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« on: March 14, 2020, 05:49:13 AM »

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uBPD brother constantly lies to everyone about me and uses his manipulation to make people believe him! After years of sibling abuse towards me, after years of phoning helplines, after years of pain and thoughts of just 'ending me', my uBPD brother claims we have something in common, what lies? So an abuser is saying he has something in common with his victim! Several years of abuse I have suffered and this abuser thinks I have something in common? I'm literally crying, what an evil emotional manipulator! I refuse to believe his disgusting lies. I prefer to distance myself away from this uBPD brother. Creepy brother he is! Just because I am doing my own thing in my life, this jealous uBPD brother is making up things.

Do you have pathological liar siblings? Are BPD sufferers pathological liars?
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2020, 12:25:02 PM »

Yes, I have pathological liar siblings, and my heart hurts for you knowing you have a brother that smears you behind your back. My own anger and hurt stem from how I could be so naive in not seeing that my siblings have been smearing me behind my back for years. I often wondered why certain family members liked me, than all of sudden liked my siblings and not me, when I had done nothing wrong. A few years ago, I caught my sister telling a family member we barely know all kinds of lies about me. I have learned that you can't just let the lies stand as many people tend to believe what they hear, though others don't. Do give other people your side of the story. You might want to read some of Bill Eddy's advice about negative advocates who advocate for the person with the personality disorder until they hear the other side of the story. In the meantime, can you somehow limit how much your brother actually knows about your life as this can help in being less affected by him? I too have cried a lot about the abuse that I have suffered at the hands of my siblings. I find it helps to focus on the sorrow I feel and not the anger, as I then feel more compassion for myself and am more able to not take so personally the cruel behaviors of my siblings with BPD. What helps you to feel better? Can you tell us more about the kind of person you are and what you are most proud of?
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2020, 12:44:09 PM »

I am sorry you are experiencing so much. My heart goes out to you. I dont have any siblings but my mother suffers from BPD. She also lies about me. Recently I heard that she had been telling lies about my husband to some friends of mine and I felt deeply embarrassed and angry. She also uses the blood relation. She would tell me "I have raised you since you were one cell. I am your creator!" Can you believe that?

It has helped me to realize that BPDs really live in the borderland between reality and sanity. But to them both seem real. They cant tell reality apart from their imaginations. Since I have realized that (it took a long time to accept it though), I realize that when she does say these lies, they are not about me but a reflection of her disorder. I dont even have to try and prove otherwise to her because that is nearly impossible. Also I realized that the friends and relatives who hear such lies, usually have been able to sense that something is off with my mother and they dont pressure me about her. Having said that, there are plenty of people who do try to "mend" my relationship with her. But I have notiecd that the more I value myself and accept my fundamental worth as a person, the less it matters to me what these people say.

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2020, 02:54:33 PM »

I find it helps to focus on the sorrow I feel and not the anger, as I then feel more compassion for myself and am more able to not take so personally the cruel behaviors of my siblings with BPD. What helps you to feel better? Can you tell us more about the kind of person you are and what you are most proud of?

Yes focusing on the sorrow helps. I spoke to my doctor and he told me to focus on the sorrow too, not the anger.

The kind of person I am...well since I have always been an abuse victim, I have always supported anti-bullying and the #metoo movement. My brother has a problem with females having rights and females being independent so I get called derogatory names.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2020, 03:20:21 PM »

I am so sorry this has happened to you. It is very sad. My mom is the bpd, but my brother is the gc. He has a mild form of some personality disorder, being a sociopath I think

My mom is a handful as is my brother. My brother has stolen small items from my room growing up. He’s lied and gaslighted me. It’s totally crazy making.

I am glad you are focusing on the sorrow and not the anger. That’s a new tool to me & I will use that. Thanks so much for bringing that up!

Stargazer, you are spot on with your observation about a bpd straddling the border between sanity and insanity. It’s given me a new perspective on how to approach my FOO. I tried so many times to explain to mom & enabling dad that mom had issues to work on in therapy. I would be goaded and put down. I became angry and screamed at them out of frustration.

That’s not the way for me to live a fulfilling life. It holds me back.

The reality is I didn’t cause it and can’t cure it by rationalizing with them. It makes me look & feel crazy.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2020, 08:40:20 PM »

Hi shield-meWelcome new member (click to insert in post)

I haven't welcomed you to our online family yet. So glad you found us!

I can hear your deep frustration and want you to know that you're not alone. You'll find a lot of strong support and care here on this board to help you through your journey with your pwBPD. My mom was an uBPD, and we share the same frustration in dealing with our family member and the struggle to cope with the way we are/have been treated.

I've found the aspect of the lies to be so frustrating. The problem is that they believe what they say as truth. Several of the other posters mentioned this too, and I would totally agree. I have struggled so much when this has been directed towards me, because it has become a "definition" of who I am both in my mind and in theirs. When I began to realize what they were doing, I worked hard at not letting them have the power to say who I am any more.

In the example you gave, your sibling said that you had things in common with him, and I hear that you really don't want anything in common with him. My uBPDm frequently said we were just alike, the same, with her being the only one in existence, not me. Unfortunately this is a really common trait seen in a pwBPD.

