I reported back that I don’t have any white wire...

She said thanks for looking... I said talk again soon byebye...

Then... she calls back again!...

And says... she is going to take her little dog back home as she had her at the groomers here in town... and get this !

She wants to have lunch !

In about forty minutes... our old hangout... Mexican...

I’m off to the shower now...

What gives ?

Got to be on my game here... mindfulness... cognitive - dialectic... tools tools tools...

Please wish me luck !

Red5 out~
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2019, 10:30:15 AM »

Just listen Red.

Listen to what she wants right now and focus on that.

She feeling you out... trying to see if anything has really changed.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2019, 10:39:49 AM »

Just listen Red.

Listen to what she wants right now and focus on that.

She feeling you out... trying to see if anything has really changed.
thanks Skip!
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2019, 06:34:31 PM »

Listen, listen, validate, offer support.

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2019, 07:44:07 PM »

Ok, sitting on porch shed, fire in fire pit... drinking wine out of mason jar... quite time... been working on yard all day... it’s get good dark , phone rings... it’s her... have not had chance to debrief “lunch”’yesterday... lots to unpack...

So phone rings... she needs help at her new home... she is panting... needs to remove toilet to gain access to wall behind... screws stripped... rusted... said she needs help...

“Come over once S32a is asleep...

I say sure... will pack up tools be over in two hours...

Sanity check... what is this...

Help !

Red5 is in dire straights here... not much time to explain...

I am Lt Brubacker in closing scenes of movie here.,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lF-SC-9b7tc

I’m gong in “hot”...

Whiskey tango foxtrot... help!

Red5

 
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2019, 08:32:36 PM »

Ok, Red5 is rolling to the rescue... operation toilet removal... uBPDw”s new house... never been there, no security clearance... out of the blue I get tasked... so I’m rolling on the call... Red5 is in his xwing fighter... “Red Leader... where are you... “Tie Fighters”’closing... I’m in the trench... closing on target... Red Leader (Skip - Cat - Formflier) where are you... twenty minutes till “tango”...

Ok, I’m on my own... tools tools tools !

Mission... remove toilet from under pinnings... no worries !

If Red5 can install a GAU-12U _ 25 millimeter gun system on the belly of a Harrier Jump Jet... tiolet removal is a “piece of cake”... well except for BPD...

Fifteen minutes till contact... new house, new dog... out of element...

I’ve beem trained well, I’ll be ok...

Ok, tools...’task at hand’... validate... validate... validate...

No!... invalidation...’take any and all punishment’... in and out...

Visor down... flaps down... head down, gear down... coming in hot...

Red5 out~> 
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2019, 10:58:24 PM »

Operation completed...

Red5 is back aboard home plate...

Need a drink... debrief later...

Red5 out ~>
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2019, 11:06:50 AM »

How did it go?
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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2019, 11:27:08 AM »

After-action report…

So uBPDw texts me and says she has ‘bean-bags’ for the corn hole board, she comes by the house and drops them off, we talked, it got a little tense, some projection, some blame, and she left.

Then she calls me up about two hours later, and wants to have lunch, I agree.

This is only the second time I’ve seen her in person since 1 December.

I’ve been working in the yard, so I shower and change, and leave early, don’t want to be late… (BPD).

I arrive at the Mexican joint, I’m about ten minute early, don’t want to be late (BPD).

I wait… and then I get out of my jeep, and walk up to the front door, and wait… she pulls in, she sits in her jeep, she’s is on the phone, this continues to ten past twelve (our date)… then she opens the hatch, and gets out, and there is a large box in the back, she’s taking pictures of a bar code tag… she then gets back into her jeep… this process repeats about four times!

So I finally get up the nerve to walk over, thinking she hasn’t seen me, I approach from the front, so as to not startle her (BPD)… I tap in the window, she looks up, and gives me the inboard index ring finger wait one sign?

I say ok to myself, and walk back up to the door of the restaurant… and wait, now its twenty past… then she opens her door, and says “help me”… I go back over, she has this microwave she has bought, in the back, she says its damaged, and she is trying to set up a return (?)… can’t figure out how to text a picture she has taken of the bar code tag… I help her, she closes the door again (engine is running)…

Finally, she is done, it’s now a full thirty minutes past twelve… she gets out, and apologizes, and starts telling me how the box store, and ‘samsung’ are terrible people… dented microwave, special order, on sale… no customer service… on and on and on… I just listen, and say “no worries”.

