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« on: August 24, 2021, 01:12:56 AM »

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Having lived with and loved my pwBPD fiancé for the last 6 years, I am learning slowly how to be comforting and react appropriately while at the same time asserting my independence as an adult.

I’m not the best at doing laundry and she had long ago refused to do mine.   So it builds until I need to do it.   Tonight I went to do laundry and we are out of detergent.   There is enough to do about 3/4 of 1 load.   I told her we are out- she insisted that I am pouring it wrong and complaining about nothing.   She came in (to prove me wrong) and found that we are, indeed, out of detergent.   I said I’ll just go and buy some.   She said she would order on Amazon.   (Context: she seems to have trouble buying things when she says she will- simple things).   So I insisted that I just go and buy detergent.   She told me that I should suffer the consequences of not doing laundry enough and earlier and I can wait.   She often tries to act in a parent/child mode and I honestly am sick of being treated as though I can’t make adult decisions like this without her authorization.

She refused and tried blocking me from leaving.   I told her that if she doesn’t let me leave the house I will call the police.    Eventually, I left the house- why should I be held to her insistence that she control whether I do laundry?  After she told me that I was a monster and she can’t live with me, I texted back that I will find a new place to live.

I drove and went to a gas station.   I cooled down a lot and came to my senses- while I know that her response was WAY overblown and controlling, I also recognize that I was wrong- I COULD do a few days laundry and see about whether she ordered new detergent.   

So I texted to her that I was wrong.  I apologized.   And told her I’m buying gas and coming home.   She, in return, told me that she threw my laundry downstairs to the front door.   Insisted that I wasn’t allowed to do laundry at home anymore.   

I got home to my laundry basket in a mess at the door.   She is locked in her room.    She told me that she can’t trust me anymore- that no one including my family wants to be near me.   She often tries gaslighting me about all this stuff.

She involuntarily ruined her birthday yesterday by blowing up at me about something I still don’t know the trigger.   

She often seems to think things internally to herself and believe that she said it out loud to me.   So when she’s upset about something, she mumbles it and then yells at me to open my ears when I tell her I didn’t hear her.   Such was the case yesterday,   And when I react like a normal human would to an angry rage, I am labeled a monster that likes to ruin her life.

So now, despite my non-responses of “ok” and validating her feelings, she is blowing up my phone with texts about how I’m a narcissist monster; that shes leaving, that I try to fool everyone about how I treat her- that I’m a jerk, pick your insult.

I really have no plan to fight her if she leaves me.   She has no job for the last 6 years- I financially support her.   She thinks that I do that to hold it over her head somehow- although I have told her that if she wants to work- I applaud it- even if it starts out part time. 

She has a car- although it has been in disrepair for quite a while.   For a long time my car was out of commission (about a year) so I had driven hers to work- and things happened like needing new struts and ball joints and tires- so her opinion is (despite that it’s 15 years old) I RUINED her car because it was working fine before I drove it.   

This is a tangent filled mess.   I realize that.   I also realize that I am not perfect with anger and like anyone else, I have my flaws.   But apparently, I have ruined her life.   

Please HELP!

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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2021, 05:38:08 AM »

Wow Boogie 74, that sounds like a really rough evening. I'm sorry you've had to experience this. I can tell you it sounds pretty similar to the things I've been through. In my case, the police were actually called on me and I was physically wrestled with to prevent me from leaving.

She refused and tried blocking me from leaving.   I told her that if she doesn’t let me leave the house I will call the police.    Eventually, I left the house- why should I be held to her insistence that she control whether I do laundry?  After she told me that I was a monster and she can’t live with me, I texted back that I will find a new place to live.

I drove and went to a gas station.   I cooled down a lot and came to my senses- while I know that her response was WAY overblown and controlling, I also recognize that I was wrong- I COULD do a few days laundry and see about whether she ordered new detergent.   

So I texted to her that I was wrong.  I apologized.   And told her I’m buying gas and coming home.   She, in return, told me that she threw my laundry downstairs to the front door.   Insisted that I wasn’t allowed to do laundry at home anymore.   

I got home to my laundry basket in a mess at the door.   She is locked in her room.    She told me that she can’t trust me anymore- that no one including my family wants to be near me.   She often tries gaslighting me about all this stuff.

I don't think you were wrong for wanting to go to the store to get laundry detergent. This seems like appropriate behavior for the situation. What was her reason for not wanting you to go to the store? It seems like it could be related to fear of abandonment. In my therapy session last night, my therapist said, "Try not to listen to the blame, instead, listen to the pain." He's totally right. I'm sure if you had been able to hear through all of the non-sense, somewhere in her rage, she gave you a glimpse of, "Please don't leave me." If you can find it, then you can try to use validating responses. I won't front. It's very hard to do in practice and I'm personally not very good at it.

