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« on: October 11, 2019, 02:34:07 AM »

Hi all.

Not much to say at other than.

Where is the line between a BPD person and their behaviour and reaction due to BPD and Emotional abuse? (even if that abuse it not intended)

Thank you again
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2019, 07:50:37 AM »

I'm not sure there is a line. Abuse is abuse. Was my H's treatment of me last year in large part due to his possible BPD/PTSD and poor emotional regulation? Yes. Was it still emotional/verbal abuse? Yes.

Could you give an example? That may help us address the question better.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2019, 08:27:04 AM »

It's difficult to say because so many emotions are going around I am very confused and struggling myself atm.

One situation would be..

I asked her what she would like to do tonight and she replied that she didn't know.. this went back and forth a few times as when deciding things, this frustrates her so I changed tack and gave her options..



If she would like A or Titans or C...  She still doesn't know, still getting frustrated(she struggles with choosing) she says that I should choose

I have struggling atm with uspeting her so I am scared of picking the wrong thing... I have suggesting she should watch Titans for a while now so I said why don't we watch an episode and if she doesn't like it go on the Xbox together..

So put titans on and immediately she is visible angry, and ignoring me... recently this causes me to panic and I start trying to work out if she is angry and I start to stutter and ask question and offer to turn it off and she snaps "no" and I feel trapped... In the moment... putting it on was wrong and now turning it off is aswell..

I was trying to keep quiet because went but I'm panicking more so I pause it and say that she obviously isn't happy so we can turn it off...

This makes her angry and she shouts that she has to watch it because i have never shut up about it so she has no choice as I just keep pushing. That she has told me that she didn't want to watch it before (i don't remember this conversation) and I obviously don't care...

I'm not sure but I'm thinking this may have been the first time I mentioned it as a suggestion by me "do you want to watch this tonight" and her saying no, which from my perspective was a throwaway suggestion/reply,

what she means by pushing and never shouting up about it is, I mention it every know and again over the course of a few months that we should watch it because she would like it

Now In argument mode I say why could she just say no to me when I asked and she became angry that she couldnt and I should have realised that she was angry about watching it and not put it on..

Anyway the whole thing escalated into a circular argument involving it being all my fault and and how I force her to do things ending with her telling me that she thinks in too nice for her and that she was happier with her abusive ex and she needs an ass hole who tells her what to do to be happy...

So in summary...

I asked what she wanted and was told to choose

I chose and it made her angry so I panicked (I turn into a stuttery mess)

What I chose was wrong and I forced her to watch it as I haven't shut up and didn't give her a choice.

Escalating and then becoming my fault because I should have left when she got angry and it's my fault that it all ealscalated.

Ending with accusation of forcing her to do things but simulatiously being too nice fore her and she wants and "alpha male" who tells her what to do..

Obviously alot more was said but in the back and forth it's all a bit of a blur... But I follows a similar theme

Im just confused... Was I wrong, was she unfair, is this gaslighting or just confusion between us..

Sorry for the long one took longer to say than I thought


Ps would like to say that I honestly didnt care what we did I just wanted her to be happy.

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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2019, 09:15:51 AM »

I've been there. When he's in a certain mood, my uBPDh also has a great deal of trouble making choices. I, too, would get panicky and desperate, trying to make a choice that wouldn't upset him more. And, yes, the situation would just get worse.

For pwBPD, emotions tend to be out-sized. Also, feelings=facts. If they feels something, then they will twist the facts to match. So, if she felt pressured about the show, in her mind, she believes you ALWAYS mention it. Is she lying? No. She probably genuinely believes that you always push it.

The key for me -- and what will probably help you -- was to work on myself and my reactions. You can't control her. But you can control yourself. It sounds to me like you're so tied to and dependent on her emotional state that your own thoughts and emotions are in a whirlwind. Again, I've been there. If you can disentangle yourself from her, it may very well lessen the number and intensity of these episodes. Even if it doesn't, YOU will be stronger and better able to function.

How do you do this? It's not easy. You need to start recognizing what's yours and what's hers. Her feelings are hers. Your feelings are yours. When I started reminding myself of that and focusing on staying calm, it really started to improve things. If I choose something he's unhappy with, he may sulk, but eventually he gets over it and -- up-side -- I enjoy the food or show or whatever it is that I want.

You know she has trouble choosing. Pushing and pleading with her isn't working, is it? What could you do instead? (And keep in mind if you change the pattern, she may react negatively at first. Long-term, though, it can lead to positive change.)

The two of you are getting caught in this pattern and circular arguments. She's probably not going to break that pattern so it's up to you.

To help, you might want to read this article about setting boundaries:
https://bpdfamily.com/content/setting-boundaries

I'm sure others wiser and more experienced than I am can pitch in and help!
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