We go inside, and are seated… we order two beers, she looks like she may blow away, she’s lost so much weight… then she goes into a story about patio furniture, a birthday present (early) from her two adult children, that was miss delivered, and was the wrong order, to her house… and how the truck driver wouldn’t move it to the back of the house… her mum was there (MIL)… she says mum and her ganged up on the truck driver, and “shamed him” (exact words)… then it turned out it was the wrong table, so they made him load it back up, and haul it away… she said she called the store and complained… (BPD).

I just listen, and ‘observe, not absorb’… and “AHA”… aware – halt – adjust… Being very careful about anything I think I might say, and I am monitoring my facial expressions, and mannerisms (BPD).

The food arrives, so we start eating (after saying grace)… she now starts into small talk…

She tells me about her sisters, her mum, her new neighbors… her dog, and then her medical status…

I just continue to listen,

Then its starts to turn, I can “feel it”… I mentally reach for my tool bag,

She starts telling me she feels broken, her first marriage, our marriage, her cancer… her friends (former work colleagues) who never call or visit… I push the ball back up… “how are Ginny, and Jerimiah” (her two kids/alternate names)… she says “they are fine, and doing well”… but that they won’t be coming for her birthday… then she starts talking about her house… going to pull up the carpet, and lay wood flooring, and new paint… etc’etc’ ~>

She starts to descend again… actually trying to bait me… “have you finished the projects we started in “your” house… what have you been doing”… I say that I’ve been working on it some, but its not finished, She comes after me… “you know that was important to me, it just tells me that you don’t really care about my feelings”…

I search for anything to ‘validate’… I say… “your right, I’ve been unsupportive, and I apologize, I should have all that stuff finished by now, I am working on it, it’s just slow going, as I’m pretty busy with work and S32a”… “but I’ll get there” (I smiled)… she did not,

Then she asked me how I am “really doing”… I thought for a second… (BPD-trap?)… and then I responded, “I’m ok, I’m depressed though, I miss you, I struggle daily with what happened, I replay it over and over… I miss you very much, I really messed things up, and I am so sorry “Q”, I love you very much, and I would do whatever I could to try and make things work between us”… she says “I miss you too”…

She says, “how is the therapy going”, are you still going”… what does he say” (Major Tom)… I responded, “it’s going well, I continue to work on my mindfulness, I am learning new tools to handle the daily things… I am learning so much about myself, this ‘cognitive ability, and dialectic tools’… It’s really helping in how I relate to others, and the way I respond and act in a stressful, or emotional situation”…

She repeated… “well, what does he say… about you and me”… I responded, “he says I’m codependent”… “do you know what that means “Q”?… She responds… “You’re codependent for your ex-wife, NOT me Red!”… I didn’t bite the bait…

I just said, “well I’m working on things… its tough, I want us to be ok, and to be able to make it in this marriage”…

She starts in on me again… (an hour and a half has passed)… she starts talking about her cancer diagnoses… and that her oncologist has taken her off her treatments… that tuned into, “I’m actually feeling peaceful now”… (she said)… “stress is not good for me, I can’t go back to “your” house, I can’t be around your Son, I don’t want him to touch me… he outweighs me by eighty pounds now… you did not defend me from him, he attacked me… you do not hold him accountable, or punish him when he does something wrong”… I just listened, and by now it was starting to hurt…

Waiter shows up, this breaks that line of talk with her… so I use it as a chance to steer her back ^up^… I say to her… “I’m listening “Q”, your feelings are important to me… I want to make things better, and I want to stop making them worse… I don’t want to “walk on eggshells” anymore around you, I don’t want you to feel stressed around me or “J” anymore either… I want to try to create a safe home environment for you one day, one that you could accept… if you do chose to comeback home one day”… “I’m trying “Q”… “I’m trying very hard to listen, and to understand you, and what you are going through, and my part in it, so that I can correct it, correct things that I broke”…

She said… “I just feel broken Red”… “I do love you Red, but you are toxic to me right now”…

She went onto say, that she never did call the Pastor back, and that the time they did speak, that “he didn’t help me very much”… and that she wanted to start going back to the eight o’clock service, but she never did… and wasn’t going to  ; (