She involuntarily ruined her birthday yesterday by blowing up at me about something I still don’t know the trigger.   
Birthdays are very triggering for BPDs. From my experience, I think they tend to stir up a lot of childhood trauma. My ex actually shared her birthday with her deceased mother. This made it a particularly painful day for her. Chances are you will never fully understand the trigger. If you could go through a time machine to every birthday she had growing up, you could probably find the one that caused the dysregulation yesterday. Then it would make sense to you. Chances are she's still reeling from the dysregulation, related to the birthday and that was what the fight about laundry really was.


She often seems to think things internally to herself and believe that she said it out loud to me.   So when she’s upset about something, she mumbles it and then yells at me to open my ears when I tell her I didn’t hear her.   Such was the case yesterday,   And when I react like a normal human would to an angry rage, I am labeled a monster that likes to ruin her life.

Yep. You will need to learn to manage your reactions, and speak in calm soothing voice during the dysregulations. It's the opposite of every natural instinct a human possesses. It's very difficult to actually do successfully. I recorded a fight recently and can hear how even though I'm not screaming, my tone of voice is escalating the situation. Try to record a dysregulation with your phone in the pocket and review it later. You'll be able to hear your mistakes. Don't ever let her know you're doing it of course...

So now, despite my non-responses of “ok” and validating her feelings, she is blowing up my phone with texts about how I’m a narcissist monster; that shes leaving, that I try to fool everyone about how I treat her- that I’m a jerk, pick your insult.

Yeah, I've read similar phrases so many times. I just don't respond to them.


I really have no plan to fight her if she leaves me.   She has no job for the last 6 years- I financially support her.   She thinks that I do that to hold it over her head somehow- although I have told her that if she wants to work- I applaud it- even if it starts out part time. 

She has a car- although it has been in disrepair for quite a while.   For a long time my car was out of commission (about a year) so I had driven hers to work- and things happened like needing new struts and ball joints and tires- so her opinion is (despite that it’s 15 years old) I RUINED her car because it was working fine before I drove it.   

What are the good things about the relationship that make it worthwhile to try to hold onto her? There must be good moments, right?

This is a tangent filled mess.   I realize that.   I also realize that I am not perfect with anger and like anyone else, I have my flaws.   But apparently, I have ruined her life.   

Please HELP!

I have heard, "You ruined my life." In just about every major game changing argument we ever had. She used this as a guilt trip to get me to stay. It's manipulation pure and simple. For example, "I have no friends anymore, you ruined my life." There was always a shimmer of reality to it. Her roommate/tenant with her own serious issues didn't like me and my presence in the house caused conflict. In hindsight it, actually wasn't really my fault... However, it was a catalyst for me to feel guilty and move in with her. Ultimately, I fell for it every time, until the last time where I finally did leave her and stuck with it.

Don't fall for, "You ruined my life." As adults we are all responsible for our own actions and decisions. If she is dissatisfied with the direction her life has taken, it is up to her to change it. That is not your responsibility.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2021, 08:41:37 AM »

Her reasoning for me not going to get the detergent was because she would order it and I shouldn’t get it- seemingly to mean that she would do it and I shouldn’t bother.   But her angry response sounds like she didn’t want me taking that control out of her hands of the purchase.   She very often tells me that she believes that I can’t be trusted with buying things.

Oddly, on a side note she hates me having cash.   Don’t get me wrong, I hold an active debit card and an open credit card and strangely don’t have a spending problem with those- nor do I take out crazy cash amounts from an atm.   

She DOES have two conflicting problems with buying things- 1.   She can’t control her shopping desires- she will spend hours and hours on Amazon forming shopping carts and wish lists.   2.   She has an intense problem making buying decisions.   She has had problems deciding what to order for food and drink at a restaurant.    She took about 3 months to “research” and find the best vacuum cleaner.    Imagine spending that kind of time making pages and pages of lists of “the best vacuum for pets” and analyzing them.   In the end of all that, she decided we can just buy a new handle and hose for the one that had broken.    All ignoring my (what had to be obvious) growing annoyance - it’s JUST A VACUUM!  Buy one- it’s maybe $250- we will live with it.  We have been also trying to buy a new couch- but she won’t commit to that either.   Forget about a wedding venue!  So despite her compulsive buying problem, her problem making buying decisions is actually an effective coping mechanism to prevent bankruptcy.