I had to look at the facts rather than the emotions this brought up in me. I am NOT my mom; I am an individual, and I choose to be healthy emotionally. You are also free to chose this and believe it. What your sibling says doesn't define who you are. What he believes doesn't need to be what you believe or accept about yourself.

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2020, 09:04:31 AM »

I'm so sorry to hear this is happening. Family using the "family tie" for manipulation is a terrible thing. They treat it like a perpetual get out of jail free card.

A friend said to me the other day "I'd argue that people who treat you the way they do aren't family". Try to keep that in mind...

So an amusing anecdote about "blood is thicker than water", one I remind myself a lot since my family loves that phrase too... The origin doesn't mean what we all think it means. In the original phrase, "blood" referred to blood shed in battle that forges strong bonds with fellow soldiers. "Water" is water from the womb. We all have it backwards now! So whenever I hear that from my family, I just think to myself, "Exactly!".
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2020, 12:21:09 PM »

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It has helped me to realize that BPDs really live in the borderland between reality and sanity. But to them both seem real. They cant tell reality apart from their imaginations. Since I have realized that (it took a long time to accept it though), I realize that when she does say these lies, they are not about me but a reflection of her disorder.

So well said Stargazer.  My uBPD mom has an active imagination that is built around the negative.  Some years ago, her BF was travelling to his hometown, and visiting old friends and family.  She imagined some scenario where he was visiting a "woman", and the next thing I new, he had bought her a "ring".  My mom was beside herself and experiencing an "overtime dysregulation".  That was about 12 years ago, and H and I believed everything she told us, because we didn't know any better, and had no knowledge or understanding of BPD.  She manipulated us into having a "talk" with him when he got back into our town (we were on more of a fact finding mission), but when he heard us tell him mom had said he was having an "affair", the whole thing blew up and he blamed us.  I don't blame the poor guy for reacting, but he shot the messengers.  Then mom blamed us too because he got angry, and she immediately got back together with him.  It was craziness.  From my experience, this is an example of how the BPD lives in a "borderline" zone of reality and non-reality".  The non-reality is their own imagination, but once they have imagined or "thought" something, it becomes a fact for them, and it is indeed very VERY real to them.  Any conversation to point out the contrary via JADEing, will only add to the toxic drama.  Does this example of confusing imagination with reality make any sense with your situation Shield Me?  Also, the BPD's sense of self-hatred is probably why they project nasty lies onto you.  Here's a link to projection:
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=70931.0

I have learned (am still learning but getting better at it) to let my uBPD mom live her own life, and make all her own mistakes, and sort out all her own problems.    She tells untruths about H and I too (we can tell by how one of her friends stiffens up when we come to the door at the same as the friend is there).  A person just "feels" this by how other people react to you right, because they are judging you based on the info they got fed from the BPD?

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I I have learned that you can't just let the lies stand as many people tend to believe what they hear, though others don't. Do give other people your side of the story.
I think this is OK to use where you have caught your brother in a red handed lie (speaking only to the persons he told the lie to), but I would clarify by adding  "only in terms of gentle self-advocation", and without mentioning anything about the actual BPD.  After that, I would avoid triangulation, which could get messy.  

I once posted the question "do BPD's have a conscience?" in relation to all the lies they tell?  Didn't really get a lot of responses to that, but did some online research of my own.  What I gleaned from my reading is that everything they say is truth because they FEEL it (emotion).  BPD is a disease of emotional dysregulation and that's why generally only their "closest" relationships are affected by the disease.  To the outside world, they are perfectly normal, which leaves us feeling helpless and alone.  But since their feelings are their truths, they have nothing to apologise for, and therefore a clean conscience.  That is my own interpretation from my research. Maybe others would have different interpretations.  Not sure if this helps put any meaning or understanding to your brother's behavior.

I have  been "social distancing" myself from my mother for a lot longer than I have from Covid 19.  It helps to keep me healthier, if I distance myself from both of them.

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What your sibling says doesn't define who you are. What he believes doesn't need to be what you believe or accept about yourself.
 
I like this from Woolspinner.  I find it better to look after myself by doing healthy things like eating well, getting physical activity, spending time around friends and positive people, enjoying hobbies and work/volunteering, than getting stuck on the mouse wheel of ruminating on the negativity our BPD brings into our life.  When an event happens, I just try to distract myself with healthy activities, but it's really really really hard, because the BPD makes it so personal right, and they are so  Cursing - won't cause site restrictions at Starbucks (click to insert in post) frustrating.  What matters most is that you know and believe you are a good person, and you DON'T believe the lies your brother is spreading about you.  They aren't worth giving them any time to think about right?

You're right when you say "blood is thicker than water" is a lie, with BPD's in the family.  I believe every "rule" has an exception eg. "i" before "e" except after "c".  

Hang in there Shield Me and try to find ways to look after yourself.  
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2020, 12:12:00 PM »

Thank you everyone
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2020, 09:04:53 AM »

Hi shield-me. I am brand new to this forum and this my first post so I apologize for dragging you back into it.  But I thought this might help.  The full quote is "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb".  Meaning, bonds forged (in battle, friends, etc.) are stronger than parental bonds.  Remembering this helps me and I thought it might help you Smiling (click to insert in post)
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