I paid the bill, and gathered my plate, and reflected for a moment on what she is saying… I looked into her beautiful brown eyes, and all I saw was pain and worry staring back  ; (

She looks so frail, and weak… my heart started to race… and said… “I love you to “Q”… and I am here if you ever need me… for anything, I mean that”…

So she stared back at me… and said, “sorry lunch was not very nice”, I need to go now”…

I responded, “well it doesn’t have to end on a bad note”…

We got up to leave, I walked her to her jeep, and she paused before she opened her door, I reached out for a hug, she gave me one… a little one, a “guarded one”…

I dropped my guard, and I released the boy who lives inside of Red5… and I said to her… “listen bone head, you are an extremely hard headed woman, you are a very beautiful woman… and you are a total pain in my Bullet: comment directed to __ (click to insert in post)$$, you are a very difficult person… but I love you… YOU drive me absolutely crazy… yes, with the heat of thousand suns I love you "Q"… and YOU ain’t NEVER going to change that”… “it was great to see you, and I hope to see even more of you”, “good luck with that dented microwave you got there, and try not to be too hard on them ole’ boys down at the “Lew’s”… ”and call me if you ever need anything, I won’t be far away”…

She got in her jeep, and said bye, and drove away…

Later that day (Friday)… I’m at home, phone rings, it’s her again…

She says to me… “I’m sorry Red that our lunch date did not go so well, and that we argued yet again, but I figured we need to start somewhere”…

I responded, “no worries “Q”, it’s always good to see you, and I don’t think we argued at all, I think we had an honest and passionate conversation, both of us have a lot of grief towards the other… and I am glad we are talking again”…

She then went on to tell me how the store manager at “Lew’s” didn’t see things eye to eye with her, over that microwave, the sale, and the money she had spent (BPD) .. but he did give her ninety dollars back on the presale price… “that’s good I said, once “Risqué” (uBPDw’s BIL) helps you mount it, you probably won’t even see that little dent”…

She said, “you’re probably right, and I just wanted to call you back and say I was sorry for arguing with you at lunch”…  

I told her… “take care now, call me if you need anything, don’t overdo it now… I love you “Q”… bye bye now”… And that was it…

Next day (Saturday)…

Its late in the evening, been digging at the stumps in the yard all day… I’ve set a huge fire in the fire pit… I am sitting on the shed porch with the two stray cats… phone rings…

It’s her again!… I am thinking wow, lots of communication in twenty-four hours, after nothing for over three weeks now…

‘Hello’… “I need help” she says… “can you come over here after S32a goes to bed”… “I need help getting this toilet away from the wall, so I can paint behind it”… ”it’s stuck, rusty screw’s… I’m not strong enough”…

“Sure!, “I will pack a tool bag, and I’ll be over in about an hour and a half… whets the new address again”… she gives me the new address… and says “thank you, I’ll leave the front porch light on for you”… “Bye Bye”,

Now, what she doesn’t know is this… my Son has been spending spring break with his mother… he’s been gone for a week now, and he comes back home next weekend… if I’d have told her this (BPD)… it would have set her off, any interaction I have with ‘ex’ in regards to S32a, sets her off, HUGE trigger… so I am not about to tell her that at this time… hmmm ; (

I roll, and arrive at her new place at a little before ten pm…

She meets me at the door, and lets me in… it’s a very nice place, and it’s strange to see all “our” furniture in a new and strange place… I say, “so where is the toilet”… she says “right this way down the hall, and thank you Red”… “do you need any help, can I hold anything for you, do you need anything”… I say “nope, I should be fine”… I say “why don’t you let the puppy out, she ain’t going to hurt nothing”… she says “she is a terror”… and lets her out, a nine month old yorkie : )

{Red loves puppys!}

So I get the toilet tank off, most rikki tik!… with the puppy’s help of course…

She comes into the bathroom, and says “what do you think of the color?”… I say, “its blue, sky blue”… she says, “well it’s the WRONG color, and NOT what I ordered (more BPD)… and I can’t take it back, you take it”, and she produces a full can of paint… and say’s… “it’s the same color as S32a’s bedroom, so you take it ok”… I say “good to go, and thank you”…

She says, “thanks again, I just couldn’t get that rusty bolt, how did you get it off”, I held up a pair of vice grips, and my super-sized straight slot… she gave me one of those very rare “approval” looks of hers… and said… “would you like a beer, or a glass of wine or something”… I said “sure, a beer sounds good”… and I picked up the tool bag, and the can of paint and headed to the entryway, and sat them down.