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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2021, 09:23:35 AM »

Is she the one who usually buys the detergent and keeps it stocked?

I ask because when you found out that the detergent supply was low, you went to her about it. She may have perceived this as criticism of her. Pwbpd consistently scan their environment for perceived rejection and evidence that someone else thinks they are as bad as they, deep down, feel and believe they are.

You may have said "hey, I was about to do laundry and we're low on detergent " (or something similar). She probably heard this as "YOU let us get low on detergent. YOU are irresponsible. YOU didn't do what you are supposed to do". Cue toxic shame which must then be defended against vehemently by the ingrained mechanism of shifting the negative attention to the other person's behavior.

She perceived herself as victim, and you as persecutor. She then tried to save face (image) by solving the problem "I will order some". You rejected her solution: "I will just go buy some", which deprived her of her face-saving opportunity and made her feel rejected as a person of worth and value due to her black/white, all good/all bad thinking.

She probably didn't want you to leave because she was left alone feeling rejected, shamed, criticized, and persecuted, and lashed out at you for "causing" her to feel that way.

And yes, it's likely that she was still in a bad place emotionally from whatever her birthday may have triggered for her.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2021, 09:43:59 AM »

I only WISH that I could somehow comfort that pain she has.   I know- I can’t control it or cure it and I sure as hell didn’t cause it.  But I also can’t be expected to coddle every fear she has when I don’t know that it even exists at the time it’s happening.

It makes a lot of sense to break it down that way.   But do I stop asserting my equality as an adult that’s perfectly able to make simple decisions and actions to live our lives?  Is it necessary to live in “reactive mode” and allow her to control every tiny detail of our lives?
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2021, 12:57:02 PM »

But do I stop asserting my equality as an adult that’s perfectly able to make simple decisions and actions to live our lives?  Is it necessary to live in “reactive mode” and allow her to control every tiny detail of our lives?

How would you answer the above questions?

If you could re-live the laundry episode, what would you do differently?
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2021, 01:29:21 PM »

How would you answer the above questions?

If you could re-live the laundry episode, what would you do differently?

Not sure how to answer those questions.   If I could turn back time I would have taken time to freeze and analyze things and accept her offer to order more detergent.   However, her active works to escalate the situation at all costs would be rough to do nothing about.

I have gotten pretty good at simply ignoring her rants and attempts to argue.   Especially if I tell her, you are right.  I was wrong and I’m sorry.   I leave it at that and don’t even engage in the argument.   She gets very upset at both my lack of engagement, but (I believe) her own escalation.    I think she loses touch with reality in these situations and imagines responses that I may have said in the past to different situations.   “You ALWAYS SAY SORRY AND DONT CHANGE!”

Interesting thing I’ve noticed- she calls ME a Jekyll and Hyde monster.   I know that without serious therapy, she will never understand that her perception of me being Jekyll and Hyde is her personal splitting and suffering from Pedestal/Devil perceptions.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2021, 01:41:31 PM »

In what ways does apologizing help and how does it undermine you?
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2021, 01:45:24 PM »

In what ways does apologizing help and how does it undermine you?

It doesn’t help- but not apologizing seems to be worse.   
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2021, 11:02:40 AM »

Many of your posts parallel my experience with my BPDw.

Lately I have been working really hard at not invalidating, with very good results.  For now I've stopped trying to validate as it often backfires.

One thing that took me a long time to learn is that saying something positive is often invalidating to a pwBPD.  If your fiance tells you that you don't love her, and you immediately respond that you do in fact love her... you are invalidating the feeling that she is feeling at that moment.  The feeling of the moment is the only thing that matters during dysregulation.  FormFlier recommended that "less is more" when dealing with pwBPD, this helped me and it seems like you've already figured this out.

Someone else translated one of our conversations... that helped a lot as well.  When my BPDw tells me she wants a divorce, she is really saying - I'm in pain and I want you to feel as miserable as I am.  Reframing the words into her feelings instead helps me to take things less personally and deal with the real issue and not the excuse (detergent).

With my BPDw, her dysregulation lasts anywhere from 5 minutes to 5 days.  It is after the dysregulation settles that I am able to assert my equality as an adult.

I've read that pwBPD don't ever surpass the toddler phase of dealing with emotional dysregulation.  If you have spent time with a 2-4 year old, how effective would it be to assert yourself against their tantrum?

This is REALLY hard work.  I make mistakes daily...  I learn daily, and am so grateful for this wonderful community.
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