She invited me into the living room, and gave me a beer… and she sat down across from me… and “small talk commenced”… as her new yorkie ran back and forth chasing her little ball as fast as I could throw it…

I asked for the “five-dollar tour”… she obliged… “why haven’t you sat up your bed yet”, “because I am going to remove all this carpet, and lay hardwood floors… “Ok”… “it’s a very nice house “Q”… I like all the colors in here”… “it’s too dark, I’m going to repaint it all”… “cool” I said… back to the couch, more “conversation”…

We talked about the base, and all the rumors about new squadrons coming one day (F-35B)… and how that may affect home prices, or rental prices… and she says… “this house would be very nice for a young family with children, and a small dog one day, after I get the chain link fence put up”… hmmm?

“How is work?” she asked… “what were you doing in New York?”… I explained in “short hand”… because I know that she doesn’t want the long version (BPD)… “work is very busy… it’s the third qtr of the fiscal year”… “lots going on, staying busy”…

“Chrill and Viqtour (Foo sis and BIL) bought a new camper, a thirty footer”… “wow” I said… “we should buy a camper one of these days”… then she say’s “I thought you said that you weren’t going on any more trips with me” (trap)… “you said you couldn’t travel with me anymore”… [ I did say this last year… and for good reasons –BPD- ]… I responded, “that was then, this is now, things are different now, or at least I’m hoping they will be between us one day”…

Then she went right into politics, as we have a special election here in this area to replace Congressman Jones who passed away recently… “who do you think we should vote for” she said… “I’ve no real clue, as I’ve given up on the news lately”… “but I need to look into it, I like the female pediatrician who is running”… she said… “I’m probably not going to vote; I’ll wait till they thin out until the general election”… “want another beer Red”… [ Red thinks to himself, beer #2, maybe “truth serum” careful there hot rod ]…

The next beer arrives, and the puppy goes outside… then she tells me about her neighbors, and how her mum (MIL) has her other BIL, Risqué, oldest Foo sis’s H… is over at mums house doing a full remodel… as mums a widower #2 now… and has come into a quite a bit of sustainment $… then she brings up our “my” house again… (trap 2nd beer)… I say… “whatever you don’t like, I can red-do for you” (I smiled)…

She did not (smile)…

Running out of things to talk about now… its getting late, she says she needs to go to bed… and I need to get back home.

I get up to leave, I stop and turnaround, and I ask for a hug, she hugs me, deeply this time… I tell her I love her, she does not respond, I ask for a little kiss, she says “no… good night, and thank you”… then she hands me a bag of seeds that grow wild flowers, and says she doesn’t want this, and to take it… I pick up the tool bag, the can of paint, and the bag of seeds, and she shows me out the door…

And that was it,

Hmmm, that’s a lot of interaction over two days… the most ever since she moved out… what am I to think, any thoughts here… or is it just what it seems, she needed a man to come and remove the toilet tank?

I think I did ok, I didn't fight back when baited (JADE)… she is who she is…

I ruminate… Sorry for such a long post…

Thanks for listening, ok; back to work now!

Red5
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2019, 11:12:27 PM »

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She says to me … “I’m sorry Red that our lunch date did not go so well, and that we argued yet again, … but I figured we need to start somewhere” …
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She said, “you’re probably right, and I just wanted to call you back and say I was sorry for arguing with you at lunch” ….  
She wanted to "start somewhere" ... an olive branch, so to speak. Sounds like it went okay, she asked you for help...

My h seems to get lonely sometimes and just wants someone to talk to; life can be pretty overwhelming, even for him.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2019, 02:40:53 AM »

Hey Red,

Sounds very promising and like empath said looks like she's handing an olive branch. The jobs are likely her way of playing the game she knows best, the Karpman Triangle. Can you see how she is positioning herself as the victim in almost every instance... the microwave, the toilet colour, the decor, the food. You're still acting as the rescuer... I might add that at this point it's about building life lines and bridges so rescuing will likely work... BUT, be conscious of it because you know how quickly you'll be slid across to perpetrator.

Regarding the weight loss... I have a different theory. Anxiety... She's on a pretty constant emotional rollercoaster. Whilst you were in the relationship YOU were also on the rollercoaster with her. Her point of reference was your emotions (definitely not her own)... Think that aeroplane that people go on to experience weightlessness, they aren't weightless, they are just falling with a reference point of the inside of the plane which is also plummeting to the ground at 120 meters per second. She looked at you, her point of reference and felt 'okay' about herself because she could blame you for absolutely everything. Since Dec she's been on her own, likely still experiencing the extreme ups and downs of her emotions, but she doesn't have anyone to project that pain onto. She's likely to have a heck of a lot of time to think about her own actions. One thing I have noted (and others) is that when pwBPD feel a bit sh!tty about themselves they start on their spouse or kids, when the spouse reacts they mysteriously flip to victim as though they've received a huge shot of Valium or something. I think it has something to do with achieving "I'm okay, he's the problem"... for the last 5m she hasn't had this. She's also been abandoned by all sorts of people she thought would come and rescue her.

Keep seeing in colour my friend. "You've got brand new eyes and you can finally see"...

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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2019, 10:34:04 AM »

Red, when will She get the results of her latest tests? Do you think she will truthfully share the results?

I'm would be concerned about the weight loss combined with the termination of treatment.
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2019, 10:57:14 PM »

So I got off early, went by Peir 1 Imports, the Brick Yard, and the Gun Store... phone rings... “hey Red, I bought S28 two shirts for his birthday... maybe for a date or just to dress up, do you have his physical address or do you just want to come by tomorrow and I’ll give you his birthday card and these shirts... I’ll wrap them up... I need your socket set to take apart this swing set in the back yard... I don’t need the fire ant killer I bought something else... Mom was supposed to bring me a pistol...’since’ I’m here alone... (Red5 hasn’t barely said hello, not a word in edgewise)... “no I didn’t call the “swap shop” on the talk radio about the swing set, I don’t want strangers coming here and seeing I’m living by myself... no I don’t want you to buy me a socket tool set...’you’ve promised’ to buy me lots of thing and you’ve not so I don’t want anything now for you...’just come over’ when you get off work and bring me your socket set and pick up S28’s birthday card and this present (shirts) I’m wrapping... see you tomorrow...  bye bye...

I think I said three words... and “I’ve never bought her anything”... smh... well what is she driving ?

A 2017 (bought brand new just for her) Grand Cherokee, 4x4 limited for starters... loaded... I pay the nfcu note, and the insurance... ok, guess that doesn’t count  !

What is all this... you will do this and that and the other... you never bought me anything... smh... really... “let it go, BPD”...

Red5 will do as he is told...

She goes back to the doctor next month (May) for more scans... there is a new term I’ve read about Gagrl... CACS... “cancer anarexia cechexia syndrome”... she showed me her feet and said they were swollen...’this is another sign”...’edema’ which is common in stage IV of cancer patients  : (

...’not good’,

I just want to cry...

OH’ my God... I’m going to lose her all over again... 

I’m going to let her “beat” on me... I’m going to just take it... I probably deserve it anyway...

Thank you for the video Enabler... it made me smile and as well cry... thank you Brother...

Yes empath... I think she is overwhelmed... 

Thanks for listening... Red5
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2019, 12:06:05 AM »

I asked because I was intimate with my sister's Stage IV breast cancer diagnosis and subsequent treatment. I remember when the third treatment regimen was stopped and certain physical manifestations began to appear. I will PM you tomorrow. There are some questions you should be asking.

For right now, are you named as next of kin for medical permissions and decisions if she is incapacitated? Or do her children or sisters have that power?
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2019, 12:47:43 AM »

My SIL had stage IV endometrial cancer, and I was pretty involved with her process, too. I agree with Gagrl that there are some things that you need to know - practically speaking.

If she gets a pistol, watch yourself... 

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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2019, 04:09:42 AM »

Some years back a friend pointed me in the direction of 'The Art of War' and said "You always need to give the enemy an escape route, else they will fight all the more for their survival."

Is it just me or do you think W is moving more and more towards a 'Poof' moment where you all forget about what's happened, you are trained to forget about her behaviour and life just continues as per usual? I even wonder whether or not she might make this a gracious move where she 'allows' you back into her heart, maintaining the narrative that you were the problem in the relationship, not her. I can imagine the C being pretty scary and her feeling pretty afraid and returning to some sense of stability/security would be appealing.

How would you feel if things returned to exactly the same as they were before she moved out?

Why do you feel it might be different this time?

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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2019, 10:13:26 PM »

I asked because I was intimate with my sister's Stage IV breast cancer diagnosis and subsequent treatment.

There are some questions you should be asking.

For right now, are you named as next of kin for medical permissions and decisions if she is incapacitated? Or do her children or sisters have that power?

Gagrl,

We had wills - POA - and as well the “health care agent” documents drawn up... all the end of life documents properly prepared... last August.

I haven’t changed anything... I have no idea if she has... we did not draw up any separation papers, NC requires a one year separation... so her documents mirror mine if she hasn’t changed them... if she has, I don’t know if I would have been notified... so who knows... her mum is “all about” these types of legalities... as she has now buried two husbands and her youngest Son.

So I don’t really know, as we are now “talking”, perhaps the validity of these documents should be asked about... which will ensure ensuing drama I’m sure...

BLUF, I’m still her husband, and I understand that responsibility even though we are now living apart... separated...

She has purchased a home, our finances are also “separated”... there are a few things that we “share” financially... the home I remain in (names on mortgage), and that boat that hasn’t been in the water in over a year now...

So I guess I need to know, if she has changed her personal documents... if she should become hospitalized... she is also fully covered under my insurance still, which is the right thing to do...

Lots to ponder... her daughter would be next in line after me as far as “health care agent”... which is also the “right thing”...

Foo sisters or mum... no,

Her Son would defer to his sister... whom is an RN,  by the way...

I do need to find out for sure, if she has changed her documents... so that proper protocols can be followed... should she begin to decend in her physical condition... further,

This is a very delicate... situation...

~empath...  I concur with what you’ve written as well...

~Enabler... yes you are correct...’there may be’... a “poof moment”... as this situation progresses to its conclusion... one thing I am understanding... she is very frail now... she is certainly not the same “Q” that moved out of here five months ago... and considering the dynamics of her Foo, and the history there... would any of them “take her in” if she came to a point of not being able to live alone anymore... I think that is a ‘no’...

And her children cannot drop their lives and come here to take care of her over a projected amount of time... no, I do feel that the responsibility would fall to me...

As far as things going back to the way things were... I don’t think so... it would be quite different... I would take on a full caretaker responsibility... even more so... we are now talking an ‘at home hospice’ type of thing...

My gut is telling me, that this is how things may play out... I may be quite wrong... but this is what my gut instinct is telling me right now...

The Foo will not ‘move her in’... and she won’t be going to Alabama or North Dakota to stay with either of her two adult children...  no... my gut says that it will be a “poof senario”... as you write about Enabler, should she come to a point of not being able to live alone in the home she has purchased...

She will come back home,here... and it will be me who takes care of her until _____ .

I’ve a long way to go yet... this is going to be very expensive for me...’emotionally’... I have to prepare myself mentally... spiritually for what is to come...

My role as her caretaker is only going to increase... and reconfigure...

I’ve a lot to consider... and to prepare myself to take on.

When this all started last November... I did go consult a lawyer... and she told me to change my will... my gut said... “don’t bother with that”... “it won’t be necessary at this time”... so I didn’t...

The fact that she has initiated contact again... and is saying the things she is... and considering her condition... and her dx, and the fact that five treatment regimes have not abated anything... it is what it is... there is no denial possible in regards...

I feel hollow inside... I’m crushed in my spirit... but I have to keep going...

I’ve been a caretaker for so long now... my son, my wife... I see no end to it...

I’ll see her again this Friday...

Thanks for listening...

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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2019, 11:05:11 PM »

And we will continue to listen, my friend...

There are a number of practicalities to consider. Hospice begins only when certain criteria are met (loss of appetite/refusal to eat, etc.). You might want to check into those criteria.

My father had hospice, and the hospice R.N.s are angels, I truly believe. They are trained to work as much with the family as with the hospice patient. They know.

My daughter-in-law is a L.M.T. And is further certified in medical massage from M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. She works one day a week with hospice patients. She says most of the benefit of hospice massage comes from simply providing touch to the patient -- most other touch is harsher treatment needs, while family is afraid to hurt or cause discomfory. So perhaps simply talking while holding is the best gift for now?
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